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  1. OOO Im dumb...damn bro, 4 ED, wow, I felt amazing at 3 ED...


  2. Quote Originally Posted by IRONPOPE View Post
    No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

    i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
    if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is
    Agree. I used ECAY(green stinger)+Keto. Really does work compare to clen
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  3. yea...on the low carb/keto issue, Im only going to eat carbs pre-WO, and those will be 1/4-1/2 cup of oats, and NO CHEATING

  4. 4 is my highest.

    Im sensative to stimulants and they keep me up.

    has anyone dosed 2 bronk's(50 ephedrine) with 200 caffiene. can one do this. id rather take two doses. for best results a person is not to take them less than 4 hours apart. i try to dose 4 hours apart and if I go any more than this I cannot sleep! does any one know what I mean or has done this?
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  5. Ive never done it
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  6. JDK5386
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    itll wear off after 1-2 weeks then you have to up the dosing
    Yeah I'm already noticing a small drop off on day 3. I'm leaning towards cycling 2 weeks on/off.

  7. its best to run it strait though. cycling off 2 weeks on and 2 off works well for Clen. Eca is a whole different thing and people got this mixed up
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    its best to run it strait though. cycling off 2 weeks on and 2 off works well for Clen. Eca is a whole different thing and people got this mixed up
    I thought it was cycled to prevent rapid tolerance buildup? Or is tolerance building inevitable when on ECA?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JDK5386 View Post
    I thought it was cycled to prevent rapid tolerance buildup? Or is tolerance building inevitable when on ECA?
    nope thats clen. people got them mixed up. they work in different ways
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by JDK5386 View Post
    Yeah I'm already noticing a small drop off on day 3. I'm leaning towards cycling 2 weeks on/off.
    not 2 on 2 off, maybe 4 on 2 off....
    Quote Originally Posted by JDK5386 View Post
    I thought it was cycled to prevent rapid tolerance buildup? Or is tolerance building inevitable when on ECA?
    tolerance is inevitable...on anything

  11. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    The Y coupled with the E causes a baseline heart increase to a pretty good amount, and spiking blood pressure is an issue. The problem with those two things combined is the micro abrasions the extra pressure and increased rate of blood flow causes when cells strikes the artery walls, giving LDL a place to gain a foothold and build up extra plague at an early stage. With these factors, heart disease has a much more likelihood in the future.

    Y gives you a mental boost because it speeds you up pretty good, and hurts the old appetite, it does nothing in the stack... you cannot even call it a stack. A stack is synergistic, this is just throwing a tin can on a fire to hear it crackle.

    Adams


    Adams what do you think of ECA + Alpha-Y stack? Now that DSADE has alpha burn this is a real possibility and seems it would not cause the same HR and BP problems as the Y with E but I would love to hear your feedback?

    Mr.50

  12. Hey all, appreciate the active thread here.

    Started the ECA cycle on Monday, and I'm here on Saturday having dropped 5 pounds (265 to 260) and on schedule with daily workouts (upper body/ HIIT).

    Just ramped up to 2 Bronks, 2 No Doz, and 2 baby aspirins this morning with no sides. Curious...gradually in the next week or two should I be ramping up the E,C, and A past 4/4/4?

  13. I wouldnt go more than 4...but its your decision

  14. also, just so everyone knows, I had a little cortisol rebound when I went off of ECA, Im taking DHEA now, and its subsiding

  15. Quote Originally Posted by SkinnyMinnie View Post
    The government just prefers to be totalitarian in banning them and not risk having people kill themselves with them, even though there are people who are sensible when they use them.
    and its a great thing that all people sensibly use cigarettes, or the government would ban them to. as long as we keep smoking deaths in the usa between 450,000-500,000 every single year, we know its totally sensible and people arent killing themselves that much as the ephedrine users who are just junkies and should be a crime.

  16. This is a great video for coming off . He talks about it at the beginning

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  17. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    also, just so everyone knows, I had a little cortisol rebound when I went off of ECA, Im taking DHEA now, and its subsiding
    Did you taper off or just quit cold turkey?

  18. good video

  19. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Did you taper off or just quit cold turkey?
    I know its bad to stop cold turkey, espec on stims such as ECA, I did a 2 day taper...wasn't enough, obviously

  20. I love my ECA stack... just as effective as clen IMO

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Adams what do you think of ECA + Alpha-Y stack? Now that DSADE has alpha burn this is a real possibility and seems it would not cause the same HR and BP problems as the Y with E but I would love to hear your feedback?

    Mr.50
    I haven't seen any studies to support or defeat AlphaY + ECA. Honestly I am not on board with Alpha-Y, but I am not on board with Yohimbine either. To many factors make Y pretty useless in our uses besides transdermally.

    Don't take this as a jab toward D's product, I am just not well versed in Alpha-Y, as the only things I have read with a strong defense has been put out by vendors. I am sure D has done his homework on it, so may be able to speak better on the subject of Alpha-Y + ECA.

    be that said, to test things out, I would first gather a baseline. Take your BP 3 times per day... say First morning, mid day, and pre bed. Do that for a week to gather an average baseline of unadulterated BP. Then begin ECA for a few days, gathering the same data. Then add in your Alpha-Y, see if you see a rise in resting BP average. Also pay attention to your heart rate... obviously resting heart rate is important, but also gather the data of middle and post exercise... see how long it remains elevated post exercise. These data points are going to be the only way to see how the stack affects your vitals in the long run. I know it sounds like a pain, but better than the long run heart disease.

    It can always be a pretty interest experiment overall as well. I used a blood glucose meter for some of these Insulin "Potentiators" or mimickers or whatever you want to call them... did the gamit of what is available.. and the funny thing... the only thing that really impacted my numbers in any way? Good old ALA (Of any isomer flavors R, K-R, Na-R)... the rest impacted my numbers pretty minimally.

    Doing these little experiments really puts you in touch with your own body chemistry... really helped me decide what supps are junk, and ones stand out.

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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Derekb95svt View Post
    I love my ECA stack... just as effective as clen IMO
    Much safer as well... be it minimal or not, Heart necrosis has been shown in rats dosing clen.

    Don't care if it hasnt been reproduced or not, or what doses they were on... just doesn't tickle my fancy as being worth it... I think i would rather be a bit heavier set!

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  23. DAdams, here is the thread I was talking about earlier supporting Y for better fat loss
    Advanced Fat Loss Discussion (alpha/beta receptors)

  24. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    DAdams, here is the thread I was talking about earlier supporting Y for better fat loss
    Advanced Fat Loss Discussion (alpha/beta receptors)
    I have read that thread, and i believe you missed my point about risk vs. benefit. The risk vs. reward is just not there, and oral Y is a crappy way to stimulate lipolisys unless you are that magical area where the moon lines up with Jupiter.

    A localized Y product stacked with ECA would be fine, and beneficial, but stimulating every receptor in the heart is just downright a stupid idea.

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  25. I see what you mean by stimulating the hearts receptors...
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