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    Quote Originally Posted by pappybay View Post
    I did see some strength improvement, albeit what I would consider minimal. I think the gains come from pushing your muscles well beyond "normal" workout stress levels. The biggest thing I remember is the soreness in my glutes (from the squats). I was walking like I had used sandpaper for toilet paper.
    One other thing I remember now, My lower back was typically in agony by the 8th set. I remember having to quite a few times because by back was DONE........

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post
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    As far as this kinda volume in squatting, it may very well be better to start slowly, instead of just jumping head first into this much volume on that exercise. I am surprised you could do any stairs, hahaha!, depending on the weights being used and how much you have squatted over time!?
    And trying to do squats on a timer ie: (so many seconds between sets) will certainly be tougher in getting the heavy reps/sets in espeially in the end and you're more working the cardio respiratory stuff IMO.

    Also not trying to sell GVT or Smolov et al. short, but personally, I feel 3x5, 5x5, 5x8, 2x15, (at least for squats) is all you need to improve the squat a great deal, especially as a more novice, intermediate or even some advanced guys. If you put in the time and heavy work 80%-85% 1RM, one can get by with most of these twice weekly (once heavy once med to light) and really make huge gains in strength and some BW, especially if they are taking in enough food.
    If 10x10 build anything for some trainees, it will be learning to enjoy being pretty darn uncomfortable for a cycle of W/O's.

    Anyway, if you worked into the sets of 10x10/volume, (over weeks/months) it would not surprise that you could/would build up to doing it hard and perhaps hitting another session of lighter work a second time in the week and not be crippled by DOMS.
    Also, doing a lighter to very light set a 2nd time in the week or some BLDL's, RDL's, SLDL's, leg presses>(good one actually) or something can help the DOMS and aid some in recovery (apparently!?, as I am not sure about making recovery greater than it can actually be in the individual?) but it can help with soreness I believe.

    Take into consideration too, you are tall, and taller guys have further and deeper to squat, than shorter guys, which makes more work from less sets ;-)
    I totally agree with 10x10 being quite a bit of volume to jump in to. I finished my month but coming from frequency based routines outlined in my OP it was tough on the joints particularly, which I didn't really expect given training frequency. I wound up taking the last 10 days off to let my knees and elbows recover. I'll be back in the gym tomorrow on a heavy/low rep routine.
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    I apologize if you mentioned this earlier, but did you gain mass from doing this. I'm sure you made great gains in strength. Lastly did you do anything different for post workout supplements. I think I'm going to try this
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    Quote Originally Posted by WayneD View Post
    I apologize if you mentioned this earlier, but did you gain mass from doing this. I'm sure you made great gains in strength. Lastly did you do anything different for post workout supplements. I think I'm going to try this
    My weight didn't change but I'm measuring less bodyfat by roughly 2%. I'm not expecting much for strength gains, this isn't a strength routine but I'll have an idea tomorrow. I did not change my diet. In hindsight, I would have upped fish oil intake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VS91588 View Post
    Could you customize your lifting program so that you alternate from 10x10 to 8x8?

    Example
    Weeks 1-4: 10x10

    Weeks 5-8: 8x8

    Weeks 9-12: 10x10... ?
    Just for the sake of asking/curiosity, why?
    And why in particular 8x8 for 3-4 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post

    Just for the sake of asking/curiosity, why?
    And why in particular 8x8 for 3-4 weeks?
    To change up the volume every 4 weeks. Different training intensities. Constantly shocking the muscle. Just a thought that I was having.
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    Did trap bar deadlifts again this morning and added 20 lbs to the bar over previous session. By the 9th set my legs are shaking. I'm on my third week of this gvt program and already noticing changes in bodyfat and muscle mass. The trick is getting over the monotony of doing only one exercise per body part and then actually finishing all 10 sets.
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    Did 10x10 for barbell squats for about 2 weeks now. I needed to try something new because I have been lagging on legs; and yes I hit them every week I just been getting bored with my routine. I haven't measured but my quads look thicker to the naked eye... 10x10 are great!
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    I've seen so many variations of this workout. What is the proper one? Supersets? Once a week, twice a week? Can you post your weekly schedule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machmood View Post
    I've seen so many variations of this workout. What is the proper one? Supersets? Once a week, twice a week? Can you post your weekly schedule?
    I used Poliquin's outline.

    http://www.charlespoliquin.com/Artic..._Training.aspx
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