Tried everything...... help ?

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  1. what is your diet like and how many carbs/proteins/fats do you consume?
    SFW and GFH


  2. i'd add in some oatmeal into the mix if your blender can do a good job of it, if not get some waxy maize (its cheap online). not only do you need to spike insulin after workouts (ONLY), but you have to fuel yourself before you work out (amino's and carbs), or your body scavenges amino acids from your muscles, robbing you of some of your strength. also inarius brought up a good point - stop drinking if you really want to grow. squats are the devil, but you will grow to hate lunges equally. again, try the mass gainer moves out (i forgot to incude the sled for legs as well), and let me know if they worked for you. in addition, if you're not 100% positive you're taking in 3k-4k calories a day, you may be only doing 2800, which may be too low for your age and metabolism. a shake pre and post workout will add in 500 calories easy, which will also help you grow, not only by nature of the added calories, but the timing of those calories, which is equally important. everyone's metabolism is different. when i maxed out my weight at 18 and 148 lbs i was eating like a pig everyday.

    breakfast
    omlette with veggies
    2 pancakes
    2 bacon strips
    2 sausage links
    2 oranges
    4 bowls of cereal

    snack
    2 packets of M&M's

    lunch
    2 double cheeseburgers
    1 reuben

    snack
    1 three muskateers

    dinner
    army entree (whatever the hell it was)
    1 reuben

    post dinner
    1/2 a pizza from domino's.

    granted diet wasn't clean, but if you're plateu'ing, its calories thats holding you back, even if you think you're eating a lot. in addition, i knew nothing about nutrition at that point (holy sodium overload, why 2 meals with veggie), so please god eat healthy. no pizza and make your own burgers.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Inarius View Post
    what is your diet like and how many carbs/proteins/fats do you consume?
    Well. I do try my best to do the whole 5-6 smaller meals throughout the day, but from work/school etc its sometimes hard ... i do the best i can with protien....got the shakes goin, chicken breasts eggs etc.. but i THINK im getting about 2600 calories a day.
    im not an expert on foods but i do have a budget and all the foods like that sounds costly?
    but i was wondering, to maintain calories....can i just eat like a pig, you know burgers pizza **** etc and then try and turn it to muscle in the gym?
    probobly not huh..... but no idea what my BMI is, got any GOOD supplements that WOULD help in mind?
    and isnt a drink okay every once ina while? or literally not at all.....

  4. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    i'd add in some oatmeal into the mix if your blender can do a good job of it, if not get some waxy maize (its cheap online). not only do you need to spike insulin after workouts (ONLY), but you have to fuel yourself before you work out (amino's and carbs), or your body scavenges amino acids from your muscles, robbing you of some of your strength. also inarius brought up a good point - stop drinking if you really want to grow. squats are the devil, but you will grow to hate lunges equally. again, try the mass gainer moves out (i forgot to incude the sled for legs as well), and let me know if they worked for you. in addition, if you're not 100% positive you're taking in 3k-4k calories a day, you may be only doing 2800, which may be too low for your age and metabolism. a shake pre and post workout will add in 500 calories easy, which will also help you grow, not only by nature of the added calories, but the timing of those calories, which is equally important. everyone's metabolism is different. when i maxed out my weight at 18 and 148 lbs i was eating like a pig everyday.

    breakfast
    omlette with veggies
    2 pancakes
    2 bacon strips
    2 sausage links
    2 oranges
    4 bowls of cereal

    snack
    2 packets of M&M's

    lunch
    2 double cheeseburgers
    1 reuben

    snack
    1 three muskateers

    dinner
    army entree (whatever the hell it was)
    1 reuben

    post dinner
    1/2 a pizza from domino's.

    granted diet wasn't clean, but if you're plateu'ing, its calories thats holding you back, even if you think you're eating a lot. in addition, i knew nothing about nutrition at that point (holy sodium overload, why 2 meals with veggie), so please god eat healthy. no pizza and make your own burgers.

    Thats a lot of ****ing food...... lol
    i really do try to eat as much as i can, lol but sometimes im litterally just not hungry! which is why i do the shakes quite a bit..... but is there someway i can put on the nessacery calories easy and fast? without eating junk?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bossdaddy92 View Post
    Thats a lot of ****ing food...... lol
    i really do try to eat as much as i can, lol but sometimes im litterally just not hungry! which is why i do the shakes quite a bit..... but is there someway i can put on the nessacery calories easy and fast? without eating junk?

    Nuts and nut butters (peanut, cashew, sesame), sunflower seeds

    A tablespoon of EVOO to your shake will increase fat cals.
    “Besides, it is a disgrace to grow old through sheer carelessness before seeing what manner of man you may become by developing your bodily strength and beauty to their highest limit.”
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Xodus View Post
    Nuts and nut butters (peanut, cashew, sesame), sunflower seeds

    A tablespoon of EVOO to your shake will increase fat cals.
    mmmmmmm. The sunflower seeds i can do. Unfortunelty im deathly allergic to most other nuts.......
    but whats EVOO? and i thought the fat cals werre the ones you wanted to avoid....?

  7. you still need fats... there are good and bad fats...
    stay away from trans fat... I keep Sat. Fat low too.
    SFW and GFH

  8. evoo - extra virgin olive oil. fats are bad if they're in the form of trans fat or polyunsaturated fats. monounsaturated fats though are necessary for healthy organ function. they are found in fatty fish (salmon), nuts, olive oil, avacado's. i'm sure i'm missing some other common ones.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Inarius View Post
    you still need fats... there are good and bad fats...
    stay away from trans fat... I keep Sat. Fat low too.
    Yeah aiight. So that fats in like the junk food and pizza an **** r bads ones then i presume....

    what about soda? like coke w/e i do drink quite a lot...... inhibiting as well?

  10. i'd stay away from soda. sugar is really not your friend here. think about taking in things that are not processed - no premade meals, no pizza, no burgers (since they have too much salt and fat) buy 96% lean and make em, no soda, no trans fat. thats the easiest way i can explain it. preservatives may/may not decrease absorption of protein/vitamins. nobody knows. we all do know that unprocessed food gives us better gains, so there's something going on. if you've got a meat market nearby, buffalo is loaded with protein, and is the same price (ground) as beef. according to USDA, it is illegal to sell buffalo that has not been grain fed, or has added hormones. keep it as close to natural as you can without breaking the bank and you will see better results.

  11. how much water do you drink a day?
    Soda will definitely hurt you. Stick to natural foods and drop the soda. Too much sugar and carbonation.
    You should drink atleast a gallon of water a day...
    You are looking for a supp but once you get all these down you won't have a need for a supp for a long time.
    SFW and GFH

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Inarius View Post
    how much water do you drink a day?
    Soda will definitely hurt you. Stick to natural foods and drop the soda. Too much sugar and carbonation.
    You should drink atleast a gallon of water a day...
    You are looking for a supp but once you get all these down you won't have a need for a supp for a long time.
    Figures.
    wow a gallons alot.....but yeaa that one makes sense.... hmmm so not even like creatine.....NO.....whey etc?
    And buffalo huh.....now thats wierd.... is it good?

  13. buffalo tastes like high grade beef. and you get used to the water. i started with 2 liters a day and got up to 4. a little creatine and whey won't hurt. take the whey post workout with carbs, and creatine as directed. if taken post, take it 15-20 min after the whey if your stomach gets upset.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    buffalo tastes like high grade beef. and you get used to the water. i started with 2 liters a day and got up to 4. a little creatine and whey won't hurt. take the whey post workout with carbs, and creatine as directed. if taken post, take it 15-20 min after the whey if your stomach gets upset.
    Ok... so you dont think anything pre ?
    and what about like a sugar free red bull? ....makes me feel better anyways....
    but i used to take the creatine like 3 times a day? maybe not completely nessacerry but surely it wouldnt hurt me right?

  15. creatine 3x a day won't hurt. sugar free redbull is OK for you, though b-12 by itself is so much cheaper. just try your best to stay away from as much processed junk as you can. you've got a lot of information in this thread, from a lot of senior members in this forum, so i'd give this whole thing a reread, and try this all out and see how much you can gain. again, if you adjust all these things everyone has mentioned, i don't see why you won't put on 20 lbs this year. and please god, don't start smoking, as that is what kept me from a lot of my gains one year ago.

  16. Post a normal day diet and what you are eating at each meal. carbs/protein/fat in grams.


    A few shakes isn't going to cut it.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    creatine 3x a day won't hurt. sugar free redbull is OK for you, though b-12 by itself is so much cheaper. just try your best to stay away from as much processed junk as you can. you've got a lot of information in this thread, from a lot of senior members in this forum, so i'd give this whole thing a reread, and try this all out and see how much you can gain. again, if you adjust all these things everyone has mentioned, i don't see why you won't put on 20 lbs this year. and please god, don't start smoking, as that is what kept me from a lot of my gains one year ago.
    Okay sweet. Yea i appreciate tha info. you think 20 lbs in a year? wow, but yea ONE last question ive had a lottta mixed results from but im killin' to know, the guys you see in the mags...like the proffesional builders, jay cutler ronnie coleman etc, can you honestly get anywhere near that size WITHOUT steroids?

  18. No.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  19. Quote Originally Posted by ReaperX View Post
    Post a normal day diet and what you are eating at each meal. carbs/protein/fat in grams.


    A few shakes isn't going to cut it.
    Oh jesus.
    lol thats difficult but i can do my best...

    breakfast : Bowl of cereal (Whole grain something or other) non fat milk.

    snack : protien shake, salmon rolls

    lunch: Chicken breast, rice, veggies, bread and butter

    snack: protien shake

    dinner: Pasta, spagetti, garlic bread, glass of milk etc

    and a protien shake before i go to bed...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    No.
    figures.

    ****.

    didnt think so, thanx.

  21. add carbs to first two protein shakes. DO NOT add carbs to your last, as it blunts Growth Hormone release. You cannot get massive like the pro's without steroids, and DO NOT take them or pro hormones pre 21 minimum, 25 ideally, as you can permanently shut down your natural testosterone production from them if you're not careful, and will decrease natural testosterone production for the rest of your life at your age. you have enough in your system as it is at your age. and 20 pounds is my guess from what you will gain from:
    1 - altering your workouts to include more mass gainers
    2 - drinking water
    3 - cutting out a lot of processed foods
    4 - cutting down soda
    5 - not drinking alcohol
    6 - being young with massive testosterone rates as it is and including more squats, deadlifts, and barbell bench.

    its just like going to the gym for the first two months. its not unusual to gain 10 pounds, then it stops or slows down. usually those people are not eating clean. if you eat clean and do the right workouts, i would guess 20 pounds would be an expected gain after a year. correct me if i'm wrong here folks. lastly, add whole eggs (2-3) to your breakfast. it is proven that you need cholesterol to gain muscle, in fact, more than the RDA includes (remember those are averages - cubicle workers, not a gym rat), and eggs are a perfect source. also, you need more protein for breakfast than milk.

  22. You might want to consider changing up your diet.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Inarius View Post
    jack daniels at 16?
    that certainly isnt helping at all

    I agree.....stay away from alcohol. It is bad for you if your are trying to gain muscle....and especially at the age of 16.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by manny1010 View Post
    I agree.....stay away from alcohol. It is bad for you if your are trying to gain muscle....and especially at the age of 16.
    mmmm. i figuredd.... ive gotten alotta that.... but surely in moderation it cant be THAT bad...? what about at like dinners and parties and stuff?

  25. once again depends how often. I would pass it up, especially at 16. It is definitely not helping you at all.
    SFW and GFH
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