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- 06-15-2009, 08:43 PM
yeah the guy in the video talks about tapering down to a low dose and the low dose to nothing has effects.
yes when you come off your going to have side effects. so say im doing 3 per day...I go two the next week and one the next week..(If i really need it a half a dose since this is strong stuff) then nothing while keeping the caffiene for a couple more weeks with l-tyrosine then after caffiene iis tapered down keeping the tyrosine..
everythings going to have side effects theres no way around it..this just gets your body used to them. Everyone keep us updated on how you come off and how many weeks it takes to reduce dosage and come off. I'll keep everyone updated..and remember evety bodies different so that was a general outline some people may be able to quit cold turkey and others may need a full six- eight weeks to stop,depending on the dose, while everything in between. just take it easy coming down for a smooth landing you dont want a jerky nervewracking landing so treat the dosing that way on Eca.Follow me on facebook, twitter and youtube, where I share information and videos to help you achieve your physique goals, John Smeton Ftness
- 06-15-2009, 10:40 PM
- 06-15-2009, 10:49 PM
06-15-2009, 11:47 PM
Ive asked this earlier in the thread . no-one said they did it. i dont see why it wouldnt be effective
has any person done 2 bronkaids in one dose?
heres my problem Im sensative to stimulants in general and like to dose twice a day, preferally earlier, four hours apart.
example say a person wants to take 3 per day and they dose two upon awaking and one four hours later (each with 200 mgs caffiene)
some one wants to take four per day(50 mgs per dose) and they dose it two, twice daily.
its taken me three weeks just to get up to two per day and I feel it. I've never been a big stimulant user, untill a couple years ago, and even still the effects are heavy. I say if you get too stimmed out give it time to increase dose and learn how the body works
Dark has a good outline of 1/2/3/4/3/2/1 if your used to stimulants but I couldnt do it like that as it was my first timke this time using eca and I had to increase 0.5 doses.
My guess is it takes time for your body to go up and down and too sudden of a dose isnt the best thing , so if your not familar with eca and pay attention to how your body is reacting.
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06-16-2009, 12:58 AM
06-16-2009, 02:06 AM
06-16-2009, 08:23 AM
I remember reading somewhere that for every 25mg of E you should be getting around 200mg of C - so I personally wouldn't want to take 50 of E and only 200 C, i'd suck it up and take 50 of E and 400 C. At which point, I think anyone no matter how stim tolerant you are would become extremely cracked out so to speak. I know i'd be wired like a mothertrucker.
06-16-2009, 10:02 AM
06-16-2009, 10:43 AM
guys if you really want to go ballz out,after 3 weeks of eca,add T2 hormone for the last 2 weeks,it will def get that last 6-8 lbs off.
I just started adding t2 a few days ago and I am soaked after 25min of walking on the tredmill.
06-16-2009, 10:49 AM
06-16-2009, 10:52 AM
06-16-2009, 10:57 AM
If you monitor your vitals pretty often, then some low dose T2 with ECA might be worthwhile.
The Historic PES Legend
06-16-2009, 11:36 AM
06-16-2009, 11:44 AM
06-16-2009, 11:49 AM
06-16-2009, 11:50 AM
06-16-2009, 12:00 PM
SAN has Thyrocuts 2, which is their version of T2. They also have something called T3 in the nutraplanet store.
Looks like adding T2 to ECA may be worth it after all, just seems like one would have to determine a safe, but yet effective dosage.
06-16-2009, 12:07 PM
06-16-2009, 02:12 PM
06-16-2009, 11:29 PM
06-17-2009, 12:12 AM
06-17-2009, 09:24 AM
Can't speak to Recreate as USP is kind of shady with their labeling IMO, however their products are still very effective.
06-17-2009, 10:21 AM
06-17-2009, 01:40 PM
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned adding L-tyrosine to their ECA stack. L-tyrosine is an amino acid used in the synthesis of adrenaline and noradrenaline.
06-17-2009, 06:42 PM
I bought July Md issue yesterday and Justin Harris talks about tyrosine. I have yet to read it. I know for a fact it's a precursor to dopamine. I used to take it for a good while alone, pre-workout and it works for sure.
I used it the other day with my eca stack.
I know with all the protein i get in im getting in tyrosine and I dont know if its the same effect as tyrosine alone.
Ive been in quite a few threads on tyrosine , on this board,you could search for that probally have a lot of information in them. as I used to use it before intense training sessions to amp myself up.
its something I like to keep handy.
06-17-2009, 07:58 PM
06-17-2009, 08:50 PM
06-17-2009, 09:13 PM
06-18-2009, 08:00 AM
well....interesting read. It clearly states that A isn't needed, A only has a significant fat loss in obese subjects, also says that Y works better, is safer, and even if not obese, still a good amount of fat loss
06-18-2009, 09:36 AM
That stack they propose is interesting. However, I'm going to continue with my ECA and add in the L-tyrosine to my dosing and see what happens.
06-18-2009, 09:48 AM
I dont fully understand the purpose of adding L-tyrosine, all I got was something about neuro-transmitters
06-18-2009, 12:59 PM
06-18-2009, 05:23 PM
I've read on here about people cycling on and off Eph, I read on PubMed that chronic use has shown increaced fat burning effects.
I want to try this out, but as I am going to go on a ph cycle soon I don't want my bp to be raised further so I am only going to use it for a few more weeks.
06-18-2009, 07:09 PM
06-18-2009, 07:34 PM
06-18-2009, 07:45 PM
Watch your vitals.. plaque build up can happen quick if there BP and heart rate are elevated.
The Historic PES Legend
06-18-2009, 08:27 PM
as for the aspirin, it is a NSAID which are known to slow protein synthesis:
This article tells you:
-Post exercise protein synthesis still occurs, though to a lesser degree, even with chronic NSAID use. Hypertrophy should follow the same pattern.
-NSAID use is a viable therapeutic option for relief of DOMS related pain and should be considered when soreness alters level of activity in daily tasks—don’t suffer needlessly for the benefit of your biceps.
So basically using NSAID may not be the best if you are trying to maximize skeletal muscle retention while cutting.
Hence why I chose Y,
And i found it good !
06-18-2009, 11:11 PM
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