Squats and knees

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  1. thanks for bumping this for me alt, i'm going to ask a trainer to help me/watch me with squats when my knee is better. I HAVE to do squats the right way cuz i messed up my knee and it hurts like a mofo now.
    What should i look for now? my knees should be completely behind my toes on a squat?


  2. Your knees can only be behind your toes if you're short. Things like ankle and hip flexibility can also play a part. I was having some knee pain from constantly walking for my job and then I started squatting, going low and leaning a little forward. People say you're supposed to do it only a certain way but like all exercises there are different ways for different body types. Most of the time people who say they squat with perfect form and keep their knees behind their toes are short people. Over 6 feet for most of the people I've talked to, there has to be at least a slight bend in the back as well.
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  3. I doubt it has less to do with height than it does with appendege proportion. It may just happen to be that many of the more ectomorphic people have certain traits that make it more difficult, but I doubt it has anything to do with height and everything to do with proportion of appendages.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Alt+F4
    Yeah I wanted to bump this up again...a kid I went to high school just started going to my gym and today he was telling me how he's a gym teacher now, went to school as a Phys Ed major.

    I went over and started squatting, and after my 225x12 set he came over and told me wanted to protect my knees, and that they were just in front of my toes when I squat. Now I've never videotaped myself, but I know that about a year ago when I started squatting, I had knee pain bad. I eventually dropped the weight, worked on my form, and now I feel it is pretty good.

    My current form is legs almost to the edge of the power rack (I'm 6'1", all legs), toes slight outwards, bar low on my traps, abs tight, back arched, head up. My upper body stays at about 45 degrees throughout the bottom portion of the movement. Since I've been using this form I have zero pain when squatting (well, zero bad pain) and everything feels like it's working well. No back pain, no knee pain, no injuries. My hams and glutes get sore as **** from squatting, so I feel like I'm sitting back far enough.

    Any thoughts, or should I have someone in to videotape?
    Squat like a powerlifter and knee pain disappears? Who would have guessed

  5. Quote Originally Posted by exnihilo
    Squat like a powerlifter and knee pain disappears? Who would have guessed
    It's very true (this coming from a person whose goal is bbing).

    Ass-to-grass makes the pain go away.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00
    It's very true (this coming from a person whose goal is bbing).

    Ass-to-grass makes the pain go away.
    PLers go to parallel .. olympic lifters go ATG

    .. at least i think..

  7. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    PLers go to parallel .. olympic lifters go ATG

    .. at least i think..
    This coming from a guy who has "making PLers feel fat..." doesn't surprise me

    No, many PLers squat as deep as possible. When they're suited up, and it's contet time, they only have to hit parallel and the suit helps (as well as restricting their ROM).

    If you want to talk w/ a good PLer and get an idea of how they train, go to and look up exmgq. (aka pullinbig @ steroidology). He'll frequently take 1/2 of his 1RM (which is like 450, LOL) and do 20 x ATG squats. He was the one who told me to go ATG.

  8. fair enough kwycke

    i was just talking about in competition .. i've never paid TOO much attention to how PLer's train .. once chains and something about benching with boards comes into play ... I'M OUT! lol

    i get way too much pain going ATG .. thighs parallel to the ground is perfect for me no pain or pressure anywhere that it shouldn't be

  9. Hahaha, yeah, i'm not diggin chains, etc, either. But, I guess it works for them, eh? Increase resistance as the weight goes up...maybe it would help us BBers a bit, eh?

    parallel is good enough I just go down until i can't comfortable go down any further.

  10. ahhhh, you're missin out, chain benching is one of my favorite exercises!! and board presses, come on you get to throw around like 20% more weight than usual!


    as for the squatting, being 6'2" and mostly legs makes below parallel really difficult for me and I end up sacraficing form, letting my upper half drift forward mainly, but if I'm using wraps I try to get part of my thigh closest to my mid section 1-2" below parallel, without wraps I gotta call it quits at parallel, knees just can't do it...I'm only 18, i'm gonna fall apart if I keep this sh*t up!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Newb017
    as for the squatting, being 6'2" and mostly legs makes below parallel really difficult for me and I end up sacraficing form, letting my upper half drift forward mainly, but if I'm using wraps I try to get part of my thigh closest to my mid section 1-2" below parallel, without wraps I gotta call it quits at parallel, knees just can't do it...I'm only 18, i'm gonna fall apart if I keep this sh*t up!
    You just described my squat conundrum perfectly.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Newb017
    I'm only 18, i'm gonna fall apart if I keep this sh*t up!
    I am also 18, and I already tore my meniscus in my knee from squatting. I've been losing mass on my legs also due to not squatting or doing leg exercises for about a month.
    Trust me, you will be much happier than you know by lessening the weight and watching your form. I can't wait to squat again, because now i will do it correctly.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by handzilla
    Oooooweee, I don't think I need all that just yet man. Since I started my cycle, I've been rubbing some 1-test and 4ad directly on there to bring the ligament from 95% back to 100%. It actually seems to be helping.
    No big deal on having your knee scopped.

    Have mine done 4 times. Haven't had it done since I stopped playing ball though.

    Never found it to be a big deal.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    I am also 18, and I already tore my meniscus in my knee from squatting. I've been losing mass on my legs also due to not squatting or doing leg exercises for about a month.
    Trust me, you will be much happier than you know by lessening the weight and watching your form. I can't wait to squat again, because now i will do it correctly.
    What kind of weight and form were you using when you tore it?

  15. I tore my MCL in 03, that's why i started usin wraps, my knees feel so fresh the rest of the day as well as the following day, ahhh to be a kid again and have fresh joints all the time....haha, o well, I'll worry about it in 4 years when I graduate school and am done with football

  16. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    fair enough kwycke

    i was just talking about in competition .. i've never paid TOO much attention to how PLer's train .. once chains and something about benching with boards comes into play ... I'M OUT! lol
    All the wack ass **** we do is tons of fun. I can't imagine just doing straight sets of bar weight ever again... *yawn*

  17. plus the looks you get by all the casual lifters when you start unloading endless feet of big ass chains is priceless!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Alt+F4
    What kind of weight and form were you using when you tore it?
    i was stupid and was stopping at parallel, it put too much pressure on my knees.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    i was stupid and was stopping at parallel, it put too much pressure on my knees.
    Now you know, and knowing is half the battle

    I was doing this too, and my knees were weak and achey. I started going down far on most of my squats and my knees strengthened exponentially. I feel much better and squatting hurts nothing that it shouldn't.

  20. the only bad part is that i found out the hard way!
    it sucks tho cuz none of the trainers said anything to me when i was doing it.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by cable626
    the only bad part is that i found out the hard way!
    it sucks tho cuz none of the trainers said anything to me when i was doing it.
    I hate to tell you, it's probably because they didn't know you were doing anything wrong...going to parallel isn't wrong either. It's simply easier on the knees to go ATG.

    Plus, many of these so-called trainers need to keep up with their BBing education
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