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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    there's caffeine in creatine?
    If you re-read that, he's basically saying that the effects of caffeine are counteracted by the effects of the creatine. Here's the pdf for full review.

    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprin...urcetype=HWCIT

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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    there's caffeine in creatine?
    no I meant as you are throwing caffeine in the mixer too that the caffeine from the ECY will effect the creatine

    or..


    What he said ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    This could be debated all day long. The only way to find out what works best with you is to try them both. ECY may work better for others and ECA may work better for others.
    what asprin for in the ECA STACK? WHY DO SOME DROP IT AND RUN EC OR ECY?
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    i drop the aspirin because i stack EC with leviathan reloaded which has a ton of Y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbreed View Post
    what asprin for in the ECA STACK? WHY DO SOME DROP IT AND RUN EC OR ECY?
    Please read through this thread and then ask your question again, as this question has already been answered and debated. I'm not here to spoon feed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    If you re-read that, he's basically saying that the effects of caffeine are counteracted by the effects of the creatine. Here's the pdf for full review.

    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprin...urcetype=HWCIT
    Quote Originally Posted by Themanabolic View Post
    no I meant as you are throwing caffeine in the mixer too that the caffeine from the ECY will effect the creatine

    or..


    What he said ^^^
    ok, thanx, Im not going to do any creatine then, also I've stopped taking a pre-WO supp (NOS) and feel great....
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I wish I could still find t2... it is nearly impossible these days


    You could try Dicana, I havent myself but read its a decent T2 product
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    I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
    Good point. However I will also add to this and say that everyone that tries an EXX stack (the XX being whatever you decide to add to the E), needs to experiment to find what works best for them. ECA may work better for one person and EGY may work better for someone else. There are lots of different ways to set up an EXX stack. Or in the words of the 3rd brother guarding the holy grail in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade.....

    "Chose, but chose wisely."
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Good point. However I will also add to this and say that everyone that tries an EXX stack (the XX being whatever you decide to add to the E), needs to experiment to find what works best for them. ECA may work better for one person and EGY may work better for someone else. There are lots of different ways to set up an EXX stack. Or in the words of the 3rd brother guarding the holy grail in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade.....

    "Chose, but chose wisely."
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    I've decided to eat carbs...only about 100g though
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    I have tapoered down to 1 bronkaid in morning with 200 mgs caffiene and 100 mgs caffiene about four hours later. Dorian Yates talks about coming off ECA. That why i think it is important for a smooth come down. next ill do 0.5 (and keep the caffiene in)

    maybe reduce it to
    0.5 Bronkaid, and 100 mgs caffiene , four hours later 100 mgs caffiene

    Then when caffiene only start lowering the dosing on caffiene, eventually add in L-tyrosine, and then, come off caffiene completely and use l-tyrosine.

    so thats where I am right now..coming off stimulants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    I have tapoered down to 1 bronkaid in morning with 200 mgs caffiene and 100 mgs caffiene about four hours later. Dorian Yates talks about coming off ECA. That why i think it is important for a smooth come down. next ill do 0.5 (and keep the caffiene in)

    maybe reduce it to
    0.5 Bronkaid, and 100 mgs caffiene , four hours later 100 mgs caffiene

    Then when caffiene only start lowering the dosing on caffiene, eventually add in L-tyrosine, and then, come off caffiene completely and use l-tyrosine.

    so thats where I am right now..coming off stimulants.
    thats where I went weong last, I just stopped cold turkey, what does Dorian say about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    thats where I went weong last, I just stopped cold turkey, what does Dorian say about it
    Well I finished my taper off and I can say that it felt great with no sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    thats where I went weong last, I just stopped cold turkey, what does Dorian say about it
    he says it has side effects coming off. He does not know about tapering off. Tapering off is so simple yet so effective.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Well I finished my taper off and I can say that it felt great with no sides.
    Im happy to hear this.

    what taper down did you end up doing?

    I spent some time writing my taper down plan on paper and I am listening to my body and it is taking shorter to come off then I had written for myself on paper.
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    Well for one here's one ECA dose -
    1 bronkaid
    1 no-doze
    1 baby aspirin (EOD)


    And I did it like this...just a simple 1/2/3/4/3/2/1
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Well for one here's one ECA dose -
    1 bronkaid
    1 no-doze
    1 baby aspirin (EOD)


    And I did it like this...just a simple 1/2/3/4/3/2/1
    i meant to do that, but did somethig more like 1/2/3/4/2/1...when I do ECY again in about 2 weeks Ill do it correctly
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    Will I be able to loose 1.5% Bf in around 8 days? I'll be doing E/C and eviscerate. My cals will be no more than 1500 per day with less than 20g carb except on refeed day. I'll be lifting and then cardio on rest day.*

    *Only like 8 days til I leave for Hawaii.*
    Should i go 200mg/25mg 3x or 4x per day? How many cals should ( more or less of the 1500 i'm eating now?) and then break p/f/c %.???

    Sine it's only for 8 days I think i will be able to really push myself
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsswimmaster View Post
    Will I be able to loose 1.5% Bf in around 8 days? I'll be doing E/C and eviscerate. My cals will be no more than 1500 per day with less than 20g carb except on refeed day. I'll be lifting and then cardio on rest day.*

    *Only like 8 days til I leave for Hawaii.*
    Should i go 200mg/25mg 3x or 4x per day? How many cals should ( more or less of the 1500 i'm eating now?) and then break p/f/c %.???

    Sine it's only for 8 days I think i will be able to really push myself
    slow down...wuts ur experience with stims? hows your diet? a clean or dirty 1500 cals? how much u weigh? height? how long u been training...etc
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    Diet is very clean and I've been very strict with it. not much exp with stims but I tried slim xtreme and liked it at a higher dose. Been lifting hard for only a couple of months cuz I used be a swimmer. I'm 5'9" and I weigh like 154. I have a small bit of def on my abs. Just want a little to push out that last bit of fat.
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    Alright I'm gonna go for it. Gonna star today with 25/200 twice. Tomorrow I'll add 5mg yohimbine. If everything stays good I'll try 3x per day. I'll eat about 1300 cals 80/10/10 and I'll do a carb refeed after 6 days. Day 1 I'll do fasted am cardio and then weights in the afternone, Day 2 fasted am cardio and the ab and body weight workout. I'll adjust based on how I feel. I will b doing this for 9 days. I'll let u know how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsswimmaster View Post
    Alright I'm gonna go for it. Gonna star today with 25/200 twice. Tomorrow I'll add 5mg yohimbine. If everything stays good I'll try 3x per day. I'll eat about 1300 cals 80/10/10 and I'll do a carb refeed after 6 days. Day 1 I'll do fasted am cardio and then weights in the afternone, Day 2 fasted am cardio and the ab and body weight workout. I'll adjust based on how I feel. I will b doing this for 9 days. I'll let u know how it goes.
    1300 cals? You BW is low but that insane!
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    Has anyone ever tried combinig ECA or NYC with an OTC topical fat burner with added clen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsswimmaster View Post
    Alright I'm gonna go for it. Gonna star today with 25/200 twice. Tomorrow I'll add 5mg yohimbine. If everything stays good I'll try 3x per day. I'll eat about 1300 cals 80/10/10 and I'll do a carb refeed after 6 days. Day 1 I'll do fasted am cardio and then weights in the afternone, Day 2 fasted am cardio and the ab and body weight workout. I'll adjust based on how I feel. I will b doing this for 9 days. I'll let u know how it goes.
    keep us posted
    Quote Originally Posted by Turd View Post
    Has anyone ever tried combinig ECA or NYC with an OTC topical fat burner with added clen?
    im no expert, but that seems like a little too much lol
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    Can anyone recommend a reputable online supplier of ECA that delivers to the UK?

    It's a banned substance here so I'd like a fellow Brit for input.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion View Post
    Can anyone recommend a reputable online supplier of ECA that delivers to the UK?

    It's a banned substance here so I'd like a fellow Brit for imput.
    sorry mate
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    So today was day 1. 153.3lbs 12%bf. I have been doing very low carb diet with no refeeds for the past to weeks so today and tomorrow i figured it might be a good Idea to replenish my glycogen. As for the E/C I took 25/200 twice didn't really feel to different beside low appitite. Tomorrow I'll up it to 3x. I ran out of money so I won't be getting the yohimbine till hopefully early next week and I will using alpha burn(it was recommend at being better than the yohimbine). I'll update in a few days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ahsswimmaster View Post
    Alright I'm gonna go for it. Gonna star today with 25/200 twice. Tomorrow I'll add 5mg yohimbine. If everything stays good I'll try 3x per day. I'll eat about 1300 cals 80/10/10 and I'll do a carb refeed after 6 days. Day 1 I'll do fasted am cardio and then weights in the afternone, Day 2 fasted am cardio and the ab and body weight workout. I'll adjust based on how I feel. I will b doing this for 9 days. I'll let u know how it goes.
    That's way to fast IMO. Ramping up to 2x and even 3x per day will cause your BP to skyrocket. You may see some unwanted side effects up front and possibly when you decide to cease taking it as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion View Post
    Can anyone recommend a reputable online supplier of ECA that delivers to the UK?

    It's a banned substance here so I'd like a fellow Brit for input.
    You might want to PM UKStrength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    You might want to PM UKStrength.
    Thanks mate! :-)
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    Got a quick question, I been taking eca for the past couple weeks now (about 3 or 4) with a off day every Sunday and I have taken it before prior to this time aswell. Anyway I was just wondering how bad is it to take doses earlier then soupposed to

    I have heard to space doeses 2 ways, either 4 or 5 hours apart. I usually take 4 hours apart.

    My question is, say I wake up late and start taking eca late, if I wait every 4 hours my last one will be after 2pm and then I have trouble sleeping so sometimes I cut down an extra 30mins between does to make up for time, is this gonna have bad effects for me?

    Say for example I woke up at 7 so I take eca stack at 7am, 1030am, then 230pm... Would that be ok? I don't exced the daily mg limit just take them closer together every once in a while. For the most part I'm up at 5am and space them 4hrs.

    Thanks
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