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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    ^ Sick dude! 20weeks straigh.. Let me know how that goes. BTW- if someone were to run a 10weeks clen cycle, with a 4 week rest after, would Ephedrine for 3 weeks straigh AFTER the 4weeks resting peroid, be effective? Or is it better to do a 10week rest peroid (note that during the 10weeks clen cycle, ketotifen was taken ED of the 3rd,6th, and 9th week @ 2g)?

    And another question- Can Benadryl/Ketotifen be taken ED during a resting peroid to help upregulate the Beta-2 Receptors in a shorter peroid of time? Anyone.
    im not sure how quickly beta 2 receptors upregulate or whether or not it is dependent on the duration and dosage at which clenbuterol was taken.

    clen is a selective beta 2 agonist and i think the half life is 36 hours.. so i would think four weeks off would be adequate, especially since ephedrine works primarily on beta 3 receptors... the only problem i see with this is ephedrine only being ran for 3 weeks lol
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    Less is best with ECA,use too much and you are abusing it. Only use this like once every year for for increased fatloss where single digits are important for6-12 weeks. 12 weeks being the very high end or maximum.

    I used it last year coming into my contest and the most I used was 50 mgs.I say 100 mgs maximum and most would do well off of 50-75 tops , after working your way up.

    I use no stimulates or low doses and last year it took like a month to get up to 25 mgs from 12. Strong stuff for non stimulate users

    Take at least one day per week off ECA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Less is best with ECA,use too much and you are abusing it. Only use this like once every year for for increased fatloss where single digits are important for6-12 weeks. 12 weeks being the very high end or maximum.

    I used it last year coming into my contest and the most I used was 50 mgs.I say 100 mgs maximum and most would do well off of 50-75 tops , after working your way up.

    I use no stimulates or low doses and last year it took like a month to get up to 25 mgs from 12. Strong stuff for non stimulate users

    Take at least one day per week off ECA.
    any of us who use it for anything but medical treatment purposes are abusing it anyway. the study i posted earlier demonstrates the benefits of long term use.. of course chronic use (much more than 20 weeks) would yeild health problems, most likely cardiac related. i think if bp is monitored throughout use, 20 weeks wouldnt hurt a healthy individual at a moderate dose

    FYI, I have never used more than 50mg either and i take in about 200-300mg of caffiene via diet coke every day
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    any of us who use it for anything but medical treatment purposes are abusing it anyway. the study i posted earlier demonstrates the benefits of long term use.. of course chronic use (much more than 20 weeks) would yeild health problems, most likely cardiac related. i think if bp is monitored throughout use, 20 weeks wouldnt hurt a healthy individual at a moderate dose

    FYI, I have never used more than 50mg either and i take in about 200-300mg of caffiene via diet coke every day
    I agree and you probably could get away with it for twenty weeks, and what most people are using it here for is increased metabolism for better fat loss, you need to be at least ten percent body fat or lower when using ECA. This is used as a tool for increased fat burning. If you have not got down to ten percent though, diet and exercise do that first.ECA strong stuff and needs to be respected. 25 mgs works fine

    in fact I have a method that makes it works better in my opinion

    12 mgs every two hours, it keeps energy levels MUCH more steady than 25 twice a day,. start off slow though 12 mgs and working your way up.

    In fact I am under the impression most people need not be using this unless they know precisely what they are doing though diet and exercise, and of course vast knowledge of this stack, and are extremely focused on achieving a certain percentage of body fat.

    If I never competed I would have never used this stack because if I am not competing I get get relatively lean like an easy ten percent without using anything but diet and exercise.
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    if i wanted to use OEP as my C source do i take 1 or 2 OEP with 1 bronkaid? i'm pretty sure each OEP has 100mg C
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIJane1928 View Post
    if i wanted to use OEP as my C source do i take 1 or 2 OEP with 1 bronkaid? i'm pretty sure each OEP has 100mg C
    I'm taking 2 OEP + 1 Bronkaid in the morning, 1 OEP + 1 Bronkaid 4-6 hours later.
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    okay after reading all this i am starting my eca stack tommorow

    Doses
    E-25 mgsx2-3 times a day....I dont wanna be up at night so I may alter it to two
    C 200mgs2-3 times a day
    A- 30 mgs 2-3 times a day

    Only question is this- I know there is a limit on how much ephedrine one can buy as people will extract the ephedrine to make methamphetamine. So can I buy like 2 cases how often? Also I picked up primatene tablets- and it has Guaifensin at 200 mgs I know this is a muscle relaxent (weak) IS this going to inhibit me keeping my LBM? Or is it totally not an issue here????
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    i dont know what texas' regulations are but where i am, the limit is far more than i need. It is something like 100 tabs every 60 days.
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    yeah thats more than I need too..... cool....what about the Guaifensin will this inhibit me retaining my lbm? I am going to be running this in pct from a epi/11 oxo recomp cycle i am finishing up
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    that ****


    can cause hypertension, nervousness, increased heartrate, sounds ****ty to me
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    Quote Originally Posted by D E V I L View Post
    can cause hypertension, nervousness, increased heartrate, sounds ****ty to me
    Ive tried many many fatburners or thermogenics- almost everyone has this side effect
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    Quote Originally Posted by bezoe View Post
    i dont know what texas' regulations are but where i am, the limit is far more than i need. It is something like 100 tabs every 60 days.
    Its up to 120tabs ED for most states. In CA I can get 2 Bronkaid boxes of 60tabs ED.

    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    okay after reading all this i am starting my eca stack tommorow

    Doses
    E-25 mgsx2-3 times a day....I dont wanna be up at night so I may alter it to two
    C 200mgs2-3 times a day
    A- 30 mgs 2-3 times a day

    Only question is this- I know there is a limit on how much ephedrine one can buy as people will extract the ephedrine to make methamphetamine. So can I buy like 2 cases how often? Also I picked up primatene tablets- and it has Guaifensin at 200 mgs I know this is a muscle relaxent (weak) IS this going to inhibit me keeping my LBM? Or is it totally not an issue here????
    Its a Expectorant. Helps to loosen phlem in the airways so that you can breath easier. If anything Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent.
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    cool thanks for the information man....preciate it.....yeah this stuff doesnt jack me up like other thermos I have tried- but I have some smooth non jittery energy, focus and I am sweating- quite a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    yeah thats more than I need too..... cool....what about the Guaifensin will this inhibit me retaining my lbm? I am going to be running this in pct from a epi/11 oxo recomp cycle i am finishing up
    Guaifensin doses need to be super high and if anything will relax muscles.I never really noticed it much.

    I am going to answer your question in here schwellington

    This is just a guideline not set in stone, it can be though if you want to do it this way

    *ALWAYS take one day per week off of your choice with benadryl that night of the night before.

    Day 1-4 12/100 mgs
    Day5-6 12/100 mgs 2 x's daily 2 hours apart
    Day 7off off benadryl
    day 8-13 12/100 2x's daily 2 hours apart
    day 14 off
    day 15-17 12/100 2 x's daily 2 hours apart
    day 18-20 12/100 3 x's daily 2 hours apart

    this is a great way to work your way up and the every two hours keeps energy levels much more steady. I have never gone above 50 mgs.

    I say stay lower than 100 at all times, and guys that weigh less maybe 75

    Some like to cycle back off I have quit cold turkey and came out fine. I added some tyrosine which I think made the landing smoother after eca stack.




    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Its up to 120tabs ED for most states. In CA I can get 2 Bronkaid boxes of 60tabs ED.



    Its a Expectorant. Helps to loosen phlem in the airways so that you can breath easier. If anything Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent.
    Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent?
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    I see....well I already bunked that up

    I assumed I would just start with 25mg/200mg 2x a day equaling out to 50/400 and if we throw in the asprin its at 60

    I may stay at this I may not....Depends how my body reacts

    I will take one day off a week with benadryl.....is it just regular bena?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schwellington View Post
    I see....well I already bunked that up

    I assumed I would just start with 25mg/200mg 2x a day equaling out to 50/400 and if we throw in the asprin its at 60

    I may stay at this I may not....Depends how my body reacts

    I will take one day off a week with benadryl.....is it just regular bena?
    yeah you can find generic benadryl .
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    Ephedrine is closer to a muscle relaxent?
    Well not quite what I meant. The ephedrine works by expanding your air ways, so technically loosens up your air pipe muscles expanding them and making it easier to breath. Where as guaifenesin works by thinning the mucus in the air passages (how exactly i dont know). So basically what I meant was between the effects that these two have, ephedrine works more with muscles then guaifenesin, not saying that ephedrine is infact a muscle relaxant though. But i have heard that high doses of guaifenesin can relax muscles but some where as high as 5000mg at once for a 100lbs person. So the muscle relax in this case is nothing to even think about. It'd be like drinking a glass of water and fearing you'd drown from it. Besides if the muscles where to relax, I think some creatine and a good stretch pre-w/o would easily counter that effect with good ol' ATP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Well not quite what I meant. The ephedrine works by expanding your air ways, so technically loosens up your air pipe muscles expanding them and making it easier to breath. Where as guaifenesin works by thinning the mucus in the air passages (how exactly i dont know). So basically what I meant was between the effects that these two have, ephedrine works more with muscles then guaifenesin, not saying that ephedrine is infact a muscle relaxant though. But i have heard that high doses of guaifenesin can relax muscles but some where as high as 5000mg at once for a 100lbs person. So the muscle relax in this case is nothing to even think about. It'd be like drinking a glass of water and fearing you'd drown from it. Besides if the muscles where to relax, I think some creatine and a good stretch pre-w/o would easily counter that effect with good ol' ATP.
    Guaifenesin can cause it, the doses need to be high.
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    Im telling you guys this. If you mess around with an ECA stack, you can very possibly screw up your metabolism and once this happens, say goodbye to losing fat until your metabolism has been reset. This takes sometimes a month or more and involves different variables.

    Please be careful
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    Quote Originally Posted by msucurt View Post
    Im telling you guys this. If you mess around with an ECA stack, you can very possibly screw up your metabolism and once this happens, say goodbye to losing fat until your metabolism has been reset. This takes sometimes a month or more and involves different variables.

    Please be careful
    Hey,

    where did you hear or see this from?got a link.

    The bodies metabolism will go back down and maybe even below that, it will regain its "normal" self though.
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    Do you have any scientific proof for eca messing up the metabolism
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    Quote Originally Posted by msucurt View Post
    Im telling you guys this. If you mess around with an ECA stack, you can very possibly screw up your metabolism and once this happens, say goodbye to losing fat until your metabolism has been reset. This takes sometimes a month or more and involves different variables.

    Please be careful
    It all depends on how fast you recover naturally though, every person is different. I once took t3 for 9 weeks straight and went as high as 125mcg. My natural T3 levels recovered in less then a week after my discountinue date. Its been about 2 months and ive only been lossing weight since then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IRONPOPE View Post
    No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

    i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
    if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is
    Can you name brands or sites where i can buy this stack. Aside from the aspirin. IN addition can you give me some mg/dose on each one. Stats 5'11" 215lbs 23yr
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeXaStRoNg View Post
    Can you name brands or sites where i can buy this stack. Aside from the aspirin. IN addition can you give me some mg/dose on each one. Stats 5'11" 215lbs 23yr
    primatene is the best ephedra source, available at walgreens, just ask the guy behind the counter. caffeine from coffe or caffine pills.
    E 25mg, C 200 mg, A 81mg (baby aspirin). this twice a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    primatene is the best ephedra source, available at walgreens, just ask the guy behind the counter. caffeine from coffe or caffine pills.
    E 25mg, C 200 mg, A 81mg (baby aspirin). this twice a day
    economically speaking it would be bronkaid. But if you feel that primatine is better because of that lil HCL it has at the end, then heck man i aint mad ya, watever helps you sleep at night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    Its up to 120tabs ED for most states. In CA I can get 2 Bronkaid boxes of 60tabs ED.
    im in nc and its nowhere near that quantity that often... guess people manufacture more meth here lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSlixter View Post
    economically speaking it would be bronkaid. But if you feel that primatine is better because of that lil HCL it has at the end, then heck man i aint mad ya, watever helps you sleep at night.
    what does the at the end HCl do or cause any significant advantage one may be after?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    what does the at the end HCl do or cause any significant advantage one may be after?
    This has been covered earlier in this thread....I think it means it's more or less effective...like primatine is better than bronkaid or vice versa. It's only by a marginal percentage though...not enough to make a difference IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    what does the at the end HCl do or cause any significant advantage one may be after?
    Nuttin much, mainly just a mental thing for some ppl that want perfect cycles. But heres a liitle schooling if ya'll didnt already know.

    Ephedrine HCl is approximately 82% ephedrine by weight.
    Ephedrine sulfate is approximately 77% ephedrine by weight.
    25 mg ephedrine HCl = 20.5 mg ephedrine
    25 mg ephedrine sulfate = 19.25 mg ephedrine

    finally, the difference between ephedrine sulfate and HCL

    As u can see its just a molecular weight difference. Sulfate tends to carry more weight per millagram (if i can remember exactly). Its also been said that HCL is nearly pure, so a 25mg HCL cap would equal about 24.6mg (just an example) and that sulfates just a little less like 19.6mg. Something like that, but I also dont doubt the above approximate. If your one of those ppl that like exact dosages then yor better off using 4 tabs of bronkaid for a 75mg ephedrine dose where as 3 primatine tabs could equal to that much. But still the same exact ingrediant there, just dosage and absorbtion time difference. SO4 and Cl are both strong electrolytes, meaning they dipserse very well (about 100%) in water. The reason you see two different kinds available is due more to economical constraints for both the companies to get s process up and running as well as maintained.

    Essentially, they're both pretty much equal in terms of bioavailability. Primatene is slightly more potent; however, I don't believe the increase in dosage is really going to make THAT BIG of a difference to where you would notice it.
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    hello my friends a question please.....A tablet of 30 mg can weight 20 mg effective weight ?

    I have 30 mg tablet, but the real weight is 20 mg...its possible ?

    ps:sorry for my bed english :S
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