Save your money use ECA Stack
- 05-12-2009, 02:27 AM
- 05-12-2009, 02:38 AM
- 05-12-2009, 02:59 AM
Good shout above!
Ive always taken green tea with the EC(Y) stack.
Being honest i only knew the surface of the science behind it but that nice little study has made me feel smug lol.
05-12-2009, 07:32 AM
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
"I" am saying don't waste your time with aspirin.
05-12-2009, 10:08 AM
05-12-2009, 10:12 AM
If you must use E and Y together I would use E/Y/G. You don't need C as Green Tea Extract has C.
GTE is a COMT inhibitor. This means it inhibits the downregulation of the stimulants. So it inversely increases the duration of their effects.
05-12-2009, 10:34 AM
05-12-2009, 11:10 AM
05-12-2009, 11:15 AM
I'm not saying throw out the Y. E targets beta receptors and Y targets alpha receptors. If you have adipose that is either, or, then use either, or, accordingly.
05-12-2009, 11:37 AM
I started Aspirin today (81mg) tomorrow I will increase the dose to 2x a day for a week or two, then 3x a day for a week, being that its baby Aspirin, and Im a big guy, how do you think I should dose it?
05-12-2009, 02:23 PM
just got from my WO...felt so drained it was hard to do cardio, inclined walking, I dont know why
05-12-2009, 02:25 PM
05-12-2009, 02:27 PM
I wish NP would carry 12.5mg ephedrine caps.
The Historic PES Legend
05-12-2009, 02:30 PM
05-12-2009, 02:33 PM
The Historic PES Legend
05-12-2009, 02:39 PM
05-12-2009, 02:42 PM
05-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Adams he was talking about the green tea post WO not the E lol
05-12-2009, 03:20 PM
05-12-2009, 03:33 PM
It may have been because of something I read, it could be because it was a convenient time to add into my shakes (not a good idea to use it too late because of the caffeine), it may be because I take it with dext/malto at that time so it might be absorbed faster.
05-12-2009, 03:35 PM
There are many studies done at countless universities that used aspirin in there testing.
it blocks Prostaglandin in the cycle for thermogenesis.
here is a picture from 1993 that was used in a study.ECA has been tested for up to 24 weeks and it showed that it kept on increasing ne while increasing the camp cycle.Where not taking about receptor downregulation,with eca you can get used to the stim affect after a week but there thermogenisis lasts for over 6 months.The aspirin plays a huge role in that.
An additional claim made by proponents of ECA-induced weight loss is that the thermogenic effects are
limited to fat catabolism, and that there is no protein catabolism, increased heart rate, or tremors which are
associated with other sympathetic stimulation. One hypothesis is that the main stimulation by ephedrine is
through beta2- and beta3-adrenergic receptor subtypes (2, 7), both of which are predominantly responsible
for lipolysis and protein synthesis, but are not associated with cardiovascular and central nervous system
effects mediated by beta1-receptor (2). Tolerance rapidly develops to the effects of ephedrine on heart rate,
but does not develop to the thermogenic effects (2, 8-12), suggesting that different mechanisms are
responsible for these different effects, and that ephedrine has longer-acting effects on thermogenesis.
The third component of the ECA combination, aspirin, enhances the peripheral actions of ephedrine and
caffeine by inhibiting prostaglandin (PG) synthesis. PGs, like adenosine, have been implicated in inhibiting
NE release from the post-synaptic nerve terminal, and in inhibiting the lipolytic actions of sympathetic
stimulants (2). However, these effects have been limited to only one study, and more experiments must be
performed before this effect can be conclusively linked to aspirin.
In summary, the effects of ephedrine, caffeine, and aspirin in rat brown adipose tissue involve a significant
central component of increased NE release, and a contributing peripheral part that has direct action on the
target tissue. These peripheral actions act to directly increase stimulation of beta-adrenergic receptors
(especially the beta2- and beta3-subtypes), to inhibit the regulatory mechanisms of negative feedback by
adenosine and PGs extracellularly, and to inhibit the destruction of cAMP by PDE intracellularly. This
overall scheme is depicted in Figure 1.
05-12-2009, 04:35 PM
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05-12-2009, 05:53 PM
uuhhggg. forget about the aspirin already
05-12-2009, 06:17 PM
i would just take one aspirin a day at most, some people recommend one every 2 days to avoid stomach problems.
i bought some white willow bark, supposedly the active ingredient in aspirin is a derivative of it so u can take it without stomach problems.
ive been wondering myself about dosing ecay. everyone always has u do ecy or eca but never all 4. i tried it this morning but im thinking of just taking the aspirin once a day in the morning and dropping the y for that dose if necessary.
as far as gte is concerned, i tried using that to replace my caffeine for a couple doses but just felt like i got less caffeine. maybe it needs to add up or something, im sure other people know better than me about it. its almost as cheap as the c so im gonna use it when i run out.
i have an abundance of random stims so im trying to see what would work with it safely. i was thinking of tossing in some geranium extract but that may be overkill
05-12-2009, 06:24 PM
Such a headache from all the compelling arguements - i'm either going to go ECA or EGA
05-12-2009, 06:55 PM
Yohimbe is not recomended because when mixed with eca it makes a really hard stimulant effect,that is the reason why norepedrine caf/asprin was made up because nor ephedrine is much less potant as a stim as ephedrine.
Your best bet is to use topical yohimbe an our or two before cardio.
the ephedrine and caf dont make you lose weight,the adrenalin your body pumps out when taking them is and asprin will make your body make more adrenalin and keep it from tapping down after a few days.
people go ahead and try it without aspirin,you will see what I mean once you add it after and you dont even need to wait a few days just add it after 5 days on ec and see how hard it will hit with the added aspirin.
I can find many articles on eca testing,there is scientific proof that it works,why try and recreate the wheel?
its called eca stack for a reason lol.
Ohh and be ready to want to puke all day if you add green tea and yohimbe to that stack.
05-12-2009, 10:19 PM
05-12-2009, 10:23 PM
05-12-2009, 11:37 PM
ok ok, Im just going to do ECA for a few weeks then go back to ECY...
05-13-2009, 12:25 AM
just start off slow i guess? im not really an expert either, just learning from playing with different doses and compounds so if anyone knows any actual info why eca with green tea/ yohimbine may be bad itd be appreciated
05-13-2009, 01:51 AM
BEST PLACE TO GET THE EC I CAN GET THE ASPIRIN MYSELF LINKS PLEASE LINKS
05-13-2009, 02:48 AM
05-13-2009, 03:16 AM
I cant take yohimbine I did two stacks of it; although it worked the sides are too much for me. shivering, nausea, too many sides
its really no set way to do this
you can do
do what you think works best for you. it may take some expirementing. and remember every body is different so just dont take what works on someones else's word because that what works for them.
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