i get primatene tablets at walmart for less than 9 bucks for 60. it's ephedrine HCL 12.5 mgs. The pharmacist has it, they ask for ID as well. No big deal.. i buy two at a time.
I just finished reading all 9 pages of this thread and I have some questions.
A little background... I'm female, 5'4", 205ish. I had lapband surgery in January and I've lost 41 lbs (25 of which came off two weeks pre surgery and the first week post surgery... since then I've lost 17lbs in 17 weeks) but due to two health issues that cause weight gain and make weight loss nearly impossible (poly cystic ovaries and an underactive thyroid) my loss has been super slow and I'm OVER IT. I work out almost every day, 4-5 days a week cardio and mild strength training 1-2x a week plus 45 minutes of yoga 1-2x a week for my own sanity. I eat about 1200 cals a day. Hunger is NOT an issue for me. I've looked at this from all angles and I really need something that's going to boost my metabolism and get my body burning fat and cals the way it should. Trust me on this- I work my a$$ off and I'm struggling to lose 1 lousy pound a week.
I have some questions about taking an ECA stack. I used to take ephedrine hci/guaifensen (or however you spell it) for energy. I'm familiar with how my body responds to it. I love it. I've been trying to lose weight without stimulants, supplements, etc. (well, aside from whey and vitamins... but you know what I mean). I'm ready to try something because I'm sick of working my butt off with little results.
1) I read time and time again to experiment with dosages... but what's a good starting point for A and C? I know where to start with the E because I've taken it before and know what to expect. As I stated before, I'm 5'4" 205 female.
2) This probably sounds like a stupid question... but what form do you buy caffeine? Can you just go to GNC and get plain ole caffeine tablets? I've never had to look for just caffeine.
3) Can you crush any of these pills? Ephedrine is small enough that I could split it in half, and I believe asprin is small enough to take whole (depending on the dose, not sure), but if the caffeine is too big for me to swallow (I can't take big pills), can I crush it?
Thanks so much for your help!!
ETA- I know this will vary from person to person, but what kind of results can I expect? I'm taking a cruise in 3 months and I was really hoping to have gotten a lot farther than my current outlook of high 180s, low 190s. My losses have averaged 1lb a week, sometimes less than that. If I can get 2-3lbs a week off I'd be friggin extatic. I work my a$$ off, I wish my body would cooperate!!!
Caffeine you can get in just tablets, here on NP 5.99 for 100 tabs from ProLab or same price 90 tabs from Primaforce. I'm sure GNC sells the same thing just add a 3 to 4 bucks to that price. They are about the same size as an ephedrine tab.
The ideal ratio of ECA is 10 to 1 caffeine to ephedrine. 10 mg of caffeine to 1 mg of ephedrine. 200 mg of caffeine to 20 mg of ephedrine. It doesn't have to be so precise, but thats the ideal ratio. The asprin dosage for 200mg/20mg should be in the 80mg range which is 1/4 an aspirin usually. Half an aspirin is fine.
I don't think there is really a need to crush these pills, none of them are really horse like pills.
But I always suggest ramping up your dosage when starting off with eca to help curb any side effects that may become present. Like I wouldn't jump into 200mg/20mg 2 to 3 times a day right off the bat. Maybe 100mg/10mg once a day for 2 days, then bump it up to twice a day for a few days, then bump it to 200mg/20mg once 100mg/10mg once for a few days, then 200mg/20mg twice a day for a few days etc.
since taking this eca stack my throat has gotten really dry and voice real harsh and im always coughing and spitting up mucus, i assume its cuz of the guaifessian
Quinon Proficit Deficit
"Science literacy is a vaccine against the charlatans of the world that would exploit your ignorance." - Neil deGrasse Tyson
1. ideally i think its a 1to 10 ratio of e to c. so for every 10mg of ephedrine its 100mg caffeine. i use 24mg e hcl with a 200mg tab of caffeine. asprin is supposed to be the same ratio but i think the 84mg baby apsrin are recommended to avoid stomach issues.
2. caffine is just sold in tabs, nutraplanet.com has the prolab ones for pretty cheap, thats where i got mine. you could drink coffee/green tea etc for it but the tabs are just more efficient
3. the caffeine tabs split easily and the baby asprin is already small, as is the ephedrine
results, i cant really help u here, like u said its all dependent. if ur diet and traning are already in good shape then it will help. if nothing else it gave me the energy to do longer cardio sessions and be more active, that led to some fat loss on its own.
Also have you considered possibly going on a low carb diet to switch things up?
2. I buy everything I need for ECA at CVS. Bronkaid, Caffeine, and Bayer. I'm sure you can also score everything you need at a Walgreens or Walmart.
3. You should not have any need to crush these pills as they are relatively small and easy to swallow.
For my cardio, I do about 45 minutes... I average about 17 minute miles for 45 minutes... my speed stays between 3.2-3.5mph with a few spurts of jogging at 5mph for about 1-2 minutes each. I believe my cals burned are (according to the calculator on sparkpeople.com) around 200ish. Wow that's pretty embarrassing... what's more embarrassing is that I worked my way up from doing 20 minutes at 2.5-2.7mph!
I tried low carb but it was hell on my body. I have never had such bad constipation... and I was taking a fiber supplement. I was taking miralax every day and I was miserable. My carbs were at about 20g per day then. Right now I keep it at around 40-60g a day.
Feel free to offer more suggestions as I could really use them. People in the support group are die hard about sticking to what the nutritionist and surgeon tell them.... but those things aren't working for me and my doc has no interest in doing anything else or offering any other options/suggestions unless my average drops below 1lb a week.
That's what I would work on. Calories I guess I would keep the same to see what happens with intensifying your cardio, but still would have one day a week where you upped your cals
I know if your a bigger guy and over 25 too much excessive ground cardio for weeks and monbths at a time,starts taking its toll on the hips, knees. Morever, it also burns muscle if done high intensity. if your a marathon runner fine, bodybuilders though should keep it at a moderate-lower pace and longer time..especially if your an immediate bodybuiler/more advanced.
Follow me on facebook, twitter and youtube, where I share information and videos to help you achieve your physique goals, John Smeton Ftness
17 min mile is perfect for burning fat,thats where I keep my speed on cutting.Try to up the cals just a little if your getting tired doing the workouts.
Im on my second week of eca and Im eating alot but doing major workouts,I did a double yesterday 2x50 min walks and did chest in the am and night.
You can get away with one dose of eca for the first 3-4 days,when I start I get a huge rush and it lasts almost all day,I could never take a second dose in the first few days.
Also try and use ephedrine hci its way more potant and is what was used to make the stack.I also take asprin every few days since it stays in you for a while.
good luck on your way to your goals,the eca will def help out if everything else is in check.