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    pretty much new to dead lifts for about 3 months, but seem to getting better every time i perform my sets.
    i do about 5 sets 155 pounds 3 sets about 8 reps and then my 4th and 5th 225 pounds 1 rep for max.. is that good enough starting for GH to be release @ 5'5 170 pounds?

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    5'5" 170 are you JACKED? I have a buddy that when he's JUICED he's about 165 and looks huge and he' your height.

    Anywho..You have to start somewhere. As long as you form is on, and your gradually adding weight, then your good to go. I would stay aw3ay from doing 1 rep maxes. That makes me nervous as I dont want to blow my back out. Im working with about 315 for about 10 and havnt added weight in a month. Will do so next week, but injuries suck, So Im real careful.Id drop your weight to like 185 and get some goos numbers with those then gradually add 25 pounds and get good numbers, etc. I mean Im just looking out for your safety

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    Your goal in deadlifting shouldn't be to release GH.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoHNnyNuTZ View Post
    5'5" 170 are you JACKED? I have a buddy that when he's JUICED he's about 165 and looks huge and he' your height.

    Anywho..You have to start somewhere. As long as you form is on, and your gradually adding weight, then your good to go. I would stay aw3ay from doing 1 rep maxes. That makes me nervous as I dont want to blow my back out. Im working with
    about 315 for about 10 and havnt added weight in a month.
    Will do so next week, but injuries suck, So Im real careful.Id
    drop your weight to like 185 and get some goos numbers with
    those then gradually add 25 pounds and get good numbers,
    etc. I mean Im just looking out for your safety
    stocky yes... jacked? I wouldn't say so.... I use to be 180 natty early year.. now that I'm on test c I'm down to 170 cause I been watching wat I eat.. well for the most part...people said I'm getting big, but I just don't see it.. could be muscle dysmorphia
    thnks for the heads up with lifting safety.. I try to stress that on my self.. when I do does one rep max.. I get lightheaded for some seconds...
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    How long have you been training?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerkanadia View Post
    How long have you been training?
    training seriously back for 9 months now..
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    What is your objective of deadlifting? Hypertrophy (size), strengh (max weight you can lift), or power (increasing the speed at which you can lift a given weight)?
    Such will determine your sets, reps, %rm, and rest periods. Rest periods actually will have the greatest impact on the hormonal response. Shorter rest will result in a greater GH release.

    That said, I see a few problems with nearly every deadlifter. First and foremost, it is a DEAD lift. This means you are starting from a stand still. This is not tapping the weight off the floor and jerking it up again with your back. Its putting the weight down, regripping, resetting your hips, and lifting in good form. When I train with bumper plates on a platform, I don't even lower the weight, I drop it to the floor.

    Second, is pulling form. The deadlift is a posterior kinetic chain dominated exercise. This mean the glutes and hamstrings are doing the majority of moving, with the lumber back muscles finishing the lockout of the movement. Too many people have over active hip flexors, tight hamstrings, and end up moving the weight predominantly with the lower back (ie. hips elevate before shoulders). In a correct deadlift, the shoulders and hips will elevate at about the same time.

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    i dead lift for growth and strenght... when I go down I slam the weights to the ground and repeat back up.. am I doing it right? not sure becaus nobody has corrected me on my form..and ii look in the mirror as well...
    feet are shoulder with apart arms are opposite when I grasp the bar and I come down like a squat.
    I do 1 45 plate eachside and 10lbs each side...which it seems pretty Light, but I rather concentrate on form then power for right now..
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    What do you mean you "slam the weight to the ground"?

    If you are bouncing it off the foor, or not resetting the starting position, you are not doing the deadlift correctly.

    Each rep should be identical to the very first, almost a set in itself. Like you are doing 10 sets of 1 rep with 3 or 4 seconds rest in between. Hence it being a DEAD lift. If you are not resetting between reps, then chances are your form is not correct.

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    not really slamming it.. i do come down with force,but it's not a slam...do I rest for
    3-4seconds when I'm squated or when I'm fully stand?
    is 155 ok for me to lift with my weight.
    it's dday for me tomorrow. so I will add another 20pounds.
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    Did i read correctly in another thread that you're pinning test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerkanadia View Post
    Did i read correctly in another thread that you're pinning test?
    You read that in post #4
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    Quote Originally Posted by boricuarage View Post
    not really slamming it.. i do come down with force,but it's not a slam...do I rest for
    3-4seconds when I'm squated or when I'm fully stand?
    is 155 ok for me to lift with my weight.
    it's dday for me tomorrow. so I will add another 20pounds.
    If your gym allows it, I suggest dropping the bar to the floor. If not, then lower it quickly, but under control.

    And yes, rest 2-4 sconds between reps. Lower the weight to the floor. Take a step back, then step back in, reset your grip and hips, then perform another rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CopyCat View Post
    You read that in post #4
    Lol that's true, i read it in another thread too though.
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    yea we allowed to slam it..
    I have a thread on the anabolic section that I pin..
    500mg a week..
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    If your 1RM for deadlift is 225, i don't think you're anywhere near your full potential or close to needing AAS.

    That's just me though, and im probably just jealous i can't cycle right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerkanadia View Post
    If your 1RM for deadlift is 225, i don't think you're anywhere near your full potential or close to needing AAS.

    That's just me though, and im probably just jealous i can't cycle right now.
    Just give me reps and I will give you AAS..... Just kidding...
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    Deadlift is my "calling" I understand its a no no to do a max rep but I like to every once in a while. I usually stay around 250 to about 300 for ten. My max is 505. Big thing with me is make sure you switch your over under grip from time to time. Also don't always start with dead do it at the end of your workout when your tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    Deadlift is my "calling" I understand its a no no to do a max rep but I like to every once in a while. I usually stay around 250 to about 300 for ten. My max is 505. Big thing with me is make sure you switch your over under grip from time to time. Also don't always start with dead do it at the end of your workout when your tired.
    But make sure to keep form on every one even if you take a second or two in between to reset...(forgotto add that in)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    Deadlift is my "calling" I understand its a no no to do a max rep but I like to every once in a while. I usually stay around 250 to about 300 for ten. My max is 505. Big thing with me is make sure you switch your over under grip from time to time. Also don't always start with dead do it at the end of your workout when your tired.
    Always at the end of my workout before I hit the epilitical
    damn its almost midnight and i feel like doing some deads..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    Deadlift is my "calling" I understand its a no no to do a max rep but I like to every once in a while. I usually stay around 250 to about 300 for ten. My max is 505. Big thing with me is make sure you switch your over under grip from time to time. Also don't always start with dead do it at the end of your workout when your tired.
    Why do it at the end instead of the beginning? Just wondering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    Deadlift is my "calling" I understand its a no no to do a max rep but I like to every once in a while. I usually stay around 250 to about 300 for ten. My max is 505. Big thing with me is make sure you switch your over under grip from time to time. Also don't always start with dead do it at the end of your workout when your tired.
    pretty damn impressive wiy your mass.. with the bodyweight u at...
    like i said before only been deadlifting for 2 months
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    Deadlift is my "calling" I understand its a no no to do a max rep but I like to every once in a while. I usually stay around 250 to about 300 for ten. My max is 505. Big thing with me is make sure you switch your over under grip from time to time. Also don't always start with dead do it at the end of your workout when your tired.
    What's the reasoning behind not maxing out on a deadlift?
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    The reason I do deadlift at the end of lifting is because the muscles are already stressed and fatigued this way you get the real burn and use all muscles energy up for peak stregnth next round. And the reason not to max out deadlift too often is even with form you can still injure yourself but like I said still push it and lift heavy and hard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    The reason I do deadlift at the end of lifting is because the muscles are already stressed and fatigued this way you get the real burn and use all muscles energy up for peak stregnth next round. And the reason not to max out deadlift too often is even with form you can still injure yourself but like I said still push it and lift heavy and hard!
    Every powerlifter worth his/her salt will disagree with you.
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    How about doing your dead lifts at the begining and the end of your routine say three sets to end it,and at the begining because your not fatigued and would be able to handle the heavier weight with less chance of injury, and at the end lower the weight but higher reps 12 to 15 to completly fatigue your muscles and boost growth, I recently read about this for doing multijoint moves in the same way described above and was thinking why not for deadlifts any oppinions I'm completly open to critisism
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    I generally have put deadlifts at the end of my routine because i usually put so much effort into them, i am exhasuted by the time i am done, thus leaving me with a ****ty rest of my workout. Maybe i should give it another shot, doing them in the beginning.
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    I do deadlifts first and that works for me. Couldnt imagine doing them last. Even when I do DC I dont do them last... I dont do them at all. I just cant bring myself to do them last. Couldnt imagine doing them with anything less than my full strength.
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    If you are building muscle and are not on a westside template you should DL first in your routine. You will have more steam to lift more weight then you can finish with, whatever inferior movements you like to do and be done(just kidding) but really after the deadlift every other exercise exept the squat pales in comparison..
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    I deadlifted today 225 for 3 reps.. I was raging like a monster.. it was great.. and this was my last exercise and was already deadlifting less weight before I did the 225. I guess I have a new max to achieve...
    I can't imagine doing deads first because my muscles are not warm yet.. and not even motivated till like the 3rd exercise :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by boricuarage View Post
    I can't imagine doing deads first because my muscles are not warm yet.. and not even motivated till like the 3rd exercise :-)
    Well, this is a major problem.
    First, your performance is reduced because the temperature in your muscles is not high enough yet to optimally allow enzymes to function. Its the Q10 effect.
    Second, the sympathetic nervous system has not yet been activated. This means that your adrenal glands are not yet activated, which means arousal is less and mobilization of fuels is comprimised. (this is how preworkout stimulants can be performance enhancing).
    Third, mobility around the joints being used is less. This is because tendons and ligaments are still cold, and the ancillary and stabilization muscles are not being activated. Stretching the antagonists and activating the agonists have dramatic effects on power output. For example, before squats stretch your hip flexors and do supine bridges to activate the glutes.

    Thus, a thorough warmup is critical to optimal performance. This should include
    3-5 min of light aerobic exercise (jogging, rope jumping, biking, etc.)
    General Dynamic mobility stretches
    Antagonsit static stretching
    Finally, warm up sets of the specific movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Well, this is a major problem.
    First, your performance is reduced because the temperature in your muscles is not high enough yet to optimally allow enzymes to function. Its the Q10 effect.
    Second, the sympathetic nervous system has not yet been activated. This means that your adrenal glands are not yet activated, which means arousal is less and mobilization of fuels is comprimised. (this is how preworkout stimulants can be performance enhancing).
    Third, mobility around the joints being used is less. This is because tendons and ligaments are still cold, and the ancillary and stabilization muscles are not being activated. Stretching the antagonists and activating the agonists have dramatic effects on power output. For example, before squats stretch your hip flexors and do supine bridges to activate the glutes.

    Thus, a thorough warmup is critical to optimal performance. This should include
    3-5 min of light aerobic exercise (jogging, rope jumping, biking, etc.)
    General Dynamic mobility stretches
    Antagonsit static stretching
    Finally, warm up sets of the specific movement.

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    Good post.

    To add to this, make sure that you stretch AFTER your warm up to decrease the risk of injury.
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    A simple way to check your form: if your legs are straight (knees locked) and the weight is not all the way up you are simple using all back (bad). If the your knees lock at the top of the lift your doing it right. Drive the lift through the heel, if you have to flex your toes up to make sure you got this it might help until you get the jist of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbl38 View Post
    A simple way to check your form: if your legs are straight (knees locked) and the weight is not all the way up you are simple using all back (bad). If the your knees lock at the top of the lift your doing it right. Drive the lift through the heel, if you have to flex your toes up to make sure you got this it might help until you get the jist of it.
    No. If the legs are straight and you're squeezing your quads, then that means you're making the deadlift more of a hip extension lift.

    You're simply taking the quads out of the concentric phase as a synergist and that tension is then applied to the hamstrings. You're simply turning a deadlift into a stiff-leg deadlift and it's not hard on your back since the hamstrings and glutes are doing more of the work.

    When you perform a regular deadlift, the quads are activated as synergists through knee extension against the resistance of gravity and the hamstrings are the eccentric stabilizers (moving with gravity and aid in the concentric movement of the glutes by extending the hip. Once the barbell reaches the point of the knees, the lower back muscles become more involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingk0ng View Post
    No. If the legs are straight and you're squeezing your quads, then that means you're making the deadlift more of a hip extension lift.

    You're simply taking the quads out of the concentric phase as a synergist and that tension is then applied to the hamstrings. You're simply turning a deadlift into a stiff-leg deadlift and it's not hard on your back since the hamstrings and glutes are
    doing more of the wor
    When you perform a regular deadlift, the quads are activated as synergists through knee extension against the resistance of gravity and the hamstrings are the eccentric stabilizers (movingwith gravity and aid in the concentric movement of the glutes by extending the hip. Once the barbell reaches the point of the knees, the lower back muscles become more
    involved.
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    Another way to know if your doing it right is you should drag up the shin...if you have a few touch or red marks on your shins your doing it right...however if your hurting your shins by dragging up them you are doing them right but try.........manning up and not being such a *****.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverBullet7 View Post
    Another way to know if your doing it right is you should drag up the shin...if you have a few touch or red marks on your shins your doing it right...however if your hurting your shins by dragging up them you are doing them right but try.........manning up and not being such a *****.
    I have never understood this. My shins go untouched but Im pretty sure Im doing something right
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    If your shins go untouched it means your straightening your legs too early instead of gradually and your using too much back
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    I should have a video up next week so I will get some opinions then.
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    The degree to which to bar rubs your shins also has a lot to do with anthropometric characteristics. Torso, arm, leg length, etc. will all have alter the movement of the bar.

    But what Silverbullet is saying is basically correct: When doing a standard deadlift, your hips should not raise before your shoulders.

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