Save your money use ECA Stack
- 04-30-2009, 08:21 PM
- 04-30-2009, 08:39 PM
- 05-01-2009, 04:02 AM
Exactly ^^^ Just listen to your body, do not go over 100mg ephedrine a day and try not to take any other stimulants outwith the ECA stack.
05-01-2009, 09:30 AM
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05-01-2009, 12:34 PM
05-04-2009, 04:57 AM
i hope i'm not out of line in asking this but a certain part of this stack is controlled in my country and very hard to get hold of. what i'm wondering is if PE does the same job or if it's not even worth bothering. cheers!
05-04-2009, 08:54 AM
05-04-2009, 10:28 AM
you should be able to order the "certain part of the stack" online...shipping will probably be a helluva lot though since you're down under...what is "PE"
05-04-2009, 11:32 AM
I think he is talking about pseudoephedrine, aka the real Sudafed (the one behind the counter). Do not get the sudafed PE it is worthless. As far as PE vs ephedrine PE is a diasteromer of ephedrine. It will have similar side effects but not as pronounced as ephedrine.
Dosing.. do not go offer 120 mg per day!
I think it would be nice to see a ECA vs PCA stack thread.
05-04-2009, 01:02 PM
yep.. pseudo. sorry for being vague, wasn't sure what the protocol is this kind of 'grey area' stuff
there are some pharmacies here that won't even sell pseudo full stop so it's a little tough
cheers for the advice!
05-04-2009, 10:22 PM
05-05-2009, 08:26 AM
no one has any comments on using a NO product (White Flood, Shotgun, Explode, Superpump...)while on ECA or ECY???
05-05-2009, 01:26 PM
I think a NO product would be fine.. it won't interfer with the stack i wouldn't think and probably give you a nice boost preworkout.. If you are cutting you may wanna avoid the creatine "puffyness" but NO should be fine.
Has anyone done pseudoephedrine instead of ephedrine?
05-05-2009, 01:50 PM
05-05-2009, 02:51 PM
Ive decided not to take a NO product, due to the high amounts of stims, mainly caffeine, but I am taking AEX by VPX, it solely composed of Arginine, Cnidium Monnier, L-Nor Valine, Folic Acid
05-05-2009, 05:51 PM
ive been on ecy for a couple weeks. ive also been taking jacked. at first i would drop the caffeine and just do e and y with a scoop but i think i built up a tolerance quick. im taking ecy 4 times a day with a normal dose of no2 and not noticing much. id say if u lower ur caffeine intake i dont see it as much of a problem. or just skip one dose of eca altogether and use ur no2.
05-05-2009, 05:52 PM
if ur really worried maybe just take some arganine aakg or something with bcaas.on second look it seems like what ur taking is essentially that.
05-05-2009, 10:36 PM
05-05-2009, 11:02 PM
While using ECY at quite high doses I'd not mess with any sort of stims, but I always threw my daily Neovar in.
So don't know, I don't think you need the stim out of an NO, but you could certainly use a nice creatine product.
05-06-2009, 12:02 AM
im down to about 190, im eating an average of 2700 cals a day. (doing low intensity cardio every morning, lifting 5 times a week w/ hiit on non lift days). i was implementing a form of carb cycling but ive gotten a bit less strict with it. on my off days i keep it at about 50g carbs, high days 250-300 (1-2 a week) and the rest at about 100-150 carbs. Im aiming for higher protein now since i started losing size so about 300-350g. rest is fats.
i primarily just eat fruits for carbs, with occasional oats/grain bread. berries seem to be a wonder for me since they fill me up and taste delicious with so little carb content. i blend them into all my shakes with sugarfree soymilk and peanut butter and protein powder. i found this to be a good way of staying full/ quickly eating healthy. aside from that i stick to beef/chicken/turkey with occasional fish. vegetables (primarily celery and spinach and onions) and tons of almonds. let me know if u need any more specifics, i usually just grill whatever meat i can find with some vegetables and fruit in the morning/pre/postworkout.
im thinking im stalling just because ive been cutting for so long and i might just need a break. i love having abs again though. also my tolerance to stims is beginning to scare me. i can sleep pretty soon after taking 25mg ephedra, 10mg yohimbine and 200 caffine whereas before id be up all night. i love the effects of ephedra though even if i dont notice the fatburning as much.
05-06-2009, 12:06 AM
05-06-2009, 12:57 AM
Any opinions on this product?
Mahuang (10% extract for 10mg of ephedra alkaloids) 100mg
Kola Nut 20mg
Caffeine USP 200mg
Ginger Root 100mg
Chromium Picolinate 1mg
Pantothenic Acid 200mg
Yohimbine HCl 6mg
05-06-2009, 01:10 AM
05-06-2009, 10:36 AM
ECA stack pre workout yes.
For me it worked best at 30mins prior.
I also cycle for 2 weeks on and 2 off. As when i was on a constant dose of 30mg, after maybe 5 weeks, i needed 50mg and then that wasent cutting it, so cycling helped me a great deal.
05-06-2009, 03:04 PM
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