penatrate test base?

**maddyfresh1** · 02-02-2010 11:57 AM

I ve been reading about transdermals. Is it possible to use penerate instead of phlo to make a trans. If i add some ba to dissolve the powder completely and a hot water bath or just stick with the gel? I ask because i have penerate.

**crowbar46** · 02-02-2010 12:06 PM

I asked this same question in the Primordial Performance thread and was told yes, it will work just fine, that the respondant had a friend that was doing just that with TNE and Tren and loving it. Just make sure not to oversaturate and follow the directions on the Nutra/PP page.

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**maddyfresh1** · 02-02-2010 01:13 PM

to be a little more clear...will penetrate work with a bold or a test base?

**dsade** · 02-02-2010 01:31 PM

Why the thumbs down?

**maddyfresh1** · 02-02-2010 01:44 PM

thought that was a question mark ahahahaa. my screen sucks

**Jimbo15** · 02-02-2010 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by maddyfresh1

to be a little more clear...will penetrate work with a bold or a test base?

if the molecular weight is below 300

**crowbar46** · 02-02-2010 05:20 PM

Test base is TNE--testosterone no ester.

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**bioman** · 02-02-2010 07:06 PM

Works fine for 4AD, 19Nor and 1Test so it should be fine for TNE.

**maddyfresh1** · 02-02-2010 08:28 PM

anything special i have to do to dissolve it?

**bioman** · 02-02-2010 08:34 PM

Warm it in some hot water, add powder in a little at a time and shake shake shake.

**maddyfresh1** · 02-02-2010 09:06 PM

what about the absorption rate about 40% with pene? thinking about make it at 125mg/ml

**crowbar46** · 02-03-2010 02:00 AM

I don't think you can make it that strong--check the product pages, Nutraplanet or PP.

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**maddyfresh1** · 02-03-2010 12:14 PM

think i would get pretty good gains with an absorption rate of 30-40% at 100mg..... Which means i probably will have to use a 3rd of the bottle to make it at 100mg.

**ThisGuy2** · 02-03-2010 01:19 PM

I made a TB TD recently using phlo at 100mg concentration and it works GREAT. You need to grind it down in a ceramic mortar and pestle (don't try to skimp on this...you WILL have tiny chunks left unabsorbed on your skin if you do). Transfer this to a pyrex bowl over warm water (double boiler style) and dissolve. DMSO works WONDERS for this, and 10mL should suffice, without giving you garlic stink. Then incorporate into the penetrate (although my understanding was that phlo works better, which is why I went with that). Then, just to completely eliminate the smell of DMSO, I added 2mL of tea tree oil, and now the stuff actually smells nice.

Average absorption is estimated at 30% at best, but more like 35% if you use DMSO. I apply 1 and 1/4 mL twice daily for a total of 250mg ed. Times 7 days, that 1750mg, at 35% absorption you're looking at around 600mg weekly.

**maddyfresh1** · 02-03-2010 04:10 PM

then i should just go with the phlogel. The only reason i was going to use the pene was because i had an old bottle. But i see the changed it now to more of a cream. And i see the phlogel can be mixed at a higher rate..

Did you just start it any before and after pics or a log?

**ThisGuy2** · 02-03-2010 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by maddyfresh1

then i should just go with the phlogel. The only reason i was going to use the pene was because i had an old bottle. But i see the changed it now to more of a cream. And i see the phlogel can be mixed at a higher rate..

Did you just start it any before and after pics or a log?

No pics or log. I can tell you I'm on week 4 now and up around 14lb very lean lb. I'm actually leaner than when I started. Of course, I'm also stacking w/ 100mg each proviron and anavar. The 100mg var might have helped a wee bit w/ that lb-age, but the provi probably hurt it. Ideally, I would've only used 50mg and not wiped out estro entirely, thus gaining a little more. I was so focused on drying out, I didn't even think of that.

I'll def add this to future cycles of whatever I run.

**maddyfresh1** · 02-03-2010 05:23 PM

see i was thinking about making a tne trans. But not sure what to stack it with. I want more of a dry lean look. I was thinking about possible a boldenone and i have "var" but i dont know if its var. Probably because i tried a var only cycle, seemed a little leaner but who knows.

**ThisGuy2** · 02-03-2010 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by maddyfresh1

see i was thinking about making a tne trans. But not sure what to stack it with. I want more of a dry lean look. I was thinking about possible a boldenone and i have "var" but i dont know if its var. Probably because i tried a var only cycle, seemed a little leaner but who knows.

Only thing w/ bold is that you have to be able to control your eating, because the appetite onset is purported to be intense. Furthermore, bear in mind that the ester on bold is very long lasting, and that may play a role in cycle length. I don't think I'd run base for 12-14 weeks.

Personally, I've been considering for some time making a masteron TD at 100mg/mL. You could do a 6 week run with that of 250mg ed for a total of 1750, which would absorb at about 600mg. That's a nice amount of mast, and it don't get much leaner than that! I haven't really found any info from others on it, and I've been meaning to check the MW to see if it's feasible, but I keep forgetting.

**maddyfresh1** · 02-03-2010 05:39 PM

i dont think it will work because it has an ester.. Only if you drop the ester then it might work. and the weight of that is 360.

**ThisGuy2** · 02-03-2010 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by maddyfresh1

i dont think it will work because it has an ester.. Only if you drop the ester then it might work. and the weight of that is 360.

Yeah, I just found it. Bummer. I've read there are ways to remove esters, but it's pretty damned complicated and usually not worth the effort, if I recall.

penatrate test base?

penatrate test base?

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