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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
    I think a mix is needed.

    The advent of sneakers provides a lot of advantages: cushioning, shock absorbtion, corrections in pronation/supination/arch support, lateral support, etc. It allows us to trainer harder and longer, performing higher intensity and impact activities (plyometrics, jumping, sprinting and cutting, etc).

    However, constantly wearing sneakers blocks foot muscle proprioception, and since many of the foot muscles originate in the lower leg (tibia, fibula, interosseus membrane, etc), will result in an incomplete development and/or atrophying of these muscles.

    Hence the need for specificity: performing agility/plyometric drills, pavement running, sprinting barefoot is increasing the risk for injury, but so is neglecting the extrinsic and intrinsic muscles of the foot. Therefore, after a high intensity track workout or on low intensity days, I suggest performing a warm down and low intensity running barefoot on the infield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
    Not if you start slowly and build up to it it doesn't. For some weekend warrior sure. Not a dedicated athlete or regular trainer. Personally I have never injured myself in BF , but have in shoes.
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    Crossfit

    Not the actually theory, but that way people implement it and make it into a poor form and hip trendy thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Not if you start slowly and build up to it it doesn't. For some weekend warrior sure. Not a dedicated athlete or regular trainer. Personally I have never injured myself in BF , but have in shoes.
    Most likely because of probability. I'm sure your time in shoes is much much greater than your time BF.

    It also could be situational, IE playing basketball in low ankle, running style shoes. Or you need a trail sole and you wear cross trainers and a rock bruises the bottom of your foot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HATEFULone View Post
    Crossfit

    Not the actually theory, but that way people implement it and make it into a poor form and hip trendy thing to do.
    No bro, didn't you see 300, those guys were swole. Crossfit ftw lol.

    Anything that emphasizes speed with weights and cares little for form, I don't buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    No bro, didn't you see 300, those guys were swole. Crossfit ftw lol.
    Yeah, they were huge...all 170 lbs of them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yeah, they were huge...all 170 lbs of them...
    I wish I could walk around in a thong and have someone cgi and airbrush my muscles, I'd win the olympia in my sleep.
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    I hate the people that wear a beannie while they workout. Im over here sweating my a** off and these kids are grunting and hissing curling the 30's! Wearing a beannie in a 70 degree gym is not necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    I hate the people that wear a beannie while they workout. Im over here sweating my a** off and these kids are grunting and hissing curling the 30's! Wearing a beannie in a 70 degree gym is not necessary.
    I've actually seen someone lift in sunglasses before. I had to leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNasty View Post
    I've actually seen someone lift in sunglasses before. I had to leave.
    There's this semi-big dude (meant with a bit of sarcasm because he's 20+% bf) who wears sunglasses all the time. One day when I'm feeling irritated, I'm gonna call him out on it. Bugs the **** outta me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yeah, they were huge...all 170 lbs of them...
    Easy Rodja, I have to work real hard to maintain 170lbs. I'll drop to 160 in no time if my calories slack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
    running in sneakers increases your chances of injury. when you run wearing shoes, you are striking with the heel and and then the toe. this puts all kinds of pressure on the joints and leads to shin splints etc. right here, a study done by Harvard states that fore-foot striking generates a smaller collision force. the only way to strike with the fore or middle foot is to wear no or minimal shoes.

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    you think vibrams cost a lot? walk into any shoe store and look how much the new "super cushion" sneakers cost
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    "Small studies have also shown that running barefoot somehow lessens joint impact by 12% and requires less energy than running with shoes. It’s possible barefoot runners land softer in the middle of the foot, put less strain on the rest of the body and are better able to use their toes to push off, creating a more natural foot strike.

    “The way your foot hits the ground in a highly cushioned shoe is very forceful,” says Dr Najia Shakoor, the lead author of a study featured in the article. “When you are barefoot you have a natural motion from your heel to your toe. We now think that’s associated with more shock absorption.”

    Of course, there are the obvious dangers – glass, blisters, bruising and infections to name a few. And not everyone is sold on barefoot running.

    “Wearing no shoes is brilliant if you grew up walking or running this way like Kenyan athletes who have unlimited access to sandy and soft, grassy ground,” says Lorraine Jones of the Society for Chiropodists and Podiatrists.

    The problem is most of us run on road or paved trail, which is extremely hard on our feet and bodies. I, for one, can’t imagine running barefoot (unless I’m on the beach). I love my Asics."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    "Small studies have also shown that running barefoot somehow lessens joint impact by 12% and requires less energy than running with shoes. It’s possible barefoot runners land softer in the middle of the foot, put less strain on the rest of the body and are better able to use their toes to push off, creating a more natural foot strike.

    “The way your foot hits the ground in a highly cushioned shoe is very forceful,” says Dr Najia Shakoor, the lead author of a study featured in the article. “When you are barefoot you have a natural motion from your heel to your toe. We now think that’s associated with more shock absorption.”

    Of course, there are the obvious dangers – glass, blisters, bruising and infections to name a few. And not everyone is sold on barefoot running.

    “Wearing no shoes is brilliant if you grew up walking or running this way like Kenyan athletes who have unlimited access to sandy and soft, grassy ground,” says Lorraine Jones of the Society for Chiropodists and Podiatrists.

    The problem is most of us run on road or paved trail, which is extremely hard on our feet and bodies. I, for one, can’t imagine running barefoot (unless I’m on the beach). I love my Asics."
    Hence the shoe market trying to mimic bare feet, but with a layer of protection. There are others besides vibram getting into it. Even Nike has a version.
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    well if its the surface that makes a difference, then maybe running with shoes on concrete isnt the best form of exercise. find a park or a dirt trail where running barefoot is the best, and then wear Vibrams to protect your feet from cuts and scratches. i dont know but for some reason i dont trust child slaving corporations like Nike etc. that brand new "supercushion" they market is probably just another piece of foam. to me it makes sense to go back to our roots, we were running barefoot for hundreds thousands of years before good ol nike came about to rescue us from our misery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    well if its the surface that makes a difference, then maybe running with shoes on concrete isnt the best form of exercise. find a park or a dirt trail where running barefoot is the best, and then wear Vibrams to protect your feet from cuts and scratches. i dont know but for some reason i dont trust child slaving corporations like Nike etc. that brand new "supercushion" they market is probably just another piece of foam. to me it makes sense to go back to our roots, we were running barefoot for hundreds thousands of years before good ol nike came about to rescue us from our misery.
    For sure. I have proven that myself, since I was a rural kid on a huge acreage who ran bf everyday all over the property. I was always first in T&F. Add in chopping wood and bringing wheelbarrow loads higher than my head and you had a kid who ended up also armwrestle champ of the town. Never underestimate natural hard work.
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    check this out:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/flat-feet-treatment/

    basically the reason why our feet look the way they do (going down in size like AT&T bars) is because we have been stuffing our feet into narrow shoes our whole lives. pictures of people who have never worn shoes like that show their toes being spread apart and equal length, therefore giving the person more stability while walking/running.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Hence the shoe market trying to mimic bare feet, but with a layer of protection. There are others besides vibram getting into it. Even Nike has a version.
    Nike Frees are comfortable and ok for a long slow jog, but thats about it. Terrible for sprinting or anything that involves the slightest change in direction. They also wear down really fast.

    Here are my two current trainers, both have a minimal heel. The prior has more lateral and arch support, the latter has barely any difference in high between mid foot and heel. Both are much better then Free's

    For sprinting and track plyometrics:

    http://www.zappos.com/saucony-grid-f...4-yellow-black

    For distance and lower intensity fast runs:

    http://www.saucony.com/store/SiteCon...uctId=4-103840

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    PS: I think I should note, that for the majority of the human population, we have been running in some form of sandals for the past 10k years. From ice age times, to greek and roman, to even the tarahumara, they ran in some form of sandals.
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    On that note, I wear these for runs:
    http://www.famousfootwear.com/Shoppi...oyal/%20Silver

    I also use Chuck's for pulling and squats. I should also note that I am barefoot during MMA work and that I wear flip-flops about 95% of the rest of the time.
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    there is only one shoe for me

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    I read this thread the other day and laughed. And then I noticed the most hilarious thing. A 20 year old kid with a bandanna, underarmour shirt(my 4 year old could wear) a bleached mohawk, and adorable little toesy sockshoes! And guess what he was doing? Sets of 2 on flat bench with 10 minutes between sets. PRICELESS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthersby View Post
    I read this thread the other day and laughed. And then I noticed the most hilarious thing. A 20 year old kid with a bandanna, underarmour shirt(my 4 year old could wear) a bleached mohawk, and adorable little toesy sockshoes! And guess what he was doing? Sets of 2 on flat bench with 10 minutes between sets. PRICELESS.
    I told you.

    There is a high correlation between Vibrams and douche. It's science.
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    While we're venting...

    People who ask my advice in the gym about something, start to listen, don't get told what they want to hear, then begin to debate with me. Stop wasting my time.

    Or, ask advice, you give them advice ("my shoulder hurts" stop doing presses behind your neck and ungodly amounts of upright rows and front raises), listen to you, then turn around and keep on doing what they were just doing. Again wasting my time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    While we're venting...

    People who ask my advice in the gym about something, start to listen, don't get told what they want to hear, then begin to debate with me. Stop wasting my time.

    Or, ask advice, you give them advice ("my shoulder hurts" stop doing presses behind your neck and ungodly amounts of upright rows and front raises), listen to you, then turn around and keep on doing what they were just doing. Again wasting my time.

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    Incline treadmill w/ hands on the railings.

    Talking to you while you're under the bar.
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    Okay.....okay

    I've found the worst fitness fad of all time (worse than shakeweight). Laughing Lunges...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Okay.....okay

    I've found the worst fitness fad of all time (worse than shakeweight). Laughing Lunges...

    ........you must be trollin cuz. That laugh removed any shred of attractiveness I felt of that girl while the video was on mute. Damn what an annoying laugh.
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    Haven't seen anyone talk about curling 3 inches from where you rack dumbells. Am i the only one that gets pissed at **** like that? Take a few steps back so the rest of us dont have to watch out for swinging dumbells. On the topic of curls, if ur curling and looks like ur bowling or some ****, straighten up ur damn form
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentBob187 View Post
    Incline treadmill w/ hands on the railings.
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    Rofl, too true
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    even though they are "trying" to help, people that offer a spot and lift as hard as they can at the first sight of struggle to lock out a rep, give me some damn time to get it on my own for christs sake
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    Yes, this too is real. She uses Vibrams:

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Yes, this too is real. She uses Vibrams:

    THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!!
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    Standing, crunching, whatever on bosu balls has to be my least favorite training fad. Ugh. Aside from that, I hate seeing people walk on treadmills for extended periods of time.

    This isn't a fad, but it's also something that pissed me off in the gym...I heard a group of women talking in the gym the other day and one of them, who was fairly petite, talking about how she burnt 2300 calories in a two hour workout. Sorry, but no you ****ing didn't. I managed to burn about 1300 calories in an hour a few times and I'm a 200 lb. man with really good cardio and it was SERIOUSLY hard. A 120 lb woman can not burn that. So many people that don't know anything tell other people this nonsense and they believe it, then change up their routines and diet based on crap information.
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    Last night, a guy was on a bluetooth earpiece and talked to himself the entire time he was at the gym. What year is it, 2003?
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    Biggest pet peaves at the gym..hmm.....
    1. Guys that think they are a bad a@@ becuase they got a strong bench..or are on some ph's or juice and think they are tough cuz they are big.
    2. Guys that can bench alot and think they are gods....but never factor in things like..how much they arch their back(which makes their flat bench a decline) or the fact that they have t-rex arms and only move the bar 10 inches...or the fat blowfish fellas that also have t-rex arms and bounce the bar 6-8 inches..
    3. guys who have the worse form and use tons of weight and try to star everyone down...lol..(punked more than few out).
    4. The juice crew that is on so much gear that they are too pumped to wipe their a@@ before they even start to workout.
    5. The super sweater who never wipes off the benches and wears the same stinky shirt that reaks of ammonia.
    6. Guys who have now discovered mma..and think they are the sh$t becuase they watch the fights and train with some guys who have no credentials, skill, or any f^ckin clue about any martial art..and are tapout geared up from head to toe.
    7. And guys who come behind me and try to do the same excercise i did and try to do more weight than i did...lol...but never can..( except bench..i gotta 78 in reach with ape arms and bench is my weak spot becuase i gotta puch the bar almost 3 damn feet...but still get 405.)
    8. guys who sit on the benches/ machines for 10 min between sets writing in there journal.( make note of the lift, set number, and reps..then keep going).
    9. the guy who puts three towells on different benches and machines to claim his spot and show he is on all of them..(love it when its on the one i gotta use cuz that towell hits the floor..lmfao)
    10. The juice heads that think that they are gods of the gym and are so bad..( if only they had a clue.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    The best shoe, in my opinion, is a good cross-trainer. It will cover all of your needs. A real shoe store will properly measure your foot, watch you run on a treadmill (to view how your foot strikes the ground, pidgeon toed, etc.), and will examine your arch needs.

    You will definitely pay more at a store like that, but you get a shoe that will actually work with your body and support you.

    After doing those tests, they pretty much eliminated 90-95% of the shoes they stocked as an option for me. They set me up with a pair of Nike's which are probably the best pair of athletic shoes I have ever owned.

    Guess what shoes they don't stock? Vibrams. Once I see marathon runners and Iron Man competitors using Vibrams and winning, nevermind...that won't happen.
    Just wanted to point out that I see people run marathons in five fingers, barefoot, and other minimlist shoes and finish in really good time. True, I have not seen any win yet, but many who I have seen win were wearing minimalist racing flats which are pretty flat, minimal cusioning, etc leaving not much there. Many of the big companies are making shoes focused on the same concepts.

    Not for everyone, but they have a place. In fact, they have helped me improve on my running. I had a tendency to heel strike to much and they helped me to correct that and helped to strengthen muscles in my lower legs which improved my mechanics as well as helps to lead to less lower leg fatigue.

    Born to Run is a great book to read to get more info on running like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    Born to Run is a great book to read to get more info on running like this.
    I'll check it out.
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    Good thread
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