penatrate test base?
- 02-02-2010, 12:57 PM
- 02-02-2010, 01:06 PM
I asked this same question in the Primordial Performance thread and was told yes, it will work just fine, that the respondant had a friend that was doing just that with TNE and Tren and loving it. Just make sure not to oversaturate and follow the directions on the Nutra/PP page.
02-02-2010, 02:13 PM
02-02-2010, 02:31 PM
Why the thumbs down?
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02-03-2010, 01:14 PM
think i would get pretty good gains with an absorption rate of 30-40% at 100mg..... Which means i probably will have to use a 3rd of the bottle to make it at 100mg.
02-03-2010, 02:19 PM
I made a TB TD recently using phlo at 100mg concentration and it works GREAT. You need to grind it down in a ceramic mortar and pestle (don't try to skimp on this...you WILL have tiny chunks left unabsorbed on your skin if you do). Transfer this to a pyrex bowl over warm water (double boiler style) and dissolve. DMSO works WONDERS for this, and 10mL should suffice, without giving you garlic stink. Then incorporate into the penetrate (although my understanding was that phlo works better, which is why I went with that). Then, just to completely eliminate the smell of DMSO, I added 2mL of tea tree oil, and now the stuff actually smells nice.
Average absorption is estimated at 30% at best, but more like 35% if you use DMSO. I apply 1 and 1/4 mL twice daily for a total of 250mg ed. Times 7 days, that 1750mg, at 35% absorption you're looking at around 600mg weekly.
02-03-2010, 05:10 PM
then i should just go with the phlogel. The only reason i was going to use the pene was because i had an old bottle. But i see the changed it now to more of a cream. And i see the phlogel can be mixed at a higher rate..
Did you just start it any before and after pics or a log?
02-03-2010, 06:18 PM
I'll def add this to future cycles of whatever I run.
02-03-2010, 06:23 PM
see i was thinking about making a tne trans. But not sure what to stack it with. I want more of a dry lean look. I was thinking about possible a boldenone and i have "var" but i dont know if its var. Probably because i tried a var only cycle, seemed a little leaner but who knows.
02-03-2010, 06:30 PM
Personally, I've been considering for some time making a masteron TD at 100mg/mL. You could do a 6 week run with that of 250mg ed for a total of 1750, which would absorb at about 600mg. That's a nice amount of mast, and it don't get much leaner than that! I haven't really found any info from others on it, and I've been meaning to check the MW to see if it's feasible, but I keep forgetting.
02-03-2010, 06:39 PM
i dont think it will work because it has an ester.. Only if you drop the ester then it might work. and the weight of that is 360.
02-03-2010, 07:10 PM
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02-04-2010, 07:40 AM
02-04-2010, 09:57 AM
Some claim that proviron at 50-100mg ed would work, and it's widely accepted that proviron allows test to work better by allowing more of it to bind to receptors. Personally, I've been running proviron alongside the base and it's worked perfectly. I also don't seem to be predisposed to gyno, based on several experiences w/ nor/estra-based phs. But I'd def get the proviron to run alongside, especially since it's cheap.
02-04-2010, 02:13 PM
ThisGuy2: just to be certain I'm understanding you correctly, if you make a TD TNE with Plo you suggest adding DMSO (10 ml.) to the TNE after grinding it in order to facilitate disolving it?
After adding DMSO to the ground TNE will you still need to heat in a pyrex bowl in order to fully disolve?
Then I assume the disolved DMSO/TNE mixture is just added to the appropriate amount of Plo and drawn into an oral syringe, for example; or would the mixture still be to thick for an oral syringe?
02-04-2010, 03:40 PM
You could also skip the heating too, but this facilitates disolving much better. Bear in mind, we're not talking hot, just warm. On another post on here someone actually mentions the temp you want. To be accurate, you'd measure the water w/ a thermometer to avoid overheating and breaking the molecules down. Again, this is an extra step that can be skipped altogether and an effective homebrew still achieved. It just helps you dissolve it all more completely. At the end of the day, the more you're able to absorb, the better, right?
02-05-2010, 12:00 AM
Is the final product--if you add the 10 Ml. of DMSO--thin enough to be drawn into an oral syringe?
02-05-2010, 11:09 AM
1tsp. is exactly = to 5mL (I checked this using liquid, and it's correct). Get yourself a 1/4tsp measuring spoon and apply that amount twice daily for a total of 2.5mL or 250mg daily. Just scoop it right out of the little tub of phlo.You could apply more too, but you'll need to use more surface area. I find the more clean skin you spread over, the better absorbed. Shoulders and inner arms (bis and fores) are my favorites. Inside lat/oblique area ain't bad either.
02-05-2010, 11:49 AM
ThisGuy2, Thanks for all the info.
I know this is off topic--but related. It's been a long time since I've run any cycles of "real" gear. I used to be able years ago to get everything domestic; now I can still get pre-made stuff domestic, but raw powder only seems available overseas. I've never ordered international before and the thought of having to go to the post office and show ID and sign for a package just freaks me out--absolutely no desire to be mistaken for someone trying to "distribute" because I buy a little raw powders--but one source has a 100 g. minimum for test base. That just seems like you're asking for distribution charges.
Am I overreacting? Is it safe to sign for these packages?
02-05-2010, 12:15 PM
02-05-2010, 01:31 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know the place you're talking about. Have you used them without problems? I was doing some research and people on a particular board--with a LOT of experience with this company--were saying that they had gotten less effecient in shipping, and some people (especially in the US) were having problems with packages being held up in customs for months.
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