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- 05-26-2009, 01:18 PM
1. ideally i think its a 1to 10 ratio of e to c. so for every 10mg of ephedrine its 100mg caffeine. i use 24mg e hcl with a 200mg tab of caffeine. asprin is supposed to be the same ratio but i think the 84mg baby apsrin are recommended to avoid stomach issues.
2. caffine is just sold in tabs, nutraplanet.com has the prolab ones for pretty cheap, thats where i got mine. you could drink coffee/green tea etc for it but the tabs are just more efficient
3. the caffeine tabs split easily and the baby asprin is already small, as is the ephedrine
results, i cant really help u here, like u said its all dependent. if ur diet and traning are already in good shape then it will help. if nothing else it gave me the energy to do longer cardio sessions and be more active, that led to some fat loss on its own.
- 05-26-2009, 03:09 PM
Also have you considered possibly going on a low carb diet to switch things up?
05-26-2009, 03:56 PM
2. I buy everything I need for ECA at CVS. Bronkaid, Caffeine, and Bayer. I'm sure you can also score everything you need at a Walgreens or Walmart.
3. You should not have any need to crush these pills as they are relatively small and easy to swallow.
05-26-2009, 04:33 PM
For my cardio, I do about 45 minutes... I average about 17 minute miles for 45 minutes... my speed stays between 3.2-3.5mph with a few spurts of jogging at 5mph for about 1-2 minutes each. I believe my cals burned are (according to the calculator on sparkpeople.com) around 200ish. Wow that's pretty embarrassing... what's more embarrassing is that I worked my way up from doing 20 minutes at 2.5-2.7mph!
I tried low carb but it was hell on my body. I have never had such bad constipation... and I was taking a fiber supplement. I was taking miralax every day and I was miserable. My carbs were at about 20g per day then. Right now I keep it at around 40-60g a day.
Feel free to offer more suggestions as I could really use them. People in the support group are die hard about sticking to what the nutritionist and surgeon tell them.... but those things aren't working for me and my doc has no interest in doing anything else or offering any other options/suggestions unless my average drops below 1lb a week.
05-26-2009, 05:17 PM
That's what I would work on. Calories I guess I would keep the same to see what happens with intensifying your cardio, but still would have one day a week where you upped your cals
05-26-2009, 05:36 PM
I know if your a bigger guy and over 25 too much excessive ground cardio for weeks and monbths at a time,starts taking its toll on the hips, knees. Morever, it also burns muscle if done high intensity. if your a marathon runner fine, bodybuilders though should keep it at a moderate-lower pace and longer time..especially if your an immediate bodybuiler/more advanced.
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05-26-2009, 06:06 PM
05-27-2009, 09:41 AM
05-27-2009, 10:22 AM
17 min mile is perfect for burning fat,thats where I keep my speed on cutting.Try to up the cals just a little if your getting tired doing the workouts.
Im on my second week of eca and Im eating alot but doing major workouts,I did a double yesterday 2x50 min walks and did chest in the am and night.
You can get away with one dose of eca for the first 3-4 days,when I start I get a huge rush and it lasts almost all day,I could never take a second dose in the first few days.
Also try and use ephedrine hci its way more potant and is what was used to make the stack.I also take asprin every few days since it stays in you for a while.
good luck on your way to your goals,the eca will def help out if everything else is in check.
05-27-2009, 10:31 AM
05-27-2009, 12:56 PM
05-27-2009, 01:35 PM
Thanks everyone! I was almost afraid to post because some forums tend to chew noobs with stupid questions to pieces.
05-27-2009, 01:54 PM
I gotta disagree with all this walking talk and low intensity cardio. You need to keep pushing yourself. While low low intensity cardio might be ideal for a 220lb bodybuilder who is solid and needs to drop 3-4% bf, while being precise with diet and strength training...there are different strokes for different folks.
You need to get yourself in shape and drop weight. In my opinion, low intensity walking is not the cup of tea that should be in your pot.
Above someone said you have to crawl before you can walk, this is true. So you'll have to walk before you can jog. How you keep pushing yourself is by working on improving your cardio performance in some way. So say 45 minutes is your baseline. Ways to improve is by increasing your walking speed by point one mph. That is an improvement over your previous workout. Another way, if you're walking and then jogging you can shorten the time between walking and jogging by 15 seconds in a workout.. or every time you jog you can extend the amount of time that you jog for 10 seconds.
My advice is to keep striving to get better and to improve some aspect over your previous workout. It won't happen every time, but if that is your goal it will continuously happen. It really keeps you more motivated and gives you more of a sense of accomplishment.
05-27-2009, 03:39 PM
Disagree with it if you like, but it's scientifically proven that lower intensity cardio will burn more calories from fat (but less calories overall) and spare muscle.
Stellar, you can keep pushing yourself by simply adding 5 minutes per week to your low intensity cardio. Start with 20 mins per week. When you hit 40 mins per week, split that into two sessions (one upon waking and one after your resistance training) This is a pretty good method to lose the weight in a slow and controlled manner and be in shape in the time frame that you are currently looking at. Feel free to PM me if you have any questions or need help with diet/training.
That being said, lets get back on topic kiddies. We are here to talk about ECA.
05-27-2009, 04:07 PM
I'm not sure if you're reading her posts or not, but she is 5'4 205lbs and is already doing 45 minutes of low intensity cardio. I'm not denying that low intensity burns more calories from fat during a workout. High intensity burns more calories et al more fat at rest and speeds up the metabolism throughout the day. Both things that this persons needs. I'm not telling her to do HIIT, or to do high intensity cardio. I'm telling her to step up her intensity and to constantly work at improving her fitness by improving her output.
You're basically just telling her to do the exact same thing that she has been doing, but that is no longer producing the type of results that she seeks.
05-27-2009, 04:16 PM
05-27-2009, 06:13 PM
High intensity cardio constantly burns too much muscle. get your bodyfat in check year round and its no worries....if your a football player improving spints, fine... after pulling my hamstrong running hard I said screw it.do what works for you!
remember younger lighter guys it most likely wont be a problem. whatever your goals are .
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05-27-2009, 08:05 PM
05-27-2009, 09:34 PM
but for 1. i never quoted you or said hey smeethon I'm talking to you.
number 2. you probably should have learned to warm up and stretch more efficiently, and be more in tune with your body as to when to and when not to push yourself beyond a certain limit. Happens often with amateur lifters
number 3. she is 5'4 205 female. I'll say it again, female. I'm not asking her to race herself into injuries like you did. Or even do any sort of high intensity cardio. I'm saying she needs to strive to improve her physical fitness by upping her intensity. Improving just a little every or every other workout. Low intensity walking is not going to do it, She needs to push herself so that what was low intensity 2 weeks ago is a cake walk today.
number 4. HITT training burns too much muscle when you don't have the adequate nutrients running through your system, or if you do 45 minutes of it like you did and burn yourself out. So your opinion on it is understandable. Ideally you would want to do half the time.
number 5. i don't know if she is a football player or not, but judging by her goals I'm going to guess no, or unless she wants to be a wide receiver
05-27-2009, 11:33 PM
3.Diet is the most important thing for her. In fact she gets her diet shell lose bodyfat(and keep a good amount of muscle with high protein) without having to do any cardio. Most people its hard to give up a daily apple pie ,cupcake, and snickers. I know it was hard for mee, again, when you have a goal to work toward its really not that difficult.
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05-28-2009, 12:42 AM
A solid diet is something you learn to do, it's not something that occurs overnight. It's a matter of how much she wants to lose the weight to whether or not she'll be able to hold up by drinking a Diet Dr. Pepper instead of Dr. Pepper or so on. Cardio definitely is NOT a must and a huge chunk of weight can be taken off without any of it. Too often I think people think if they do cardio it'll ok the big mac they ate before that but i'd rather see someone just eat right consistently, watch there carbs at night, and not quit after a week before they have a chance to see progress.
05-28-2009, 01:48 AM
05-28-2009, 02:07 AM
05-28-2009, 02:09 AM
It's not rocket science people, losing weight means eating less calories than your body needs to run, thus in turn burning fat/muscle or whatever it needs to get you through the day. The only time it gets tricky is when you are trying to keep your body from using muscle while burning the fat, the rest is cake.
05-28-2009, 11:09 AM
Thanks again for the exercise tips. Wow with so many different opinions it's hard to figure out what's best. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the overall consensus is to continue working harder- not to become a marathon runner, but add some speed, increase incline (which I haven't done yet, it's on flat and an incline would definitely add some challenge), and maybe break it up into two sessions (which I've read in other places as well).
ECA side note & Q- I can't believe this, but I lost 5lbs (water weight I suppose) in ONE DAY. I've been sweating more too... this is normal, right?
Just to clarify- my diet is good. I've spent a lot of time browsing this site and links to articles and such. I've followed diets similar to what is suggested here and on the links (4-5 small meals, increased calories, plenty of complex carbs, square meals, etc). My usual diet isn't bad, but by the looks of my results thus far something needs to change. I'm going to add planned snacks between meals, eat more calories, do a lot more strength training (and more intense... time to dust off the ole weight bench), and take in a lot more protein (was at at ~60g, increasing to ~100g per day). My eating habits and knowledge of how to eat are good... and I've kicked my bad habits months ago.... my biggest problem is getting my horrible metabolism in order. Thanks to you folks and all of the advice I've read in these forums, I am confident I'll be able to do so in a fairly short amount of time.
Now back to your regularly scheduled ECA discussion....
05-28-2009, 11:58 AM
I do walking for cardio,I never run and Im down 15 lbs in 3 and a half weeks and all my lifts are the same,I havnt lost any strenght at all.
I do 5 min increases one on the incline and one on the speed every 5 min until I get around 50 min or so,by the 25 min I am soaked in sweat.
Some times I do this 2x a day and on an empty stomach in the am.
05-28-2009, 03:06 PM
Sweating your a$$ off is your body's way of saying that the ephedra is doing it's job. That 5lb loss is in fact water weight, probably loss from the ephedra and any changes you've made in your diet.
05-28-2009, 06:48 PM
hey guys, i've been dosing my ECA once a day (A every other). Do you guys recommend upping the A dosage when I start taking two tabs of E and C each day?
05-28-2009, 06:52 PM
id say stick to one a dose just to be safe if ur running eca for a while?
05-28-2009, 07:24 PM
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