penatrate test base?
- 02-05-2010, 12:00 AM
- 02-05-2010, 11:09 AM
1tsp. is exactly = to 5mL (I checked this using liquid, and it's correct). Get yourself a 1/4tsp measuring spoon and apply that amount twice daily for a total of 2.5mL or 250mg daily. Just scoop it right out of the little tub of phlo.You could apply more too, but you'll need to use more surface area. I find the more clean skin you spread over, the better absorbed. Shoulders and inner arms (bis and fores) are my favorites. Inside lat/oblique area ain't bad either.
02-05-2010, 11:49 AM
ThisGuy2, Thanks for all the info.
I know this is off topic--but related. It's been a long time since I've run any cycles of "real" gear. I used to be able years ago to get everything domestic; now I can still get pre-made stuff domestic, but raw powder only seems available overseas. I've never ordered international before and the thought of having to go to the post office and show ID and sign for a package just freaks me out--absolutely no desire to be mistaken for someone trying to "distribute" because I buy a little raw powders--but one source has a 100 g. minimum for test base. That just seems like you're asking for distribution charges.
Am I overreacting? Is it safe to sign for these packages?
02-05-2010, 12:15 PM
02-05-2010, 01:31 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I know the place you're talking about. Have you used them without problems? I was doing some research and people on a particular board--with a LOT of experience with this company--were saying that they had gotten less effecient in shipping, and some people (especially in the US) were having problems with packages being held up in customs for months.
02-05-2010, 09:57 PM
The bad thing about raw powder via mail is when packages get damaged and white powder starts to leak out and...well, you get the idea (is it anthrax? is it cocaine?). I have a lot of relatives that work at the PO BTW. The risk is low, but not non-negligible.
One of my close PO relatives has seen in person a massive steroid bust of a competitive bodybuilder, and a few street drugs busts (and nearly got in the way once). The steroid bust was domestic-a CA to SC operation. When they searched the dude's house later, he had ~3,000 pre-filled syringes in his walls (WTF) that he was distributing at a local gym (hmm...think somebody talked?). Now he's competing in the Department of Corrections invitational. Regarding the drug-mail busts, I am told that many of the musicians that visit the area where one of my PO relatives lives mail drugs to themselves so they will be there when they get there to perform (coke, weed, etc). Pretty stupid and pretty common for that area at least, but back to the white powder issue...
Anything involving the PO means federal charges instead of state charges by statute. The state could additionally charge you for other offenses perhaps. Federal courts have close to a 90% conviction rate which is much higher than state courts.
The 10 versus 100g could possibly help avoid a distribution charge on the whim that you actually get busted. You would still likely have to make a case for non-distribution though b/c they will convolute the math and see how many esterified amps you could make from the raw base powder, etc (maybe slight exaggeration, but they may try to hit you with intent to distribute either way). But in either case, you will be charged with conspiracy to import a controlled substance and conspiracy to distribute or conspiracy to possess a controlled substance and possibly possession of a controlled substance if you get busted after taking delivery of the package. Those conspiracy charges have at least as many teeth as a standard distribution charge, and it probably won't be concurrent sentencing either.
Most likely your package will arrive undamaged, etc. However, your package could arrive damaged (and suspiciously leaking), or the notice could get put in the wrong person's box.
I may be giving the raw suppliers too little credit though. Hopefully, they have a more creative way of packing raw powder than the stereotypical "bag". I've never ordered any (was considering it at one point), so I don't know much about that aspect.
If you do go that route though, I'll be curious to see what the TD base results are like versus esterified IM.
02-05-2010, 10:08 PM
He only cycles every few years I think, and he actually had to drop about 20 lbs of LBM over time at one point b/c he got sick of having to eat so much to maintain it (he was like 5'6 or 5'7, 216 lbs; now about 191 and still very stout). It probably wasn't after the bold cycle since you rarely hear ppl complain about a lack of appetite on bold.
BTW, I am not saying running bold that long is a good idea (or anything for that matter). He is actually very health conscious and not a dummy about these things, but a 20 week cycle...well, ppl have certainly done far worse!
That masteron TD sounds like an awesome idea. The veins would probably start popping out right after you got done rubbing it in!
02-07-2010, 08:07 AM
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02-07-2010, 08:14 AM
02-08-2010, 12:37 AM
i could care less about the gyno right now thats linked to tren(not being rude) i have gyno anyways.(puberty gyno) I plan i getting the surgery but thats besides the point. Has anyone seen any before and after pics with a td tne or tren?
And i have an older bottle of pene, thats more alcohol based. Think it will work just as well?
02-08-2010, 12:42 AM
knocking off the ester isnt to hard but 304 and 300 would really make that big of a differences? I thought masteron was ester free though?
02-09-2010, 09:28 PM
02-09-2010, 09:38 PM
Got a link to good info on dropping the ester? I'm gonna look into it further.
02-09-2010, 10:13 PM
It's so close to 300 that it seems like a small amount of it in penetrate or similar would be worth a test run. It should be obvious pretty quickly if it is having the desired effect (assuming you can get some of it dissolved into the penetrate solution/matrix).
02-11-2010, 12:35 AM
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02-11-2010, 02:47 AM
02-11-2010, 09:14 AM
02-11-2010, 12:57 PM
If you knock the ester off those, you'd of course have base...but if you got 10g of prop and knocked off the ester, you wouldn't have the same amount of test as if you got 10g of base.
In any case, we were actually talking hypothetically about knocking the ester off mast to force it within the constraints for viable absorption for a TD, since you cannot get mast base (or at least not that I'm aware of). Well the idea of having a mast TD is tantalizing, I'd just as soon make a suspension and skip having to furnish a small home lab to get there.
02-11-2010, 01:01 PM
warbird01 was asking about a comment you made earlier in the thread THISGUY2. I was just explaining to him that you you did make a tb td. But you were thinking about trying a different one with a ester but sometimes its not worth it.
02-11-2010, 05:48 PM
02-19-2010, 02:34 PM
jstrong20, doesn't Synovex H also contain estrogen? Also, is it Test base? I suppose you could use a SERM along with it but I don't know if that sounds like a good idea.
02-19-2010, 06:52 PM
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