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  1. I think a NO product would be fine.. it won't interfer with the stack i wouldn't think and probably give you a nice boost preworkout.. If you are cutting you may wanna avoid the creatine "puffyness" but NO should be fine.

    Has anyone done pseudoephedrine instead of ephedrine?


  2. well it looks like the only avenue available to me so i'll give it a crack and let you know
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  3. Ive decided not to take a NO product, due to the high amounts of stims, mainly caffeine, but I am taking AEX by VPX, it solely composed of Arginine, Cnidium Monnier, L-Nor Valine, Folic Acid

  4. ive been on ecy for a couple weeks. ive also been taking jacked. at first i would drop the caffeine and just do e and y with a scoop but i think i built up a tolerance quick. im taking ecy 4 times a day with a normal dose of no2 and not noticing much. id say if u lower ur caffeine intake i dont see it as much of a problem. or just skip one dose of eca altogether and use ur no2.

  5. if ur really worried maybe just take some arganine aakg or something with bcaas.on second look it seems like what ur taking is essentially that.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by faaipdeoiad View Post
    if ur really worried maybe just take some arganine aakg or something with bcaas.on second look it seems like what ur taking is essentially that.
    basically it is, so im just going to keep it up. how has the progress been on your cut? i know you told me your cardio, but hows your diet look?

  7. While using ECY at quite high doses I'd not mess with any sort of stims, but I always threw my daily Neovar in.

    So don't know, I don't think you need the stim out of an NO, but you could certainly use a nice creatine product.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    basically it is, so im just going to keep it up. how has the progress been on your cut? i know you told me your cardio, but hows your diet look?
    ive been cutting for a good couple of months now. overall progress has been pretty good, lost alot of bf but a bit of muscle too. i was on dcp/geranium/recreate before the ecy and to be honest i noticed more from that which surprised me. ive been doing ecy for about 2 weeks and i think im making a little progress but not at the rate i expected. im gonna keep it up for 2 more weeks then increase calories for a bit.

    im down to about 190, im eating an average of 2700 cals a day. (doing low intensity cardio every morning, lifting 5 times a week w/ hiit on non lift days). i was implementing a form of carb cycling but ive gotten a bit less strict with it. on my off days i keep it at about 50g carbs, high days 250-300 (1-2 a week) and the rest at about 100-150 carbs. Im aiming for higher protein now since i started losing size so about 300-350g. rest is fats.

    i primarily just eat fruits for carbs, with occasional oats/grain bread. berries seem to be a wonder for me since they fill me up and taste delicious with so little carb content. i blend them into all my shakes with sugarfree soymilk and peanut butter and protein powder. i found this to be a good way of staying full/ quickly eating healthy. aside from that i stick to beef/chicken/turkey with occasional fish. vegetables (primarily celery and spinach and onions) and tons of almonds. let me know if u need any more specifics, i usually just grill whatever meat i can find with some vegetables and fruit in the morning/pre/postworkout.

    im thinking im stalling just because ive been cutting for so long and i might just need a break. i love having abs again though. also my tolerance to stims is beginning to scare me. i can sleep pretty soon after taking 25mg ephedra, 10mg yohimbine and 200 caffine whereas before id be up all night. i love the effects of ephedra though even if i dont notice the fatburning as much.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    While using ECY at quite high doses I'd not mess with any sort of stims, but I always threw my daily Neovar in.

    So don't know, I don't think you need the stim out of an NO, but you could certainly use a nice creatine product.
    ive been wondering about that. ive always been told to use creatine while cutting but imo i dont notice much from them. i have a couple tubs of green mag/ cell mass. i guess i could give it a shot. it would give me a break from no for a bit
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    Any opinions on this product?

    Mahuang (10% extract for 10mg of ephedra alkaloids) 100mg
    Norephedrine 40mg
    Kola Nut 20mg
    Caffeine USP 200mg
    Taurine 130mg
    Boswellia 250mg
    Ginger Root 100mg
    Chromium Picolinate 1mg
    Pantothenic Acid 200mg
    Yohimbine HCl 6mg
    Guarana 50mg

  11. would i take an eca stack before working out?

  12. ECA stack pre workout yes.

    For me it worked best at 30mins prior.

    I also cycle for 2 weeks on and 2 off. As when i was on a constant dose of 30mg, after maybe 5 weeks, i needed 50mg and then that wasent cutting it, so cycling helped me a great deal.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by faaipdeoiad View Post
    ive been cutting for a good couple of months now. overall progress has been pretty good, lost alot of bf but a bit of muscle too. i was on dcp/geranium/recreate before the ecy and to be honest i noticed more from that which surprised me. ive been doing ecy for about 2 weeks and i think im making a little progress but not at the rate i expected. im gonna keep it up for 2 more weeks then increase calories for a bit.

    im down to about 190, im eating an average of 2700 cals a day. (doing low intensity cardio every morning, lifting 5 times a week w/ hiit on non lift days). i was implementing a form of carb cycling but ive gotten a bit less strict with it. on my off days i keep it at about 50g carbs, high days 250-300 (1-2 a week) and the rest at about 100-150 carbs. Im aiming for higher protein now since i started losing size so about 300-350g. rest is fats.

    i primarily just eat fruits for carbs, with occasional oats/grain bread. berries seem to be a wonder for me since they fill me up and taste delicious with so little carb content. i blend them into all my shakes with sugarfree soymilk and peanut butter and protein powder. i found this to be a good way of staying full/ quickly eating healthy. aside from that i stick to beef/chicken/turkey with occasional fish. vegetables (primarily celery and spinach and onions) and tons of almonds. let me know if u need any more specifics, i usually just grill whatever meat i can find with some vegetables and fruit in the morning/pre/postworkout.

    im thinking im stalling just because ive been cutting for so long and i might just need a break. i love having abs again though. also my tolerance to stims is beginning to scare me. i can sleep pretty soon after taking 25mg ephedra, 10mg yohimbine and 200 caffine whereas before id be up all night. i love the effects of ephedra though even if i dont notice the fatburning as much.
    Quote Originally Posted by faaipdeoiad View Post
    ive been wondering about that. ive always been told to use creatine while cutting but imo i dont notice much from them. i have a couple tubs of green mag/ cell mass. i guess i could give it a shot. it would give me a break from no for a bit
    Ive read about carb cycling also, Im a little against it though...a break may do u good, I'd suggest 2-3 weeks, if you've been cutting for a few months, and u have a high tolerance for the stims...i've been taking creatine ethyl ester and love it, also Ive started to incorporate Y into my cut...deff can feel the difference, Im dosing 1/2/3/3/2/1...so ultimately a 6 week ECY but we'll see how it goes

  14. Quote Originally Posted by 0-hero View Post
    ECA stack pre workout yes.

    For me it worked best at 30mins prior.

    I also cycle for 2 weeks on and 2 off. As when i was on a constant dose of 30mg, after maybe 5 weeks, i needed 50mg and then that wasent cutting it, so cycling helped me a great deal.
    I may try this, depending on how it goes, this is my first cut using an ECY so I'm not sure how it will work out

  15. eca or clen never gave me the shakes.. and i ran clen up to 200

  16. Quote Originally Posted by NJbreed View Post
    eca or clen never gave me the shakes.. and i ran clen up to 200
    what were your results

  17. Quote Originally Posted by IRONPOPE View Post
    No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

    i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
    if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is
    To make bold statements such as this, one must first have data for which to justify the statement. Without delving into the legality dilemma, I would have to say there are things out there that can compare the the ECA stack, and perhaps even outperform.

    As for your question, I think you've answered it, implicitly. If the other fatburners were as strong as ephedra, they would be banned. Why don't people buy ECA? Probably because it is banned. For example, to get it in my state, you are limited to so many mg's per month. When you purchase, you must shown identification, and sign a waiver. This waiver is then sent to the DEA for documentation. If you go over your limit, you get a visitor. Remember, this compound is also used to make illegal drugs.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    To make bold statements such as this, one must first have data for which to justify the statement. Without delving into the legality dilemma, I would have to say there are things out there that can compare the the ECA stack, and perhaps even outperform.

    As for your question, I think you've answered it, implicitly. If the other fatburners were as strong as ephedra, they would be banned. Why don't people buy ECA? Probably because it is banned. For example, to get it in my state, you are limited to so many mg's per month. When you purchase, you must shown identification, and sign a waiver. This waiver is then sent to the DEA for documentation. If you go over your limit, you get a visitor. Remember, this compound is also used to make illegal drugs.
    Agreed, SX wipes the floor with ECA/Clen.

    Especially in terms of risk Vs reward.

  19. Ive never understood from the start why we would even compare ECA/ECY to Clen lol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    To make bold statements such as this, one must first have data for which to justify the statement. Without delving into the legality dilemma, I would have to say there are things out there that can compare the the ECA stack, and perhaps even outperform.

    As for your question, I think you've answered it, implicitly. If the other fatburners were as strong as ephedra, they would be banned. Why don't people buy ECA? Probably because it is banned. For example, to get it in my state, you are limited to so many mg's per month. When you purchase, you must shown identification, and sign a waiver. This waiver is then sent to the DEA for documentation. If you go over your limit, you get a visitor. Remember, this compound is also used to make illegal drugs.
    QUESTION? if EPHEDRA was unbanned tommorrow... how fast would AX have a ECA based Fatburner on the marker?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by 0-hero View Post
    Agreed, SX wipes the floor with ECA/Clen.

    Especially in terms of risk Vs reward.

    Thats a BOLDDDDDDDDDDDDD statement

  22. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    what were your results
    Summer clen fun

  23. thanks

  24. Quote Originally Posted by IRONPOPE View Post
    Thats a BOLDDDDDDDDDDDDD statement
    You know it brah.

    Run in excess of 10 ECA supps over 8 years and nothings come close to 2 SX caps at 6am.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by 0-hero View Post
    You know it brah.

    Run in excess of 10 ECA supps over 8 years and nothings come close to 2 SX caps at 6am.
    Hello

    you talk about of Slim Xtreme or what?
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