[ndnguy85]

i have read a gazillion threads here via searching..and i want a final opinion on which to order.

i seen a common theme with the following ones.

dcp + stimulant (leviathan, lean xtreme)
recreate
recreate+dcp
dcp by itself

so out of all these what would you guys recommend for me? money is lil bit of an issue being a college student.

my info:
i am at 13-14% bf. i want to get down to around 10-11%.
i do an upper/lower split twice a week.
my macros are 40-30-30 (pro-carb-fat).

everytime i decide to buy one thing..i read another thread or review..so any opinion would be helpful. thanks

[liquid]

I like the DCP + Recreate combo

[dsade]

DCP by itself or either DCP/LR - DCP/Recreate has returned by far the most positive results I have seen in a long time.

DCP will not be in stock for long, though...we are having some massive supply and production issues and the stock Nutra has is extremely limited.

[Cerberus]

Bronkaid+Caffeine+L-Tyrosine = nice and effective. Stack it with some yohimbine HCL throughout the day, or all at one shot in the morning w/ fasted cardio ... good combo.

If you don't want to go the ephedrine route ...

I've had people do very well on the following stacks. To each his own due to tolerance levels for such compounds:
Yohimbine HCL + Caffeine
DCP + Yohimbine HCL
DCP + Lev Reloaded

Never had anyone or myself try Recreate. Can't comment.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

Bronkaid+Caffeine+L-Tyrosine = nice and effective. Stack it with some yohimbine HCL throughout the day, or all at one shot in the morning w/ fasted cardio ... good combo.

If you don't want to go the ephedrine route ...

I've had people do very well on the following stacks. To each his own due to tolerance levels for such compounds:
Yohimbine HCL + Caffeine
DCP + Yohimbine HCL
DCP + Lev Reloaded

Never had anyone or myself try Recreate. Can't comment.

Some have a profound sensitivity to Y and E together, and I find the Sulfate form to be even more pronounced with side effects.

[ndnguy85]

Originally Posted by dsade

DCP by itself or either DCP/LR - DCP/Recreate has returned by far the most positive results I have seen in a long time.

DCP will not be in stock for long, though...we are having some massive supply and production issues and the stock Nutra has is extremely limited.

ya i saw it came back in stock today afternoon because i was looking around yesterday and it wasnt in stock.

your avatar is engraved in my mind..i seen it all over the place in a bunch of threads. lol

and cerberus i think it was you who was arguing about meal frequency or something with someone.

DCP is $39
DCP/LR is $58
DCP/Recreate is $77

with price in mind, and me not lookin for the ultra shredded look right now, does it eliminate any of those choices?

[liquid]

I tried a sample of LR previously, it was not bad. But truthfully, I prefer Recreate. It is just my personal preference. Either way, you have to pick up DCP. If pricing is the issue, just go to something that is lesser in price.

Originally Posted by dsade

DCP by itself or either DCP/LR - DCP/Recreate has returned by far the most positive results I have seen in a long time.

[Cerberus]

Originally Posted by dsade

Some have a profound sensitivity to Y and E together, and I find the Sulfate form to be even more pronounced with side effects.

Oh indeed. But if you can tolerate it, I think it's the winner imho.

ndnguy ... why don't you outline your training and nutritional regimen you are following right now. Include body weight and pictures if you can. It can help a lot. Maybe you can get to where you need without any supplements?

DCP by itself is fine, but if your looking for something that works and is cheap ... ephedrine is cheap. Or again, if you don't want to go that route, yohimbine+caffeine is tried and true. It doesn't see super well because it's cheap to source. So it doesn't get the hype like other products.

I will stand by DCP though. It works good. To say it works better than E+C or E+C+Y ... I don't think so. But, everyone reacts different to these compounds. I typically lock in people's diet and training first, then look at cheap supplements that generally work ... then we look at more elusive supplements if needed. Some people just like taking more expensive supplements. They adhere to other things better as well. i.e. people spending $50.00 on some sexy bottled whey isolate when they could get it for $20.00, but with a bland bottle and no sexy marketing.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

Oh indeed. But if you can tolerate it, I think it's the winner imho.

ndnguy ... why don't you outline your training and nutritional regimen you are following right now. Include body weight and pictures if you can. It can help a lot. Maybe you can get to where you need without any supplements?

DCP by itself is fine, but if your looking for something that works and is cheap ... ephedrine is cheap. Or again, if you don't want to go that route, yohimbine+caffeine is tried and true. It doesn't see super well because it's cheap to source. So it doesn't get the hype like other products.

I will stand by DCP though. It works good. To say it works better than E+C or E+C+Y ... I don't think so. But, everyone reacts different to these compounds. I typically lock in people's diet and training first, then look at cheap supplements that generally work ... then we look at more elusive supplements if needed. Some people just like taking more expensive supplements. They adhere to other things better as well. i.e. people spending $50.00 on some sexy bottled whey isolate when they could get it for $20.00, but with a bland bottle and no sexy marketing.

Oh absolutely. I specifically designed DCP to be used with stims and stacked in as many creative ways as the mind and market allows.

Green Tea, Forskolin, E/C/A/Y - all standalone ingredients that work well, not to mention the other formulated products available which can even be further added in. The guinea pig instinct is strong with this board, especially.

[Trauma1]

DCP/ReCreate was a good stack. It did the job very well overall. I personally liked DCP/H.E.A.T. Stack the best though. Leviathan Re-loaded is also a very effective product to stack with DCP.

If you like topical lipolytic products, avant's "Napalm" is some amazing stuff. It would stack well also with anything i've already suggested.

[Cerberus]

btw, dsade ... since DCP is back instock, are you going to get PLCAR in bulk back on NP? Pump the price up to $35-40 bucks for 100 grams. I don't give a sh*t. I'll pay for 1kilo!

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

I personally liked DCP/H.E.A.T. Stack

If you like topical lipolytic products, avant's "Napalm" is some amazing stuff. It would stack well also with anything i've already suggested.

Ahh...a product I designed solo along with a product I codesigned for Avant.

Actually, since it hasn't been available, I keep forgetting how awesome HEAT stack is/was. Time to hit my suppliers for more Alpha-Y again.

And yes, combining any oral fat burner with Napalm will help target fatloss areas pretty dramatically.

[dsade]

Originally Posted by Cerberus

btw, dsade ... since DCP is back instock, are you going to get PLCAR in bulk back on NP? Pump the price up to $35-40 bucks for 100 grams. I don't give a sh*t. I'll pay for 1kilo!

I can obtain the material, but the cost is sky high right now, due to the main factories being out of stock.

I have around 10 kilos placed aside for the rest of the product line that uses PLCAR (atomic Meltdown, Flawless, etc.), but I can't supply Nutra right now.

However, I might go ahead and pick some of the material stocks left over from July (unfortunately at 50% higher cost) and make a carnitine powder for RPNs new Core line. Salvia caps will also be coming.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by dsade

Ahh...a product I designed solo along with a product I codesigned for Avant.