How long (average) does it take to regain lost muscle?
- 07-13-2008, 06:11 PM
How long (average) does it take to regain lost muscle?
Hi guys. I'm going to be 33 soon and I've worked out on off/on since I was about 25. I got more serious and dedicated in my late 20's and after much hardwork and dieting I had reached my goals of 210 pounds @ 10% BF. I felt and looked great and had more energy than ever.
Without getting too deep into it, I was in a severe car accident in 2007 where a tractor trailer hit the driver side of my car. I was very lucky to be alive. The officers who came to the hospital to get a report from me stated that once they seen my car, they assumed I was dead. I may have felt like it for a while as I couldn't walk for over a month afterwards. I had mutiple broken bones, over 10 fractures, and a collapsed lung.
From the sedentary lifestyle, my health and mainly physique disappeared. I know I shouldn't feel like this, but now I'm actually embarrassed to be in public now. I have not been able to workout in about 7-8 months now. I am currently 175 pounds and I'm up to about 19% body fat.
But I'm also very determined. And with the help of some great medical care practitioners, I now feel I can re-dedicate myself to my workouts & diet. Thank God I have no permanent injuries and all of the pain has finally dissipated, physically and mentally.
I'm patient and know that I'm not going to 'get back' overnight but I'm also anxious & excited. In all the professional experience here - how long do you guys think it may take for me to get back to my previous state?
Also I've used 19-norandrostenediol a couple of years ago and I know about proper cycling, etc. Does anyone feel that a mild anabolic would be beneficial to me to help accelerate the 'rebuilding of myself'?
Thanks so very much for the help and God bless
- 07-13-2008, 06:47 PM
i wouldn't bother with a PH at this time. your muscle memory should get you there pretty quick. i'd say normally in 3 months you'd be at a happy weight, i'll assume you'd need 5 months since you don't want to re-injure yourself. you'll pack on 10 pounds your first month back at the gym anyways after so long of a break, so why bother with a PH? maybe after month 4 when you get back in the swing of things. naturally, to get back to where you were at your peak, i'd guess 7-8 months, but you'll have such good results your first month back, you might get it back faster just from motivation. anyways, good luck to you brotha. train hard, but train safe. stay on the lower weights till you get a feel for it again, especially with those kinds of injuries, be careful with compound movements as you don't know which muscle will tweak until its too late.
07-13-2008, 06:52 PM
Based on the severity of your injuries you and I would need more information to provide an accurate prognosis.
Where there any nerve injuries - nervation and or evulsions?
What type of fractures did you receive?
Was there significant ligament and tendon damage?
Any bulged or ruptured disks as a result of the accident?
How is your spine?
Have you had a complete physical including motor skills, nerves and reflex? EMG?
I ask the above because if you have any form of nervation or evulsion some muscle atrophy can be permanent.
I had a C7 disk injury that caused nervation. It atrophied my left pec, lat and tricep tremendously.
It has been 18 months and I am 85%. I may never ever return to 100% because some nerve damaged is irreversible.
This of course should not be considered discouragement. As without 100% commitment, discipline and effort you will get 0% recovery. Give it 100% and find out.
I recommend avoiding androgens for at least 6 months or more if you have used them before. If you have not used them in the past now is not the time to start.
Mulletsoldier may also have some feedback and personal insight as well.
Best of luck!
07-17-2008, 05:29 PM
Excellent information guys I truly appreciate feedback.
B5150, your story gives me more motovation and inspiration. I really feel for you as my father had a badly herniated disc in which he's had multiple surgerys now and he still is in severe pain quite often. Occassionaly he has no feeling in his legs and can't walk at times. I pray everything will workout the best for you.
As for me, I had multiple fissure fractures of multiple bones in my lumbar area in my lower back. Mainly the lower back supporting bones which we use to stand/support upright stability. This is why I couldn't walk for a while but it seems to have healed relatively good thus far. I haven't had a complete 'physical' like you say with relexes and nerves tested. I feel I should though since you mention it as I have insane muscle spasms throughout my torso now. My doc never much examined anymore in depth.
It could have been much worse and I thank God everyday for how things came about. I didn't suffer muscle/tissue damage that I know of or from the reports I was given. My spine has a 'slight curve' now but otherwise is completely intact/healthy. My lower back is very sore each morning when I awake as my doctor says it will possibly remain so indefinitely. After an hour or so of up and moving around it feels much better. My roomate has been helping me with some light core stretching and exercises which seem to help a lot too.
I appreciate all the help! Many of the things you mentioned my doctor never even brought up which is really making me think I should see someone else as these are all very important issues.
07-17-2008, 05:42 PM
an interesting thing here is that GH is proven to restore nerve function - as per the rate of them growing back after a neuroscapy. if i wanted to add anything (and check with your doctor first), it would be a natural GH booster. it MIGHT, and i do say might, since i am not a professional, help get your body back in order.
07-17-2008, 06:23 PM
I was treated by a spinal/nerve specialist. I just saw him again a few months back to get a script for mope PT/cervical spinal decompressions. First thing he asked was if I was using steroids. I told him no. But that opened the door for me to ask him about a few things.
First I asked about norandrolone (deca) for disk health. He recommended against it. His opinion was that androgens cause us to train through injury and further damage yourself. This is obviously a valid point. Tendons and ligaments as well as disk and spinal injuries can be further damaged by increased muscle contractile strength of androgen use. I also asked about HGH. He said nope, it does not repair or regenerate nerves.
He treats a few professional athletes. He even offered to give me a script to an endo, the same he has sent the athletes to. But his professional opinion was that HGH will not regenerate or repair nerve injury.
Now I do use PowerFULL and the active PureDopa for the HGH stimulating properties. Even if you were to get a script for HGH it is insane costly even with insurance as it will likely run out most annual
07-17-2008, 06:32 PM
07-17-2008, 06:40 PM
This is what I'd do..
Start a routine focusing on form and higher reps(10-12). after your finished this....take a break a week or two
and focus on gaining mass with 6-12 reps... or find a trainign program , max-ot, Gvt, I would not do Dc.
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07-17-2008, 06:44 PM
i was talking more about things like powerfull for example. my fiancee had a neuroscapy (Radio Frequency) surgery done. the nerve will regrow itself anywhere between 6 months to 5 years from now. it is the surgeons opinion, and my dad's (a statistician for the canadian governments "ministry of health"), that the time frame really depends on the age of the patient, therefore their GH count, since that is what is responsible for general growth in the body. of course, if you are missing a nerve in an area that is already painful, and it grows back, was it worth it? thats why i recommended he ask his doctor. i will hunt down supporting articles over the course of this week.
07-17-2008, 08:40 PM
Schizzle I wish I had some kinda great advice to offer, but I am dumb in the medical field. Best I can do is pray for you, which IMO is better than any prescription a doc can write. (not pushing beliefs, just trying to help a lil)
07-17-2008, 08:45 PM
07-17-2008, 09:15 PM
Yes, I agree with supplementation, as I stated I do use PowerFULL and 1-carboxy-2-amino- 3-pyrobenzol (3,4 diol) for that very reason. Does it or does it not help with my nerve issues is really unknown. Even an EMG is not conclusive. But gH does have many other benefits. Just not quite worth the cost of pharma's.
07-17-2008, 11:00 PM
cool points to you here for making me back my words up - few people do, though i doubt i'll add much to your prestigious reputation.
07-17-2008, 11:15 PM
Almost every cell in the human body is affected by IGF-1, especially cells in muscle, cartilage, bone, liver, kidney, nerves, skin, and lungs. In addition to the insulin-like effects, IGF-1 can also regulate cell growth and development, especially in nerve cells, as well as cellular DNA synthesis.
but thats wikkipedia, and i don't trust it. its also IGF-1 so i was off a bit.
Dr. Rabinovsky developed models of nerve regeneration after nerve injury and diabetes, using an IFG-1 transgenic mouse line.
(excerpt from some grant place)
Role of IGF-1 in Preventing Neurodegeneration in an IGF-1/SOD1 Hybrid Model of ALS - The ALS Association
During development, these nerves extend themselves from the brain to all levels of the spine with the help of a potent growth factor called IGF-1. This factor is well known to scientists. However, the discovery of its role in guiding the extension of the longest nerves in the body was a big surprise.
Macklis and postdoctoral fellow Hande Ozdinler isolated the long motor neurons from a tangle of look-alike nerve cells in the brains of mice. They kept the cells alive in laboratory dishes then bathed them in IGF-1. They also put tiny beads carrying the growth factor next to the nerves and made microscopic movies of what happened. "The results were immediate," Macklis recalls. "Within 30 seconds, we saw a dramatic outgrowth of the axons [nerve extensions]. IFG-1 increased their rate of growth a striking 15 to 20 fold."
(excerpt from harvard news)
Growth of spinal nerves is improved
i will trust harvard over some other junk site that might or might not be promoting a product. hopefully this answers your question properly. and its IGF-1, not HGH like i assumed it was.
07-17-2008, 11:16 PM
07-23-2008, 01:38 AM
As I am posting this I remembered that my doctor (spinal / pain specialist) was willing to give steroidal injections locally. I may need to revisit this with him. I will consider getting an appointment and bringing this research data with me.
He also was willing to give me a HRT referral Thanks suncloud for the effort and time investment
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