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  1. I do Baby Asprin (1-2X a day) they're only 81mg...are you taking a full A?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    I do Baby Asprin (1-2X a day) they're only 81mg...are you taking a full A?
    Nope. just the baby aspirin. I take it every other day as the half life of aspirin is rather long; stays in your system for awhile. The days I don't take aspirin I drink a few cups of green tea.

    It would make sense to up your dosage of aspirin as you up your dosage of E and C.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Nope. just the baby aspirin. I take it every other day as the half life of aspirin is rather long; stays in your system for awhile. The days I don't take aspirin I drink a few cups of green tea.

    It would make sense to up your dosage of aspirin as you up your dosage of E and C.
    yes, but you only take one, EOD...doesnt correlate to what you just said (in bold)

  4. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    yes, but you only take one, EOD...doesnt correlate to what you just said (in bold)
    Right, because currently i'm only taking one pill of E and one pill of C. So when i up it to 2 pills of E and 2 pills of C, i'll take two pills of A EOD.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Right, because currently i'm only taking one pill of E and one pill of C. So when i up it to 2 pills of E and 2 pills of C, i'll take two pills of A EOD.
    Are you E caps, 12.5 or 25?

    Cause if you are taking 50mgs E, and 400 C... my lord, my heart would explode. I wouldnt be able to take the head tingles alone.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Are you E caps, 12.5 or 25?

    Cause if you are taking 50mgs E, and 400 C... my lord, my heart would explode. I wouldnt be able to take the head tingles alone.
    Im not sensitive to stims much. After getting the diet in check, even without feeling much from it, i still found ec effective at 25/200.

    If darkhalf is about to say he runs 50/400... my daring side to do everything to the extreme is kicking in and im going to have to try next time i stack it. Altho that seems like a pretty high dose if you plan on doing cardio or an intense wo. ie when i am cutting, i do alot of super sets etc

  7. my bad DarkHalf...
    after 4 weekd of ECA I felt incredible, once I got my diet down the fat seemed to just fall off! I wish I could run ECA or ECY for 12 weeks LOL

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Are you E caps, 12.5 or 25?

    Cause if you are taking 50mgs E, and 400 C... my lord, my heart would explode. I wouldnt be able to take the head tingles alone.
    The E is 25mg sulfate, and the C is 200mg. I've been dosing that daily since tuesday, and i've almost completely adjusted to it. This coming tuesday i'll up it to 50mg E, 400 C, and 2 baby aspirin (aspirin EOD). I'll continue to work my way up and assess my tolerance as necessary. Will only increase every 7 days at the earliest...and if I need more time to adjust to increased dosage then i'll take as much time as needed.

    Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    my bad DarkHalf...
    after 4 weekd of ECA I felt incredible, once I got my diet down the fat seemed to just fall off! I wish I could run ECA or ECY for 12 weeks LOL
    I'm doing a modified CKD diet that palumbo came up with for evan centropani. So i've got the diet down, going to run it for a few more weeks and then start an 8 week epi/11-oxo bridge.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I'm doing a modified CKD diet that palumbo came up with for evan centropani. So i've got the diet down, going to run it for a few more weeks and then start an 8 week epi/11-oxo bridge.
    I'm just trying to get cut up before I do my Hdrol/Furango cycle...

  10. Hmm.. This has got me thinking ... I was going to do a clen cycle but now I might got with this

  11. Quote Originally Posted by bftiedt View Post
    Hmm.. This has got me thinking ... I was going to do a clen cycle but now I might got with this
    I've heard that people have almost equivalent results on both ECA and clen. Go to CVS or Walgreens they have everything you need.

  12. Any links or guides on all I need or what brands work best?

  13. this may be a dumb question, but why is it you can run clen for a longer amount of time than ECA/ECY???

  14. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    this may be a dumb question, but why is it you can run clen for a longer amount of time than ECA/ECY???
    I think it's all based on personal preference and how your body responds to the compounds. They both act on the same pathways from what I understand. I wouldn't run ECA for more than 8 weeks (4 weeks to work up a tolerance and then 4 weeks to ween yourself off).

  15. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I think it's all based on personal preference and how your body responds to the compounds. They both act on the same pathways from what I understand. I wouldn't run ECA for more than 8 weeks (4 weeks to work up a tolerance and then 4 weeks to ween yourself off).
    thats what Im thinking...6-8 weeks. r u still running it?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    thats what Im thinking...6-8 weeks. r u still running it?
    I'm midway into week 2. Great appetite supression, energy, and body temp is up (which it should be).

  17. yea, I miss it, it was like crack, once your off of it you realize the effect lol

  18. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    this may be a dumb question, but why is it you can run clen for a longer amount of time than ECA/ECY???
    clen shuts down your receptors in less than 2 weeks,its very strong and your body adjusts fast.

    Thats why poeple used to do 1 week eca 1 week clen.

    Iv never heard of anyone doing clen for over 3 weeks,eca on the other hand works past 8 weeks of use.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by KgTomCat View Post
    yea, I miss it, it was like crack, once your off of it you realize the effect lol
    keep taking the caffeine and maybe slowly lower the caff dosing and transitioning or bridging it with l-tyrosine untill your taking tyrosine alone. Then maybe cut down on tyrosine if you like

    cold turkey would cause uncomfortable sides. ive done it cold turkey and it took about a full week to feel normal again. the above is a better option
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea View Post
    keep taking the caffeine and maybe slowly lower the caff dosing and transitioning or bridging it with l-tyrosine untill your taking tyrosine alone. Then maybe cut down on tyrosine if you like

    cold turkey would cause uncomfortable sides. ive done it cold turkey and it took about a full week to feel normal again. the above is a better option
    yea I stopped cold turkey and when I started eating carbs again, I had insane hunger pains, next time Ill taper off more efficient

  21. Quote Originally Posted by alexoc949 View Post
    I did, disagree.

    but for 1. i never quoted you or said hey smeethon I'm talking to you.

    number 2. you probably should have learned to warm up and stretch more efficiently, and be more in tune with your body as to when to and when not to push yourself beyond a certain limit. Happens often with amateur lifters

    number 3. she is 5'4 205 female. I'll say it again, female. I'm not asking her to race herself into injuries like you did. Or even do any sort of high intensity cardio. I'm saying she needs to strive to improve her physical fitness by upping her intensity. Improving just a little every or every other workout. Low intensity walking is not going to do it, She needs to push herself so that what was low intensity 2 weeks ago is a cake walk today.

    number 4. HITT training burns too much muscle when you don't have the adequate nutrients running through your system, or if you do 45 minutes of it like you did and burn yourself out. So your opinion on it is understandable. Ideally you would want to do half the time.

    number 5. i don't know if she is a football player or not, but judging by her goals I'm going to guess no, or unless she wants to be a wide receiver
    Hate to veer this off track again, but I have to agree, and it's a shame HIIT is being presented this way, and was never intended to be run for 45min at a time and certainly not 6x a week. Sprinting definitely has helped me and I doubt I will ever use low intensity cardio again. GPP and HIIT are superb for all aspects of conditioning, Vo2, fat loss while sparing muscle. Smeton, have you done GPP and do you consider that to be catabolic to muscle? I feel like if you supplement correctly, HIIT and GPP can be very effective while sparing muscle and increasing metabolism far greater than low intensity cardio (just from personal experience).

    Back on topic, and forgive my ignorance but the point of aspirin in the stack is to keep cAMP levels elevated, so are you saying since the 1/2life of aspirin is pretty long (according to the profile on wiki a 300-600mg dose is only 3.5+- hours) it doesn't really matter if 81mg is taken or 325mg?

  22. Ok ill come off the sideline on this one....


    If you want to do the eca stack just do it look up the info there is alot out there on it...

    all the variants of it look at it like this jacking off is good but sex is better go for the real thing.....

    I have used this website for years now.....


    dne-ephedrine.com

    fax them 2 forms of id and you can buy as much ephedrine as your state will allow you to have...After you fax you info i just called them i couldn't find a defined answer for AZ...I also put in an order for what i wanted and they only charged and sent what i could have i don't know if they still do it.....

    I also buy my caffine from them too its cheap for the pills....

    Oh yeah for AZ you can only get the bolt ephedrine formula 200 x2 boxs i don't know how frequently you can order but i do this every few months on and off....

    Since i dont have enough posts it won't let me post a link but search dne-ephedrine and thats the site i use...



    Your Welcome...

  23. Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    Ok ill come off the sideline on this one....


    If you want to do the eca stack just do it look up the info there is alot out there on it...

    all the variants of it look at it like this jacking off is good but sex is better go for the real thing.....

    I have used this website for years now.....


    dne-ephedrine.com

    fax them 2 forms of id and you can buy as much ephedrine as your state will allow you to have...After you fax you info i just called them i couldn't find a defined answer for AZ...I also put in an order for what i wanted and they only charged and sent what i could have i don't know if they still do it.....

    I also buy my caffine from them too its cheap for the pills....

    Oh yeah for AZ you can only get the bolt ephedrine formula 200 x2 boxs i don't know how frequently you can order but i do this every few months on and off....

    Since i dont have enough posts it won't let me post a link but search dne-ephedrine and thats the site i use...



    Your Welcome...
    Using this method will still cost you more than going to walgreens or CVS, and you don't have to fax them two photo IDs. Walgreens and CVS have bronkaid, no doze, and bayer which is all you need. This website sells you the same **** and it's more expensive.

    I bought 2 boxes of bronkaid, 1 bottle of no doze, and 1 bottle of bayer for about 40 bucks.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    Using this method will still cost you more than going to walgreens or CVS, and you don't have to fax them two photo IDs. Walgreens and CVS have bronkaid, no doze, and bayer which is all you need. This website sells you the same **** and it's more expensive.

    I bought 2 boxes of bronkaid, 1 bottle of no doze, and 1 bottle of bayer for about 40 bucks.

    I was unaware we were splitting hairs and pinching pennies!!

    However since we are splitting hairs...i never said 2 photo ids and if you would have checked the website and read on any of the order pages under the amount this disclaimer is clearly there ill paste it for your convience...

    California
    Outside of the United States

    Any and all orders requesting a shipment into one of these areas will be cancelled.

    Federal and state regulations limit shipments of ephedrine and ephedrine products. Please be aware that this could impact the quantity and / or type of ephedrine products that we are able to ship to you. If you have questions, please feel free to call 1-800-221-1833 prior to ordering. In addition, two (2) valid forms of identification and a completed identification form are required in order to receive ephedrine products.

    Please click on the following link for the identification form and submission instructions:


    DNE Identification Form

    Also for penny pinching i guess some people are looking for the cheapest way...As for myself i value my time and would rather it be shipped to me for my convience or lazy ass however you look at it neither of us are wrong on that one....but before we blindly bash one way of getting around the barn please note that theres lots of ways around the barn but we get to the same place.....keep being frugel it will pay off in the long run!!!

  25. i ordered online from a site and they didnt want anyform of id.I posted it somewhere in this thread.

    I went with rapid action because its 25mg of hci not sulf and has half the q in it.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    I was unaware we were splitting hairs and pinching pennies!!

    However since we are splitting hairs...i never said 2 photo ids and if you would have checked the website and read on any of the order pages under the amount this disclaimer is clearly there ill paste it for your convience...

    California
    Outside of the United States

    Any and all orders requesting a shipment into one of these areas will be cancelled.

    Federal and state regulations limit shipments of ephedrine and ephedrine products. Please be aware that this could impact the quantity and / or type of ephedrine products that we are able to ship to you. If you have questions, please feel free to call 1-800-221-1833 prior to ordering. In addition, two (2) valid forms of identification and a completed identification form are required in order to receive ephedrine products.

    Please click on the following link for the identification form and submission instructions:


    DNE Identification Form

    Also for penny pinching i guess some people are looking for the cheapest way...As for myself i value my time and would rather it be shipped to me for my convience or lazy ass however you look at it neither of us are wrong on that one....but before for blindly bash one way of getting around the barn please note that theres lots of ways around the barn but we get to the same place.....keep being frugel it will pay off in the long run!!!
    You need to get up off your high horse there tanto. You obviously have a damn interest in said useless ass company, so get up off of it.

    Cheaper, and no shipping at walgreens... same ephedrine, why in the world would you pay more? And if you are humping on being lazy, you are on the wrong forum there turbo.

    Adams
    The Historic PES Legend

  27. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You need to get up off your high horse there tanto. You obviously have a damn interest in said useless ass company, so get up off of it.

    Cheaper, and no shipping at walgreens... same ephedrine, why in the world would you pay more? And if you are humping on being lazy, you are on the wrong forum there turbo.

    Adams
    My point exactly.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    You need to get up off your high horse there tanto. You obviously have a damn interest in said useless ass company, so get up off of it.

    Cheaper, and no shipping at walgreens... same ephedrine, why in the world would you pay more? And if you are humping on being lazy, you are on the wrong forum there turbo.

    Adams
    No high horse i just don't like to be bashed for nothing if i have it coming then ill take it i was offering an option and since its not the one you like you argue.....

    I have no interest in the company other than they have supplied me products when i have ordered them in a timely fashion...

    "humping on being lazy" If you must know im watching a couple stocks i have an interest in one is palm im hoping for decent gains on the release of the pre phone i do have a bit of money riding on that investment...as for lazy not me my man i have already ran 3 miles in an average time and took my son to school and waiting for 10 to come around for 2 clients to show up for mma training then ill nap and do my p.m. session around 4-5 this is a normal day for me...oh yeah i like to take 1 day off every 8-10 depending on how i feel...

    I hope your day is going well it seems not since you would rather argue then just take the information for what it is if it doesnt appeal to you thats fine it will help someone...since you have alot of time on your hands also you should search ...masakatsu agatsu for the meaning you might find it interesting....



    Skratch can you post the website name or link i missed it when i went through the posts...thanks

  29. Quote Originally Posted by point312 View Post
    No high horse i just don't like to be bashed for nothing if i have it coming then ill take it i was offering an option and since its not the one you like you argue.....

    I have no interest in the company other than they have supplied me products when i have ordered them in a timely fashion...

    "humping on being lazy" If you must know im watching a couple stocks i have an interest in one is palm im hoping for decent gains on the release of the pre phone i do have a bit of money riding on that investment...as for lazy not me my man i have already ran 3 miles in an average time and took my son to school and waiting for 10 to come around for 2 clients to show up for mma training then ill nap and do my p.m. session around 4-5 this is a normal day for me...oh yeah i like to take 1 day off every 8-10 depending on how i feel...

    I hope your day is going well it seems not since you would rather argue then just take the information for what it is if it doesnt appeal to you thats fine it will help someone...since you have alot of time on your hands also you should search ...masakatsu agatsu for the meaning you might find it interesting....


    Actually, you retorted in a negative fashion to someone that was just trying to give you help/advice. Your demeanor in response to a simple informational post was confrontational and condescending. Reread, the back and forth.
    The Historic PES Legend

  30. Clen for 4 weeks then ECA for 4 weeks and go back and forth till results are achieved.
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