Save your money use ECA Stack
- 06-07-2009, 06:10 PM
I need to play the part of annoying newb because honestly there seems to be too much opinion and not enough fact having to do with the amount of asprin to take.
I've never taken asprin with this stack but am thinking 2 baby asprin a day but am hesitant because that is something I just pulled out of thin air.
Does anyone know what dose is A. Needed to get the desired effect B. Still low as possible for those on other substances that may challenge the liver ect.
- 06-07-2009, 07:29 PM
Allow me to introduce myself on this first post...
6'2, 265, 32 yo, former athlete now gone to beer drinking and a more sedentary profession.
Getting back into the swing of things and was considering a Clen cycle, but will go ECA out of convenience.
I'll keep the peanut gallery posted on my progress...
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06-07-2009, 10:15 PM
It will up cortisol levels but at some level could be muscle sparing BUT could possibly encourage you do be dieting in PCT which isn't smart. Also if it hurts your appetite its no good. Then again for motivation in the gym it helps... I really don't think it will have much of a net positive or negative impact.
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06-08-2009, 11:59 AM
Generally speaking, a serving of an ECA stack would be the following....
1 Bronkaid (or whatever you decide to use), 1 no doze (200 mg caffeine), and 1 baby aspirin (81mg).
However I do the baby aspirin EOD because aspirin has a long half life. The days I don't take aspirin I drink a few cups of green tea. You could also try giving white willow bark a shot. You will have to do research on the dosing for that as I am not sure how that would work. I just stick to the tried and true method....no need to be fancy i just keep it simple....none of the ECY, EGY, or whatever the hell people are trying to come up with.
06-08-2009, 01:47 PM
06-08-2009, 02:26 PM
WHY oh WHY does ANYONE use ECY? There isn't a significant benefit of adding the Y, especially if you remove the Aspirin. The pathways are completely different (And somewhat useless without an adjunct) and you get the added benefits of possible heart problems.
Cardiovascular effects of ephedrine, caffeine and yohimbine measured by thoracic electrical bioimpedance in obese women.
Waluga M, Janusz M, Karpel E, Hartleb M, Nowak A.
Low caloric diet is a commonly accepted treatment in obesity. However, owing to moderate results, a pharmacological support has been proposed. As some efficacious drugs activate overall sympathetic activity, they might modify functions of the cardiovascular system. Three groups of subjects were studied: (1) nine obese women receiving only a standard hypocaloric diet; (2) nine obese women receiving a standard hypocaloric diet and ephedrine (2 x 25 mg) with caffeine (2 x 200 mg); (3) nine obese women receiving a standard hypocaloric diet and ephedrine (2 x 25 mg) with caffeine (2 x 200 mg) and yohimbine (2 x 5 mg). The cardiovascular state was evaluated by thoracic electrical bioimpedance, automatic sphygmomanometry and continuous ECG recording. In each patient, the haemodynamic study was performed twice: at rest, i.e. before treatment; and after 10 days of treatment. On the same days in each patient, the haemodynamic tests were performed during physical exercises (handgrip stress and cycloergometer exercise). Caffeine and ephedrine had no haemodynamic effect in resting patients. These two drugs led to an increase in ejection fraction during cycloergometer exercise. Addition of yohimbine increased diastolic pressure and heart rate but decreased ejection fraction and stroke index during rest. We also observed that addition of yohimbine decreased ejection fraction during the handgrip and cycloergometer exercise and increased cardiac load during dynamic exercise. Pharmacological supplement of ephedrine and caffeine to a low caloric diet modified the cardiovascular system weakly, but the addition of yohimbine to this regimen attenuated cardiac performance during rest and handgrip and increased cardiac work during dynamic exercise.
The Historic PES Legend
06-08-2009, 02:48 PM
06-08-2009, 02:54 PM
Yohimbine does not affect fat distribution in men.
Department of Family and Community Medicine, Lancaster General Hospital, PA 17603.
Forty-seven men with a mean age of 42 years were assigned in random, double-blind fashion to treatment with either placebo or high-dose yohimbine (peak dose, 43 mg/day). Thirty-three subjects completed the six-month program. Variables assessed throughout the study included: body weight and body mass index; total cholesterol and HDL; body fat; and fat distribution as measured both by waist-to-hip ratio and by CT scan. Treatment with yohimbine had no effect on any variable in comparison with the control group.
The Historic PES Legend
06-08-2009, 02:59 PM
Anecdotally, in men with woman-like fat distribution, in a ketosis diet (no carbs), it does.
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06-08-2009, 09:52 PM
the study you posted was done on obese subjects, I am far from obese. Ive read studies, and B5150 can support me...that when at a lower bodyfat, Y will have more effect than A, unless I misread it
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06-08-2009, 11:35 PM
The Historic PES Legend
06-09-2009, 01:44 AM
Ive used ECA many times, both my own varying amounts and prepackaged stacks.
Likewise ive also used ECY many times combining them myself.
I have always found ECY to be superior, whether this is a mental paradigm ive created myself thinking Y must be better than A just well....because! lol
Either way, cutting for me is 90% a mind game, so ill take what ammo i can get.
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