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hes talking about knocking the ester off is hard and not worth it.
test base...other test have a ester
If you knock the ester off those, you'd of course have base...but if you got 10g of prop and knocked off the ester, you wouldn't have the same amount of test as if you got 10g of base.
In any case, we were actually talking hypothetically about knocking the ester off mast to force it within the constraints for viable absorption for a TD, since you cannot get mast base (or at least not that I'm aware of). Well the idea of having a mast TD is tantalizing, I'd just as soon make a suspension and skip having to furnish a small home lab to get there.
warbird01 was asking about a comment you made earlier in the thread THISGUY2. I was just explaining to him that you you did make a tb td. But you were thinking about trying a different one with a ester but sometimes its not worth it.
jstrong20, doesn't Synovex H also contain estrogen? Also, is it Test base? I suppose you could use a SERM along with it but I don't know if that sounds like a good idea.
meaning you will have to drop that ester to tnd it.
I'm pretty sure it does contain estrogen; and as we've been discussing, dropping the ester does not really seem feasable.
If anyone decides to play chemist, I'm sure we'd all be interested to hear about the results.
IMO the main benefit of DIY is you know the purity.
The penetrate works fine for both test base and bold base. Ive used penetrate for both. Mix doses appropriately... remember 30-35% absorbtion at best!
google "base catalyzed ester saponification". very simple reaction, IMO. the only reagent you'll need is sodium hydroxide.Yeah, I just found it. Bummer. I've read there are ways to remove esters, but it's pretty damned complicated and usually not worth the effort, if I recall.
the hydroxide ion acts as a nucleophile and attacks the electrophilic carbonyl carbon on the ester. A tetrahedral intermediate is formed, and then movement of electrons ejects an alkoxide ion and generates a carboxylic acid. the alkoxide ion the abstracts the proton for the carboxylic acid to generate a hydroxyl group.If anyone decides to play chemist, I'm sure we'd all be interested to hear about the results.
that's how this reaction occurs from a mechanistic stand point. the actual procedure is very simple. i said above to google a procedure, but you really don't even need one. Just weight out the powder that you have and convert from grams to moles. This reaction between the ester and hydroxide ion occurs in a 1:1 molar ratio, so add an appropriate volume of the sodium hydroxide based on the molarity of the solution. Toss them together in a flask, swirl the contents of the flask for a few minutes (well, maybe longer, you can look that up) , and you're good to go.
Also, adding base to this solution deprotonates the aromatic hydroxyl group on the estrogen, making it water soluble
Hey guys. Been out of the scene for a bit but I always get all warm and fuzzy when I see Transdermals getting discussed.
New forum kinda making my eyes all tweeked out so I didn't read a bunch of stuff in thread. I must be getting O L D.
If these questions has been answered please forgive me.
Penetrate works well with Test Base and Tren Base. Just don't expect anything above 50mg/ml final concentration or plan for anything above 30% absorption.
Masteron works well in TD. As does Boldenone.
Not tooting my own horn but I did a log on here some time ago which really wound up a fun Transdermal experiment. Lots of trials for best compounds.
I've done Phlo-jel ultra compounds with a variety of PE's. Wish my body did well with Tren because that seemed to work extremely well. Sadly I'm very susceptible to progesterone related gyno.
40-day Transdermal Test/Oral Turinabol Cycle
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