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    Quote Originally Posted by ndnguy85 View Post
    i am 23.5
    you know a child has grown up when he stops counting his age past whole numbers lol. j\k

    so how's the bulk coming?

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    As far as "fat burners" go ECA/ECY is where it at.

    DCP is a fat metabolizer, but dont get me wrong, i hear it works well.

    I have been having great results with the ol' fashioned ECY stack. Losin lb's like its cool and keeps my energy high while im cuttin calories. I do kinda feel cracked out sometimes but i think the results are worth it. Also its alot cheaper and more effective than other fat burners.

    I really think ECY is the way to go in the world of fat burners and it's what im gonna stick to whenever im on a cut.

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    dcp is a fat mobilizer or metabolizer...... i cant remeber. I know it's a fatty acid that helps release adipose fattty crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummaboyzl View Post
    you know a child has grown up when he stops counting his age past whole numbers lol. j\k

    so how's the bulk coming?
    got the diet down. gained about 2lbs in a month. about where i wanted to be. dont see any visible muscular changes yet..but i did notice a slight fat gain in the top ab area. about 0.25 inches. nothing major.

    strength has increased but i guess that's expected since i was coming off a cut.

    i am trying to get the training down. i do an upper/lower split. trying to figure out the best rep range for me. also experimenting with pyramid sets. any input is appreciated.

    bench press - 5 sets (15,12,10,8,6)
    dumbbell row - 5 sets (15,12,10,8,6)
    side deltoid - 2-3sets
    ez bar curl - 4 sets
    db tricep extension - 3 sets
    traps - 2-3 sets
    rear delts - 2 sets

    everything else is 8-12 reps.
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    little overzealous in your benching endeavors if u ask me. If your gonna do pyramids, cut it down to 3 sets (12, 10,8 (for starters)). or you could 5x5 it for some good strength gains. Really all u r doing is burning yourself out. I would wait to train that hard after you've got some solid training years under your belt.

    Make sure your protien intake is high!

    Are you trying to bulk up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    little overzealous in your benching endeavors if u ask me. If your gonna do pyramids, cut it down to 3 sets (12, 10,8 (for starters)). or you could 5x5 it for some good strength gains. Really all u r doing is burning yourself out. I would wait to train that hard after you've got some solid training years under your belt.

    Make sure your protien intake is high!

    Are you trying to bulk up?
    well i started couple of years ago. but i have spent majority of the time cutting. what happens is once i lose the fat..then something happens where i get busy with school or i just stop going or i attempt a bulk..haha. and then i get motivated to get back into shape and starts cutting all over again.

    i have done max-ot with great results in terms of strength. HST didnt quite yield the results i was looking for. maybe i should have did more sets but i didnt want to stray too far from the program since they recommended 1-2 sets.

    considering all i do is 1 exercise for 5 sets 2x a week and not to failure (rep or two short)..i dont see how i am overtraining.

    i think i already wore out any newbie gains i could have gotten a long time ago.

    protein is ~200g a day. i weigh 140..lean mass is probably ~120.

    ya i am trying to bulk up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    As far as "fat burners" go ECA/ECY is where it at.

    DCP is a fat metabolizer, but dont get me wrong, i hear it works well.

    I have been having great results with the ol' fashioned ECY stack. Losin lb's like its cool and keeps my energy high while im cuttin calories. I do kinda feel cracked out sometimes but i think the results are worth it. Also its alot cheaper and more effective than other fat burners.

    I really think ECY is the way to go in the world of fat burners and it's what im gonna stick to whenever im on a cut.

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    ya and the ECY stack is caffeine based as well....


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    Week 4-6: 12-15 reps 3-4 sets - Definition
    Week 7-9: 1-3 reps 5 sets - Power
    Week 10-12: 8-10 reps 3 sets
    *now those amount of sets are for the major lifts/muscle groups....dont overwork the minor ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    eat horse heart 3x a day. You will consume it's soul and becometh a champion centaur!


    j/j
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    so i found some products i wanted to try on my next cut lasting maximum of about 12 weeks.

    DCP -- going to get 2 bottles of this for sure when i can

    Lean Xtreme - want to at least get a bottle of this

    Napalm - one of this for the last few weeks

    Recreate -- still not sold on this

    Reduction - want to try this also

    Leviathan Reloaded - def want to try this

    Green Tea - not sure on where to add this since of the products have something similar to it added

    CLA - not sure

    any advice on what and how long to stack some of them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndnguy85 View Post
    so i found some products i wanted to try on my next cut lasting maximum of about 12 weeks.

    DCP -- going to get 2 bottles of this for sure when i can
    you can run DCP for 2-3 months straight before taking a break

    Lean Xtreme - want to at least get a bottle of this
    best used in cycles of 4 weeks

    Napalm - one of this for the last few weeks
    You got it...last few weeks.

    Recreate -- still not sold on this

    Reduction - want to try this also
    not sure on these
    Leviathan Reloaded - def want to try this
    stacks infinitely well with DCP, and can be run as well 1-2 months.

    Green Tea - not sure on where to add this since of the products have something similar to it added
    You can and should run this as a staple
    CLA - not sure
    good stuff at 6 grams a day
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    you can run DCP for 2-3 months straight before taking a break

    best used in cycles of 4 weeks

    You got it...last few weeks.

    not sure on these

    stacks infinitely well with DCP, and can be run as well 1-2 months.

    You can and should run this as a staple
    good stuff at 6 grams a day
    wow good info.

    dcp/LR - first 4 weeks
    dcp/LX - next 4
    dcp/napalm - last weeks

    continous - green tea, and cla

    how am i coming along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndnguy85 View Post
    wow good info.

    dcp/LR - first 4 weeks
    dcp/LX - next 4
    dcp/napalm - last weeks

    continous - green tea, and cla

    how am i coming along?
    Looks like an excellent stack...running the LX towards the end of your cut will help preserve muscle, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Looks like an excellent stack...running the LX towards the end of your cut will help preserve muscle, too.
    oh ok. i wasnt sure if i should add the lx in the beginning or end..but now i know.

    in that case it's probably best to do this.

    dcp/LR - first 8 weeks
    dcp/LX/napalm - finishing weeks

    continous - green tea, and CLA

    other products like recreate..i just can't convince myself to spend 40 bucks on that. i hate over advertisement and hype. always a let down for me. "23 ways to burn fat"...youtube videos of guys reading scripts etc.

    all i have is about 10lbs to lose to get to a six pack..so i am looking forward to starting this as soon as my activate/stoked bulk is done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndnguy85 View Post
    oh ok. i wasnt sure if i should add the lx in the beginning or end..but now i know.

    in that case it's probably best to do this.

    dcp/LR - first 8 weeks
    dcp/LX/napalm - finishing weeks

    continous - green tea, and CLA

    other products like recreate..i just can't convince myself to spend 40 bucks on that. i hate over advertisement and hype. always a let down for me. "23 ways to burn fat"...youtube videos of guys reading scripts etc.

    all i have is about 10lbs to lose to get to a six pack..so i am looking forward to starting this as soon as my activate/stoked bulk is done.
    I agree with this stack...should be VERY pleased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummaboyzl View Post
    was going to rep you for the funny comment but changed my mind when i saw your avi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndnguy85 View Post
    oh ok. i wasnt sure if i should add the lx in the beginning or end..but now i know.

    in that case it's probably best to do this.

    dcp/LR - first 8 weeks
    dcp/LX/napalm - finishing weeks

    continous - green tea, and CLA

    other products like recreate..i just can't convince myself to spend 40 bucks on that. i hate over advertisement and hype. always a let down for me. "23 ways to burn fat"...youtube videos of guys reading scripts etc.

    all i have is about 10lbs to lose to get to a six pack..so i am looking forward to starting this as soon as my activate/stoked bulk is done.
    i lost 10 lbs and 2% bf in a month with REDuction and VERY strict diet =D

    ..just saying. i can vouch for that one
    best of luck with your stack
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummaboyzl View Post
    i lost 10 lbs and 2% bf in a month with REDuction and VERY strict diet =D

    ..just saying. i can vouch for that one
    best of luck with your stack
    it all depends on how my first 4 weeks with dcp/lr goes. do you recommend reduction with dcp? or just run it stand alone for 4 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummaboyzl View Post
    i lost 10 lbs and 2% bf in a month with REDuction and VERY strict diet =D

    ..just saying. i can vouch for that one
    best of luck with your stack
    unless u weighed 500lbs to start with thats not exactly attractive it means that to loose 3-4 labs of fat you also lost 6-7 lbs of lean mass.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    I agree with this stack...should be VERY pleased.
    Any word on when your next shipment of DCP should be hitting NP? Had a few queries on this dsade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    unless u weighed 500lbs to start with thats not exactly attractive it means that to loose 3-4 labs of fat you also lost 6-7 lbs of lean mass.....
    actually i didnt lose any lbm. i stacked it with BLUE up, a natural test booster by the same company. i continued to goto the gym like regular and didn't notice ANY strength decreases.
    i don't know what you would stack with it. as i said i was running a sponsored log Controlled Labs cut stack
    REDuction and BLUE up
    lost 10 lbs, 2% bf, and maxes stayed the same. if anything i noticed endurance increases
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Any word on when your next shipment of DCP should be hitting NP? Had a few queries on this dsade.
    It was supposed to have shipped last wednesday, but apparently the bottling machine crapped out and it is shipping today.

    Should be covering your full order, though, and the new tablets are badass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus View Post
    Bronkaid+Caffeine+L-Tyrosine = nice and effective. Stack it with some yohimbine HCL throughout the day, or all at one shot in the morning w/ fasted cardio ... good combo.

    If you don't want to go the ephedrine route ...

    I've had people do very well on the following stacks. To each his own due to tolerance levels for such compounds:
    Yohimbine HCL + Caffeine
    DCP + Yohimbine HCL
    DCP + Lev Reloaded

    Never had anyone or myself try Recreate. Can't comment.
    any input on how these stacks would benefit/inhibit a keto diet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummaboyzl View Post
    actually i didnt lose any lbm. i stacked it with BLUE up, a natural test booster by the same company. i continued to goto the gym like regular and didn't notice ANY strength decreases.
    i don't know what you would stack with it. as i said i was running a sponsored log Controlled Labs cut stack
    REDuction and BLUE up
    lost 10 lbs, 2% bf, and maxes stayed the same. if anything i noticed endurance increases
    I'm just saying do the math. if you were 194 beforehand and 15% bf, and now are 184 and 13% you had to have lost something besides fat for 6-7lbs of the 10lbs. 2% of 194 is 3.76 lbs of fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxGolf View Post
    Fat Loss Stack is the way to go
    Looks interesting, has anyone done that a seen results, would like to know before I invest 90 bucks? Being new to this stuff I have been wondering how things like DermaTherm, Napalm, and Atomic Meltdown work since you spray or apply it to you, any help there?

    I am kind of waiting for DCP to get back in stock cause I have only heard good things, I want to stack that with ReCreate or something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm just saying do the math. if you were 194 beforehand and 15% bf, and now are 184 and 13% you had to have lost something besides fat for 6-7lbs of the 10lbs. 2% of 194 is 3.76 lbs of fat.
    hmmm. i see what you're saying. interesting. only thing i can think of to make up for the missing numbers is i lost alot more fat than that and just made up for the weight in muscle. muscle weighs more than fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    ECY/ECA is the only way to go for ''fatburners''. DCP is good but not a fat burner

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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyMouse20 View Post
    Looks interesting, has anyone done that a seen results, would like to know before I invest 90 bucks? Being new to this stuff I have been wondering how things like DermaTherm, Napalm, and Atomic Meltdown work since you spray or apply it to you, any help there?

    I am kind of waiting for DCP to get back in stock cause I have only heard good things, I want to stack that with ReCreate or something else.
    DermaTherm is a great product. Here is a link for all the info you would need on DermaTherm http://www.primordialperformance.com...ermaTherm.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    AM I WRONG...AM I WRONG..


    Im calmer than you are.......
    since fat is transported into mitochondria to be "burned", yeah you kind of are wrong. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by thaOrleanyte View Post
    AM I WRONG...AM I WRONG..


    Im calmer than you are.......
    Sooooo if DCP isnt a fatburner what would it be? I mean how does TTA do its job? Ohhhh wait...uhmmm i think it takes fatty acids and throws them into the mitochondria of the cell ( which would also be called uncoupling i beleive) and burns fat as energy...wait im sorry..it what? Ohhhhhh burns FAT as energy. Sooooo with that being said, what shall we call it? Burner of fat? Fat of burner? But not Fat burner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    Sooooo if DCP isnt a fatburner what would it be? I mean how does TTA do its job? Ohhhh wait...uhmmm i think it takes fatty acids and throws them into the mitochondria of the cell ( which would also be called uncoupling i beleive) and burns fat as energy...wait im sorry..it what? Ohhhhhh burns FAT as energy. Sooooo with that being said, what shall we call it? Burner of fat? Fat of burner? But not Fat burner?

    You are so smart.... lets be friends forever! Maybe we can run through a meadow together, holding hands and whispering sweet nothings to eachother. Then you can teach me your knowledge of the world. Oooo that would be grand....


    douche.
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    yeah i was under the impression that DCP was a fat METABOLIZER and not a """"""""""quote on quote"""""""""""""

    """""""FAT BURNER""""""".

    Fat burner is just a term given to supplements. Yall are digging to far into semantics. but it's cool and im unsubbed. peace b!tches
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