penatrate test base?
- 02-05-2010, 10:57 PM
The bad thing about raw powder via mail is when packages get damaged and white powder starts to leak out and...well, you get the idea (is it anthrax? is it cocaine?). I have a lot of relatives that work at the PO BTW. The risk is low, but not non-negligible.
One of my close PO relatives has seen in person a massive steroid bust of a competitive bodybuilder, and a few street drugs busts (and nearly got in the way once). The steroid bust was domestic-a CA to SC operation. When they searched the dude's house later, he had ~3,000 pre-filled syringes in his walls (WTF) that he was distributing at a local gym (hmm...think somebody talked?). Now he's competing in the Department of Corrections invitational. Regarding the drug-mail busts, I am told that many of the musicians that visit the area where one of my PO relatives lives mail drugs to themselves so they will be there when they get there to perform (coke, weed, etc). Pretty stupid and pretty common for that area at least, but back to the white powder issue...
Anything involving the PO means federal charges instead of state charges by statute. The state could additionally charge you for other offenses perhaps. Federal courts have close to a 90% conviction rate which is much higher than state courts.
The 10 versus 100g could possibly help avoid a distribution charge on the whim that you actually get busted. You would still likely have to make a case for non-distribution though b/c they will convolute the math and see how many esterified amps you could make from the raw base powder, etc (maybe slight exaggeration, but they may try to hit you with intent to distribute either way). But in either case, you will be charged with conspiracy to import a controlled substance and conspiracy to distribute or conspiracy to possess a controlled substance and possibly possession of a controlled substance if you get busted after taking delivery of the package. Those conspiracy charges have at least as many teeth as a standard distribution charge, and it probably won't be concurrent sentencing either.
Most likely your package will arrive undamaged, etc. However, your package could arrive damaged (and suspiciously leaking), or the notice could get put in the wrong person's box.
I may be giving the raw suppliers too little credit though. Hopefully, they have a more creative way of packing raw powder than the stereotypical "bag". I've never ordered any (was considering it at one point), so I don't know much about that aspect.
If you do go that route though, I'll be curious to see what the TD base results are like versus esterified IM.
- 02-05-2010, 11:08 PM
He only cycles every few years I think, and he actually had to drop about 20 lbs of LBM over time at one point b/c he got sick of having to eat so much to maintain it (he was like 5'6 or 5'7, 216 lbs; now about 191 and still very stout). It probably wasn't after the bold cycle since you rarely hear ppl complain about a lack of appetite on bold.
BTW, I am not saying running bold that long is a good idea (or anything for that matter). He is actually very health conscious and not a dummy about these things, but a 20 week cycle...well, ppl have certainly done far worse!
That masteron TD sounds like an awesome idea. The veins would probably start popping out right after you got done rubbing it in!
- 02-07-2010, 09:07 AM
02-07-2010, 09:12 AM
02-07-2010, 09:14 AM
02-08-2010, 01:37 AM
i could care less about the gyno right now thats linked to tren(not being rude) i have gyno anyways.(puberty gyno) I plan i getting the surgery but thats besides the point. Has anyone seen any before and after pics with a td tne or tren?
And i have an older bottle of pene, thats more alcohol based. Think it will work just as well?
02-08-2010, 01:42 AM
knocking off the ester isnt to hard but 304 and 300 would really make that big of a differences? I thought masteron was ester free though?
02-09-2010, 10:28 PM
02-09-2010, 10:38 PM
Got a link to good info on dropping the ester? I'm gonna look into it further.
02-09-2010, 11:13 PM
It's so close to 300 that it seems like a small amount of it in penetrate or similar would be worth a test run. It should be obvious pretty quickly if it is having the desired effect (assuming you can get some of it dissolved into the penetrate solution/matrix).
02-11-2010, 01:35 AM
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02-11-2010, 02:14 AM
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02-11-2010, 10:14 AM
02-11-2010, 01:57 PM
If you knock the ester off those, you'd of course have base...but if you got 10g of prop and knocked off the ester, you wouldn't have the same amount of test as if you got 10g of base.
In any case, we were actually talking hypothetically about knocking the ester off mast to force it within the constraints for viable absorption for a TD, since you cannot get mast base (or at least not that I'm aware of). Well the idea of having a mast TD is tantalizing, I'd just as soon make a suspension and skip having to furnish a small home lab to get there.
02-11-2010, 02:01 PM
warbird01 was asking about a comment you made earlier in the thread THISGUY2. I was just explaining to him that you you did make a tb td. But you were thinking about trying a different one with a ester but sometimes its not worth it.
02-11-2010, 06:48 PM
02-19-2010, 03:34 PM
jstrong20, doesn't Synovex H also contain estrogen? Also, is it Test base? I suppose you could use a SERM along with it but I don't know if that sounds like a good idea.
02-19-2010, 07:52 PM
02-19-2010, 08:38 PM
02-20-2010, 05:27 AM
I'm pretty sure it does contain estrogen; and as we've been discussing, dropping the ester does not really seem feasable.
02-22-2010, 07:26 PM
02-23-2010, 05:35 PM
If anyone decides to play chemist, I'm sure we'd all be interested to hear about the results.
02-25-2010, 02:50 PM
02-25-2010, 02:51 PM
04-23-2010, 09:19 PM
The penetrate works fine for both test base and bold base. Ive used penetrate for both. Mix doses appropriately... remember 30-35% absorbtion at best!
05-16-2010, 08:45 PM
google "base catalyzed ester saponification". very simple reaction, IMO. the only reagent you'll need is sodium hydroxide.Yeah, I just found it. Bummer. I've read there are ways to remove esters, but it's pretty damned complicated and usually not worth the effort, if I recall.
05-16-2010, 09:00 PM
the hydroxide ion acts as a nucleophile and attacks the electrophilic carbonyl carbon on the ester. A tetrahedral intermediate is formed, and then movement of electrons ejects an alkoxide ion and generates a carboxylic acid. the alkoxide ion the abstracts the proton for the carboxylic acid to generate a hydroxyl group.If anyone decides to play chemist, I'm sure we'd all be interested to hear about the results.
that's how this reaction occurs from a mechanistic stand point. the actual procedure is very simple. i said above to google a procedure, but you really don't even need one. Just weight out the powder that you have and convert from grams to moles. This reaction between the ester and hydroxide ion occurs in a 1:1 molar ratio, so add an appropriate volume of the sodium hydroxide based on the molarity of the solution. Toss them together in a flask, swirl the contents of the flask for a few minutes (well, maybe longer, you can look that up) , and you're good to go.
Also, adding base to this solution deprotonates the aromatic hydroxyl group on the estrogen, making it water soluble
05-20-2010, 08:45 PM
Hey guys. Been out of the scene for a bit but I always get all warm and fuzzy when I see Transdermals getting discussed.
New forum kinda making my eyes all tweeked out so I didn't read a bunch of stuff in thread. I must be getting O L D.
If these questions has been answered please forgive me.
Penetrate works well with Test Base and Tren Base. Just don't expect anything above 50mg/ml final concentration or plan for anything above 30% absorption.
Masteron works well in TD. As does Boldenone.
Not tooting my own horn but I did a log on here some time ago which really wound up a fun Transdermal experiment. Lots of trials for best compounds.
I've done Phlo-jel ultra compounds with a variety of PE's. Wish my body did well with Tren because that seemed to work extremely well. Sadly I'm very susceptible to progesterone related gyno.
40-day Transdermal Test/Oral Turinabol Cycle
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