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    Recipe...


    As originally posted by curt2go...
    Well, Well, Well welcome all..........

    First off I would like to say that this recipe has been worked on for a long time. It started out as pretty good(when used for fina) to now whee it works awsome..
    People to thank : K(same), Chemo, Mattlant , I did some reserch...
    I will add more as I find out......

    Here is the recipe and I will explain everything after.....

    PRO-HORMONE( PH )
    PENETRATION ENHANCER( PE )
    STRATUN CORNEUM_TOP LAYER OF SKIN( SC )

    40% ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL( ISO )
    15% ISOPROPYL MYRISTRATE( IPM )
    15% ISOPROPYL PALMITATE( IPP )
    10% OLEIC ACID( OA )
    10% PROPYLENE GLYCOL( PG )
    10% DMSO
    The 15% IPM and 15% IPP can be combined and just use 30% IPM...

    ISO is used as a solvent. It will help disolve the ph into the solution. It also has some penetration properties.

    IPP is used to lubricate the skin it softens it up so the skin can be penetrated easily by the ph(dries quicker and is not as oily feeling as the IPM).

    IPM is used for the same reason as the IPP.

    OA this is a powerful penetration enhancer. It works with the lipids in the skin to let the ph go through.

    PG this stuff is oily. What it does is keeps the moisture from leaving the skin. The more moisture the easier it is for ther ph to penetrate. NO you can't just use water....

    DMSO man i love this stuff. It is the most powerful penetration enhancer that is out there that is safe. This addition puts us over the top. This is a must in the solution. If you have sensitive skin this may irritate it but don't you want ot get bi. If it irritates too much go to 5% and add 5% to ISO.

    If you don't like the smell of it then you could substitue 1-2% d-limenene for 1-2% of PG. BUT I like to just put in 2ml of scented oil. Go with the oil. Don't screw with the recipe......!!!!!!!!!

    Other factors that help penetration....
    1. Rub the ph on vigorously.. RUB HARD
    2. Keep the solution mg/ml low .The less ph in the more surface area the better penetration.
    3. Try to wait until dry to put clothing on. Hoefully for you it is only 5 mins max
    4. If you can remove hair where ph isa being applied. The ph can attach to the hair and thus not go into your skin. SHAVE IT OFF...
    I had to salvage this from the old board...still trying to get them all back in here!

    Chemo

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    Really glad you put this here! Great reference.......
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    Bout time. Man I did no twant ot retype that again. Couldn't impor it eh. Just gave upo and copy and paste... Talk to ya
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    I already printed out the recipie and taped it up on my wall




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    My threads were kicked off during the server migration.

    I got to 10 grams of test in 240ml of homebrew.

    The next question is do you put it in a sqirt bottle or what? How much a day?

    Thanks a bunch

    Im getting ready to order my stuff..
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    10 g in 240ml is 42mg/ml... You can do anywhere from 3ml-5ml/day 4 being average.. Put it in whatever you want ot apply it with. i put all of mine in a hairspray bottle... 7 squirst/ml in my bottle.. Hope that helps.. talk to ya...
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    Hey Chemo you still got your spreadsheet? I just thought about that...seeing that might help some people out.. or give people like me something to play with when they are bored...
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    correction curt that should be 42mg/ml (41.6666666...mg/ml actually)
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    Type o you bastard...hehehehe... Glad to see you guys watch what i say.... thanx.. good catch...
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    LOL I'm just gald to be subservient to the Transdermal God
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    i am far from a transdermal God. I along with others just like to help people out with all their questions and transdermal needs. But thanx... talk to ya.
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    Originally posted by Matthew D
    Hey Chemo you still got your spreadsheet? I just thought about that...seeing that might help some people out.. or give people like me something to play with when they are bored...
    I am going to revise it and make it a little more user friendly. I'll post it here when I get done with it.

    Chemo
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    where can one find the mixing directions for the transdermal homebrew and is the recipe given for spray or gel?

    thanks, pete
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    BDC,curt and others


    When you say " Keep the solution mg/ml low .The less ph in the more surface area the better penetration. " How many G/mg of androgen is suggested to be added to 240ml of the above recipe?

    Also, can more androgen be added to the old formula:
    65% iso
    25% ipm
    10% oa......................compar ed to the new formula? Reason being
    that I have all the ingredients minus the the prop gly and dmso.

    Or should I just spring for the prop gly and dmso?
    I read the new recipe is closer to 40% absorption compared to abot 20% with the old.......correct me if I'm wrong......and I appreciate the replies.
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    Re: BDC,curt and others


    Originally posted by SCORPIO
    When you say " Keep the solution mg/ml low .The less ph in the more surface area the better penetration. " How many G/mg of androgen is suggested to be added to 240ml of the above recipe?

    Also, can more androgen be added to the old formula:
    65% iso
    25% ipm
    10% oa......................compar ed to the new formula? Reason being
    that I have all the ingredients minus the the prop gly and dmso.

    Or should I just spring for the prop gly and dmso?
    I read the new recipe is closer to 40% absorption compared to abot 20% with the old.......correct me if I'm wrong......and I appreciate the replies.
    First, welcome to the board!

    When we say to keep it low the intention is too keep it around 50 mg/mL concentration.  This has been shown to optimize the absorption.  This is 12 grams of *WHATEVER* in solution and can be a combination of 1-test/4-AD/fina/test base or anything else desired.  Now, above and below 50 the absorption will have diminished returns but is marginal when viewed in terms of a DMSO recipe.

    I would definitely recommend the DMSO no matter what.  If you opt to leave the PG or Glycerol out would be OK but will make for more irritation and drying...you're choice.

    The 40% estimate is for the DMSO recipe.  If you go with the IPM and OA it may be 10-15%...

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    Thanks for the welcome and for the information.....it's exactly what I was looking for. Glad to be here reading such good info posted by many a good bro......Good job putting this all together BDC....keep up the good work!
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    Wanted to ask if this recipe is similar in any way to the TGel you have available?
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    It is similar. Chemo uses a little d-lim and glycerol instead of PG.. But I would just use the recipe in here. ITs the best... hehehehehe. It works very well.. Talk to ya...

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    Thanks Curt! I'm gonna use the recipe with glycerin instead if pg and 12gr ph.
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    10g of 4-ad is close to max..... If you find that it is cloudy keep it in a warm spot.. Then the ph won't precipitate out.... Talk to ya..

    PS keep us posted on the results....

     
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    Will 6gr 1-test and 6gr 4ad be fine?
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    That mixes in very well. Thats a top choice of alot of peole I know( ).. hehehehe...

    200mg of each for 30days... Nice choice.....
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    [This is my first time on so it may sound like a dumb ? but do you start with 12grams of test then mix it in a 240ml bottle split up to the percentages of the ingredients an then spray on?
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    Re: Re: Recipe...


    Originally posted by BULLDOG
    [This is my first time on so it may sound like a dumb ? but do you start with 12grams of test then mix it in a 240ml bottle split up to the percentages of the ingredients an then spray on?
    Your comment sounds a bit confusing, so I'll try to clear it up.
    Example:
    12gr androgen.......in 240ml solution....12000mg/ 240ml=50mg/ml
    60% iso..........240- 60%=144ml
    30% ipm.........240-30%=72ml
    10% oa...........240-10%=24ml

    So 144ml+72ml+24ml=240ml......got it. Good luck!
    Last edited by SCORPIO; 01-24-2003 at 03:59 PM.
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    I've been toying with the idea of doing my own homebrew for awhile and then I end up just buying ONE from Par or 1Fast. I just don't understand what those ratio's mean. I mean lets say that I want an 8 oz bottle of gel. Do I take two cups ethanal, etc....I just don't understand the 50% and so on. And secondly where can I buy the ingredients? Thanks guys and great board!!
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    The %'s are easy. This is what you do... The full bottle is 240ml SO...

    40% ISO is 96ml

    15% IPP is 36ml

    15% IPM is 36ml

    10% OA is 24ml

    10% PG is 24ml

    10% DMSO is 24ml

    You put them all in the bottle add you PH's and whalla you have an awsome homebrew... You can get all the chems from www.lemelange.com in the bodybuiling section.   Talk to ya..

     
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    Thank you so much...that is a big help!!
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    BDC, curt and others????


    I had a ??? about my home brew. Here is what I used:
    40% everclear
    30% ipm
    10% oa
    10%glycerin
    10% dmso

    6gr 1-test.......6gr 4ad in 240ml

    So, I mixed up the ingredients......threw in the ph, which clumped of course, so I put it in hot water for a few mins........shook it and presto! dissolved and mixed. Now every time it sits for a few mins it seperates.........half cloudy, half clear.....sowhat I do is shake the piss out of it.....draw the amount I need then apply. It looks fine after shaking but seperates again after sitting. Is this normal?

    I also wanted to ask if applying longer than every 12hrs is ok....For example, I work shift work (12 hr shifts) so I would apply at 5am then again that evening at 8pm after workout and shower....then start again at 5am the next day and so on. Would this be OK? On my off days I could easily stick to every 12hrs.
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    Re: BDC, curt and others????


    Originally posted by SCORPIO
    I had a ??? about my home brew. Here is what I used:
    40% everclear
    30% ipm
    10% oa
    10%glycerin
    10% dmso

    6gr 1-test.......6gr 4ad in 240ml

    So, I mixed up the ingredients......threw in the ph, which clumped of course, so I put it in hot water for a few mins........shook it and presto! dissolved and mixed. Now every time it sits for a few mins it seperates.........half cloudy, half clear.....sowhat I do is shake the piss out of it.....draw the amount I need then apply. It looks fine after shaking but seperates again after sitting. Is this normal?

    I also wanted to ask if applying longer than every 12hrs is ok....For example, I work shift work (12 hr shifts) so I would apply at 5am then again that evening at 8pm after workout and shower....then start again at 5am the next day and so on. Would this be OK? On my off days I could easily stick to every 12hrs.
    The main reason for adding d-limonene is for the emulsion properties.  This basically means that not only does it smell of citrus and help counteract the DMSO stench but it also allows one to mix water and oil soluble ingredients.  If there is considerable stratification try adding 5-10% d-limonene and this should help keep it all mixed.

    The application time is not set in stone as to every 12.  This is meant as a guide and should be followed as closely as possible but not a few hours should not matter in the bigger scheme of things.

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    Thanks BDC, I'll remember to get d-limon next time. When you say add 5-10% is that minus 5-10% iso and d-lim in it's place? or just add 5% to my current mix? also will other scented oils work?
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    Originally posted by SCORPIO
    Thanks BDC, I'll remember to get d-limon next time. When you say add 5-10% is that minus 5-10% iso and d-lim in it's place? or just add 5% to my current mix? also will other scented oils work?
    Given your current situation I would recommend adding the 5% to the mix even though it will throw your concentration off slightly.  Next time around though I owuld drop the IPM down to 25% and add the 5% d-limonene in its place.

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    Got it, exactly what I needed to know. Thanks.
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    Two ?


    1. For a bulking type solution more 4 ad would be better corect say 8g 4 ad and4g 1-test.

    2. What do you use to get a precise ml count?

    Thanks

    Peace.
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    measuring ml, I would use a graduated cylinder and you can pick those up cheap at

    https://www3.carolina.com/onlinecata...me&button=home 

    just hit the search button and type in graduated cylinder and they will give you a bunch to pick from.

    it might still be down for ordering at the moment because of maintence.. I have order a ton of stuff from them and they have great service and most times good prices

     
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    Thanks


    That is what i figured either that or a really tiny beaker, anywaysthaks again

    peace.
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    Re: Two ?


    Originally posted by syko
    1. For a bulking type solution more 4 ad would be better corect say 8g 4 ad and4g 1-test.

    Peace.
    thats a good bulk transdermal. the premixed T-1 has 10g/5g, 4ad/1-test. Keeping the majority of the gains you make from a cycle such as this to a heavier 1-test to 4ad mix (T-1pro) will be harder. Sage
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    Ok, I still have two questions.

    If you are using a 240ml bottle, with 12g of PH, what is the best ratio of 1-test to 4-ad? 50/50?

    Also, when this is all mixed, is it a gel or a liquid?

    thanks
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    Originally posted by rharg
    Ok, I still have two questions.

    If you are using a 240ml bottle, with 12g of PH, what is the best ratio of 1-test to 4-ad? 50/50?

    Also, when this is all mixed, is it a gel or a liquid?

    thanks
    It depends on your goals....If you want leaner gains go with more 1-test........for more overall mass go with more 4ad. It's all really trial and error because we all respond differently to the different PHs/androgens.......but you really can't go wrong with 6gr of each...makes for a really good cycle, which is what I'm using at the moment.

    As for your second ? if you are using the recipe on the top of this thread it will be liquid. If you want more of a gel type you might ask BDC about how to add carbomer to the mix. Good luck.
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    Thanks Scorpio!

    I think I am going to stick to the 6g/ea since this will be my first cycle, then go from there.

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