HATED training fads (venting)

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    So I'm a traditionalist. I

    It's all garbage. Impact is bad. Impact over years ruins joints, wears down tendons, causes stress fractures, is hard on archways, and just wears the body down.

    Tell that to the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Tell that to the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico.
    And many of the east african distance runners who spend the first 15+ years of their careers running barefoot.
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  3. did anyone forget that we were all born without shoes?

    i wonder what the first caveman powerlifter/bodybuilder wore when he was gettin his fukcin swell on..... maybe some deer skin.. that he killed with a spear..

    and those caveman fukcers were probably some of the strongest dudes, with no sauce or sneakers


    no shoes for the win!
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  4. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    did anyone forget that we were all born without shoes?

    i wonder what the first caveman powerlifter/bodybuilder wore when he was gettin his fukcin swell on..... maybe some deer skin.. that he killed with a spear..

    and those caveman fukcers were probably some of the strongest dudes, with no sauce or sneakers


    no shoes for the win!
    Yeah, they didn't have houses or medicine either. What was their life expectancy again?

    I'll challenge you to a footrace on gravel and shattered glass. I'll use my shoes, you free run.

    We learn and evolve. I'll keep my shoes thanks.



  5. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Yeah, they didn't have houses or medicine either. What was their life expectancy again?

    I'll challenge you to a footrace on gravel and shattered glass. I'll use my shoes, you free run.

    We learn and evolve. I'll keep my shoes thanks.


    You would never beat the guys mentioned. They do just that. For 700+miles.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Yeah, they didn't have houses or medicine either. What was their life expectancy again?

    I'll challenge you to a footrace on gravel and shattered glass. I'll use my shoes, you free run.

    We learn and evolve. I'll keep my shoes thanks.


    You would never beat the guys mentioned. They do just that. For 700+miles.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by swollen87 View Post
    did anyone forget that we were all born without shoes?

    i wonder what the first caveman powerlifter/bodybuilder wore when he was gettin his fukcin swell on..... maybe some deer skin.. that he killed with a spear..

    and those caveman fukcers were probably some of the strongest dudes, with no sauce or sneakers


    no shoes for the win!
    What about those of us who are flat footed? Last time I wore a pair of converses I felt like my knees were going to snap in half, now it's new balance cross trainers all the way and my knees and back thank me. I didn't find out how bad my feet were until recently. I was squatting with no arch support and flat feet no wonder my knees were hurting.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by DerickVonD View Post
    What about those of us who are flat footed? Last time I wore a pair of converses I felt like my knees were going to snap in half, now it's new balance cross trainers all the way and my knees and back thank me. I didn't find out how bad my feet were until recently. I was squatting with no arch support and flat feet no wonder my knees were hurting.
    Run barefoot on sand or grass. Running barefoot stimulates and strengthens your foot’s natural muscles, improving your natural shock absorption capabilities. It is a known cure for flatfeets

  9. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    Yeah, they didn't have houses or medicine either. What was their life expectancy again?
    Actually, they did have medicine. Early humans (and some anthropologists even suggest neanderthals) were quite knowledgeable in the actions and use of herbals in pain, fever, and illness management.

    Of course, they weren't performing surgery nor using antibiotics...then again, the use of antibiotics and antiseptics is creating super bacteria via natural selection. It slightly frightens me.

    Br

  10. Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Run barefoot on sand or grass. Running barefoot stimulates and strengthens your foot’s natural muscles, improving your natural shock absorption capabilities. It is a known cure for flatfeets
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
    I think a mix is needed.

    The advent of sneakers provides a lot of advantages: cushioning, shock absorbtion, corrections in pronation/supination/arch support, lateral support, etc. It allows us to trainer harder and longer, performing higher intensity and impact activities (plyometrics, jumping, sprinting and cutting, etc).

    However, constantly wearing sneakers blocks foot muscle proprioception, and since many of the foot muscles originate in the lower leg (tibia, fibula, interosseus membrane, etc), will result in an incomplete development and/or atrophying of these muscles.

    Hence the need for specificity: performing agility/plyometric drills, pavement running, sprinting barefoot is increasing the risk for injury, but so is neglecting the extrinsic and intrinsic muscles of the foot. Therefore, after a high intensity track workout or on low intensity days, I suggest performing a warm down and low intensity running barefoot on the infield.

    Br

  12. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
    Not if you start slowly and build up to it it doesn't. For some weekend warrior sure. Not a dedicated athlete or regular trainer. Personally I have never injured myself in BF , but have in shoes.

  13. Crossfit

    Not the actually theory, but that way people implement it and make it into a poor form and hip trendy thing to do.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Not if you start slowly and build up to it it doesn't. For some weekend warrior sure. Not a dedicated athlete or regular trainer. Personally I have never injured myself in BF , but have in shoes.
    Most likely because of probability. I'm sure your time in shoes is much much greater than your time BF.

    It also could be situational, IE playing basketball in low ankle, running style shoes. Or you need a trail sole and you wear cross trainers and a rock bruises the bottom of your foot.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by HATEFULone View Post
    Crossfit

    Not the actually theory, but that way people implement it and make it into a poor form and hip trendy thing to do.
    No bro, didn't you see 300, those guys were swole. Crossfit ftw lol.

    Anything that emphasizes speed with weights and cares little for form, I don't buy it.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    No bro, didn't you see 300, those guys were swole. Crossfit ftw lol.
    Yeah, they were huge...all 170 lbs of them...
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  17. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yeah, they were huge...all 170 lbs of them...
    I wish I could walk around in a thong and have someone cgi and airbrush my muscles, I'd win the olympia in my sleep.

  18. I hate the people that wear a beannie while they workout. Im over here sweating my a** off and these kids are grunting and hissing curling the 30's! Wearing a beannie in a 70 degree gym is not necessary.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by drinkyboy View Post
    I hate the people that wear a beannie while they workout. Im over here sweating my a** off and these kids are grunting and hissing curling the 30's! Wearing a beannie in a 70 degree gym is not necessary.
    I've actually seen someone lift in sunglasses before. I had to leave.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by BigNasty View Post
    I've actually seen someone lift in sunglasses before. I had to leave.
    There's this semi-big dude (meant with a bit of sarcasm because he's 20+% bf) who wears sunglasses all the time. One day when I'm feeling irritated, I'm gonna call him out on it. Bugs the **** outta me!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Yeah, they were huge...all 170 lbs of them...
    Easy Rodja, I have to work real hard to maintain 170lbs. I'll drop to 160 in no time if my calories slack.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    It also highly increases your odds of injury.
    running in sneakers increases your chances of injury. when you run wearing shoes, you are striking with the heel and and then the toe. this puts all kinds of pressure on the joints and leads to shin splints etc. right here, a study done by Harvard states that fore-foot striking generates a smaller collision force. the only way to strike with the fore or middle foot is to wear no or minimal shoes.

    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08723.html
    BJJ = life

  23. you think vibrams cost a lot? walk into any shoe store and look how much the new "super cushion" sneakers cost
    BJJ = life

  24. "Small studies have also shown that running barefoot somehow lessens joint impact by 12% and requires less energy than running with shoes. It’s possible barefoot runners land softer in the middle of the foot, put less strain on the rest of the body and are better able to use their toes to push off, creating a more natural foot strike.

    “The way your foot hits the ground in a highly cushioned shoe is very forceful,” says Dr Najia Shakoor, the lead author of a study featured in the article. “When you are barefoot you have a natural motion from your heel to your toe. We now think that’s associated with more shock absorption.”

    Of course, there are the obvious dangers – glass, blisters, bruising and infections to name a few. And not everyone is sold on barefoot running.

    “Wearing no shoes is brilliant if you grew up walking or running this way like Kenyan athletes who have unlimited access to sandy and soft, grassy ground,” says Lorraine Jones of the Society for Chiropodists and Podiatrists.

    The problem is most of us run on road or paved trail, which is extremely hard on our feet and bodies. I, for one, can’t imagine running barefoot (unless I’m on the beach). I love my Asics."

  25. Quote Originally Posted by bikeswimlive View Post
    "Small studies have also shown that running barefoot somehow lessens joint impact by 12% and requires less energy than running with shoes. It’s possible barefoot runners land softer in the middle of the foot, put less strain on the rest of the body and are better able to use their toes to push off, creating a more natural foot strike.

    “The way your foot hits the ground in a highly cushioned shoe is very forceful,” says Dr Najia Shakoor, the lead author of a study featured in the article. “When you are barefoot you have a natural motion from your heel to your toe. We now think that’s associated with more shock absorption.”

    Of course, there are the obvious dangers – glass, blisters, bruising and infections to name a few. And not everyone is sold on barefoot running.

    “Wearing no shoes is brilliant if you grew up walking or running this way like Kenyan athletes who have unlimited access to sandy and soft, grassy ground,” says Lorraine Jones of the Society for Chiropodists and Podiatrists.

    The problem is most of us run on road or paved trail, which is extremely hard on our feet and bodies. I, for one, can’t imagine running barefoot (unless I’m on the beach). I love my Asics."
    Hence the shoe market trying to mimic bare feet, but with a layer of protection. There are others besides vibram getting into it. Even Nike has a version.

  26. well if its the surface that makes a difference, then maybe running with shoes on concrete isnt the best form of exercise. find a park or a dirt trail where running barefoot is the best, and then wear Vibrams to protect your feet from cuts and scratches. i dont know but for some reason i dont trust child slaving corporations like Nike etc. that brand new "supercushion" they market is probably just another piece of foam. to me it makes sense to go back to our roots, we were running barefoot for hundreds thousands of years before good ol nike came about to rescue us from our misery.
    BJJ = life

  27. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    well if its the surface that makes a difference, then maybe running with shoes on concrete isnt the best form of exercise. find a park or a dirt trail where running barefoot is the best, and then wear Vibrams to protect your feet from cuts and scratches. i dont know but for some reason i dont trust child slaving corporations like Nike etc. that brand new "supercushion" they market is probably just another piece of foam. to me it makes sense to go back to our roots, we were running barefoot for hundreds thousands of years before good ol nike came about to rescue us from our misery.
    For sure. I have proven that myself, since I was a rural kid on a huge acreage who ran bf everyday all over the property. I was always first in T&F. Add in chopping wood and bringing wheelbarrow loads higher than my head and you had a kid who ended up also armwrestle champ of the town. Never underestimate natural hard work.

  28. check this out:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/flat-feet-treatment/

    basically the reason why our feet look the way they do (going down in size like AT&T bars) is because we have been stuffing our feet into narrow shoes our whole lives. pictures of people who have never worn shoes like that show their toes being spread apart and equal length, therefore giving the person more stability while walking/running.
    BJJ = life

  29. Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Hence the shoe market trying to mimic bare feet, but with a layer of protection. There are others besides vibram getting into it. Even Nike has a version.
    Nike Frees are comfortable and ok for a long slow jog, but thats about it. Terrible for sprinting or anything that involves the slightest change in direction. They also wear down really fast.

    Here are my two current trainers, both have a minimal heel. The prior has more lateral and arch support, the latter has barely any difference in high between mid foot and heel. Both are much better then Free's

    For sprinting and track plyometrics:

    http://www.zappos.com/saucony-grid-f...4-yellow-black

    For distance and lower intensity fast runs:

    http://www.saucony.com/store/SiteCon...uctId=4-103840

    Br

    PS: I think I should note, that for the majority of the human population, we have been running in some form of sandals for the past 10k years. From ice age times, to greek and roman, to even the tarahumara, they ran in some form of sandals.

  30. On that note, I wear these for runs:
    http://www.famousfootwear.com/Shoppi...oyal/%20Silver

    I also use Chuck's for pulling and squats. I should also note that I am barefoot during MMA work and that I wear flip-flops about 95% of the rest of the time.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

  

  
 

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