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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    Ive asked this earlier in the thread . no-one said they did it. i dont see why it wouldnt be effective

    has any person done 2 bronkaids in one dose?

    some one wants to take four per day(50 mgs per dose) and they dose it two, twice daily.
    Yeah, I'm on week 2 of my cycle doing 50 mg upon waking and another 50 mg early afternoon.

    I can tolerate stims well and I have a lot flesh to burn (currently at 6'2, 260)

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    Quote Originally Posted by boozehound View Post
    Yeah, I'm on week 2 of my cycle doing 50 mg upon waking and another 50 mg early afternoon.

    I can tolerate stims well and I have a lot flesh to burn (currently at 6'2, 260)

    how much caffiene are you doing with each dose?
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    400 mg (2 No Doz)
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    Quote Originally Posted by boozehound View Post
    400 mg (2 No Doz)
    Those sort of doses for both caffeine and ephedrine aren't going to do your heart any favors.
    Its recommended you take 24mg Eph with 250mg caffeine each time.
    Even if you have 'alot to burn' more is not an approach that you should take.
    Make sure you regularly take your blood pressure, and HR.
    Take your HR during exercise too - I do 30mg Eph & 200mg Caffeine and my bp is nearly in the pre-hypertension zone, and my heart rate greatly increases doing weight.
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    manabolic...what do you mean by "2 weeks PCT, 2 weeks PCT & Salbutamol" why not just say PCT & Salbutamol

    I know its off topic...j/w
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    manabolic...what do you mean by "2 weeks PCT, 2 weeks PCT & Salbutamol" why not just say PCT & Salbutamol

    I know its off topic...j/w
    Lol erm because I'm keeping 2 weeks off for blood pressure reasons then adding salbutamol ( I can't see what I have put at the moment as I'm on iPhone, using the mobile version of AM)
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    ^O ok
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    I decided to give your Bronkaid instead of the hci a try and for results i feel the same and have the same effects as the hci so i have been the hci for years and with a compairison of the two the last week has been about the same as normal.I can agree that its pretty easy to go to walgreens and just get it i was picking up a med for my boy and was like **** ill give it a try...
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    Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    Thedarkhalf,Dadams91982-

    I decided to give your Bronkaid instead of the hci a try and for results i feel the same and have the same effects as the hci so i have been the hci for years and with a compairison of the two the last week has been about the same as normal.I can agree that its pretty easy to go to walgreens and just get it i was picking up a med for my boy and was like **** ill give it a try...
    Cool man glad to hear that worked out. 2 boxes of bronkaid should last you about 7-8 weeks if you follow my tapering up and down protocol.
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    ^ my 7-8 weeks will start once I finish this bottle of Recreate
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    Quote Originally Posted by boozehound View Post
    400 mg (2 No Doz)
    Themanabolic said it below. 400 mgs in one dose yikes

    so your taking 800 mgs every day?

    Quote Originally Posted by Themanabolic View Post
    Those sort of doses for both caffeine and ephedrine aren't going to do your heart any favors.
    Its recommended you take 24mg Eph with 250mg caffeine each time.
    Even if you have 'alot to burn' more is not an approach that you should take.
    Make sure you regularly take your blood pressure, and HR.

    actually its 200 mgs caffiene with 25 ephedrine. Bronkaid were getting in 20 mgs

    Take your HR during exercise too - I do 30mg Eph & 200mg Caffeine and my bp is nearly in the pre-hypertension zone, and my heart rate greatly increases doing weight.
    I had to reduce to one per day for the last two days I was feeling cracked out, not good sleep, irratable,....Ive slept better so dont be scared to go down if your feeling like its a bit too much to handle for a couple days.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Cool man glad to hear that worked out. 2 boxes of bronkaid should last you about 7-8 weeks if you follow my tapering up and down protocol.
    yep


    Tomorrow Im thinking of doing 1.5 bronkaid, staying with 200 caffiene twice per day...

    Im also taking theophylline which speeds up ephedrine about twice as fast.

    I was taking baby asprin twice daily but I dont want to take it anymore because once I started taking theophylline I started noticing sides(irratable) thats why I took a two day break.

    Ill start back tomorrrow and see how it goes.
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    this is off topic, but my friend takes ECA on his his off weeks from Clen HAHAHA, I told him he's nutz
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    this is off topic, but my friend takes ECA on his his off weeks from Clen HAHAHA, I told him he's nutz
    thats what alot of people do ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themanabolic View Post
    thats what alot of people do ..
    wow. how long do you think its "ok" to run ECY? j/w your opinion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    wow. how long do you think its "ok" to run ECY? j/w your opinion...
    There is proof that running ephedrine chronically has an increased effect over running it periodically,
    I don't really know that much about Y as I never have wanted to use it longer than a bottle, but as for EC I suppose you could use it for a few months, do research on it yourself, I don't mind experimenting with my own body but other peoples
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    lol
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    Yeah Smet, I did the 2 Bronks and 2 No Doz upon waking and early afternoon for a couple of days. Felt good, no sides, but finally got a big crash last night. I'll be backing off the stuff a bit, but do like the energy and effects (dropped 10 lbs in 2 weeks).

    What's the theophylline? So that is similar to ephedrine or what?
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    what if I didnt wait until I was was finished with the Recreate, but started E for the last week, sort of like a bridge, just not with the C&Y
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    My "eca"

    Eph - 2 day
    Caf - 2 day
    A-yoh - 2 day
    Asprin - 2 day
    clen - 60mcg
    t3 - 25mcg
    sometimes colleus
    DNP - just 1 pill a 3-4 times a week max

    So basically lower doses of everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    My "eca"

    Eph - 2 day
    Caf - 2 day
    A-yoh - 2 day
    Asprin - 2 day
    clen - 60mcg
    t3 - 25mcg
    sometimes colleus
    DNP - just 1 pill a 3-4 times a week max
    You're doing ECA, Clen, and T3 at the same time? That seems aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDK5386 View Post
    You're doing ECA, Clen, and T3 at the same time? That seems aggressive.
    totally overlooking the DNP
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themanabolic View Post
    totally overlooking the DNP
    I have my reasons:

    ECAY stack - Some energy and appetite control
    t3 - low dose to offset slowdown on a long diet, basically in the normal range
    DNP - burn off excess glucose when re-entering ketosis, also very usefull non-stim nighttime fat burner
    Clen - My favorite fat burner but need 120+ when used alone and that makes training abs impossible because of cramps, stacked I can use much less and still train abs

    My doses are all on the very low end but using more things for their unique benefits

    Oh and just started eviscerate today
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    my stack

    eca,t2,tiractricol

    3 weeks eca
    2 weeks t2,eca
    last 2 weeks eca,triac

    the last 2 are coming up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I have my reasons:

    ECAY stack - Some energy and appetite control
    t3 - low dose to offset slowdown on a long diet, basically in the normal range
    DNP - burn off excess glucose when re-entering ketosis, also very usefull non-stim nighttime fat burner
    Clen - My favorite fat burner but need 120+ when used alone and that makes training abs impossible because of cramps, stacked I can use much less and still train abs

    My doses are all on the very low end but using more things for their unique benefits

    Oh and just started eviscerate today
    Fair enough, ill rep you just for the worlds most amazing stack !
    It all makes sense though, and at small doses like you are doing there shouldn't be much bad it is doing to you, unless you are using the clen for over 2 weeks at a time.. then you will get down-regulation of your Beta receptors - not good
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    what do yall think of 1 cap of leviathan RL( yohimbine and caffeine), 25mg ephedra, and like 350mg of GTE?

    just started taking leviathan but im not sure how much caffeine is in it, or whether i should bump it up to 2 per dose along with the ephedrine, or whether i should be taking both together anyway.

    comments?
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    Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    what do yall think of 1 cap of leviathan RL( yohimbine and caffeine), 25mg ephedra, and like 350mg of GTE?

    just started taking leviathan but im not sure how much caffeine is in it, or whether i should bump it up to 2 per dose along with the ephedrine, or whether i should be taking both together anyway.

    comments?
    Overkill with the GTE. I would say drop the caffeine, but since it is apart of the leviathan you can't do that. The only way to see how effective a stack is would be to run it, log it, take a break from it, and then change the stack, run it again, and then compare end results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boozehound View Post
    Yeah Smet, I did the 2 Bronks and 2 No Doz upon waking and early afternoon for a couple of days. Felt good, no sides, but finally got a big crash last night. I'll be backing off the stuff a bit, but do like the energy and effects (dropped 10 lbs in 2 weeks).

    What's the theophylline? So that is similar to ephedrine or what?
    It is in a topical rub on that I have been using by LG sciences called lipoburn.

    It was originally used with ephedrine back in the sixties. to overdose ec you have to do something like 50 x's the amount. Theophylline speeds it up to 25 x's.

    aspirin, tyrosine whatever else your using speeds up. do your home work ec is nothing to play with mixing other stufff if one does not know what they are doing.
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    what does anyone think about using creatine with ECY? Im either going to use EE or Mono...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    what does anyone think about using creatine with ECY? Im either going to use EE or Mono...
    It will make no difference to the ECY but maybe to the creatine as you have caffeine in there too, which will counter act the creatine: I knew this already but googled a source just for you lol:
    news.bio-medicine.org/biology-news-2/Findings-conclude-sustained-caffeine-intake-negates-the-benefits-of-creatine-supplements-8095-2/
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    there's caffeine in creatine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    there's caffeine in creatine?
    If you re-read that, he's basically saying that the effects of caffeine are counteracted by the effects of the creatine. Here's the pdf for full review.

    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprin...urcetype=HWCIT
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    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    there's caffeine in creatine?
    no I meant as you are throwing caffeine in the mixer too that the caffeine from the ECY will effect the creatine

    or..


    What he said ^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    This could be debated all day long. The only way to find out what works best with you is to try them both. ECY may work better for others and ECA may work better for others.
    what asprin for in the ECA STACK? WHY DO SOME DROP IT AND RUN EC OR ECY?
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    i drop the aspirin because i stack EC with leviathan reloaded which has a ton of Y.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NJbreed View Post
    what asprin for in the ECA STACK? WHY DO SOME DROP IT AND RUN EC OR ECY?
    Please read through this thread and then ask your question again, as this question has already been answered and debated. I'm not here to spoon feed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    If you re-read that, he's basically saying that the effects of caffeine are counteracted by the effects of the creatine. Here's the pdf for full review.

    http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/reprin...urcetype=HWCIT
    Quote Originally Posted by Themanabolic View Post
    no I meant as you are throwing caffeine in the mixer too that the caffeine from the ECY will effect the creatine

    or..


    What he said ^^^
    ok, thanx, Im not going to do any creatine then, also I've stopped taking a pre-WO supp (NOS) and feel great....
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    Quote Originally Posted by justreading View Post
    I wish I could still find t2... it is nearly impossible these days


    You could try Dicana, I havent myself but read its a decent T2 product
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    I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
    Good point. However I will also add to this and say that everyone that tries an EXX stack (the XX being whatever you decide to add to the E), needs to experiment to find what works best for them. ECA may work better for one person and EGY may work better for someone else. There are lots of different ways to set up an EXX stack. Or in the words of the 3rd brother guarding the holy grail in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade.....

    "Chose, but chose wisely."
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    I drop A because the original studies in the sixties were not done with aspirin. and I really do not want aspirin in my stack. does it speed things up? yes...there are also unlimited other substances that speed the thermo effects up as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Good point. However I will also add to this and say that everyone that tries an EXX stack (the XX being whatever you decide to add to the E), needs to experiment to find what works best for them. ECA may work better for one person and EGY may work better for someone else. There are lots of different ways to set up an EXX stack. Or in the words of the 3rd brother guarding the holy grail in Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade.....

    "Chose, but chose wisely."
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