Poll: which creatine is best

which form of creatine is best?

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  1. 225 for reps isn't that big of a deal. That's not heavy.


  2. Maybe not for you beast, but for some of us it is
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  3. I have always followed the theory that it doesn't matter how much you lift if you can't lift it correctly.
    That being said. I crap 225.

  4. OOOooooch. That must hurt. Think I would rather lift it

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    I like DiM-C and Mono combined. This works best for me. CEE is a waste of time, IMO. People complain about bloat with Mono, but luckily I have not had this side.
    The "bloat" is due to the excess water retention caused by taking Creatine...and the whole point of taking it! So when people say that they don't get any bloat with CEE can you even say then that its actually working!?!?

    Anyway that to one side CEE is bad news, what TripDog has said is bang on....watch your kidneys!!!

    If your going to take it, Mono all the way, everytime!
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  6. Alright. I did a search and didnt find anything conclusive so Im posing it here..

    Doesnt creatine **** your liver up?

    As far as I remember, clinical trials resulted in finding that creatine supplementation -> creatinine and, bottom line, high creatinine are bad for your liver.

    I dont understand how this process changed in the past few years...

    Begin the flaming but keep it factual (ie gimmie some clinical studies supporting your claim).

  7. The best form of creatine? Is Neovar.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Lanbane View Post
    The best form of creatine? Is Neovar.
    CEE is bad news...I wouldn't advise people to take anything with it in!

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Fever View Post
    CEE is bad news...I wouldn't advise people to take anything with it in!
    oh. ok.

    Well you guys heard the man.


    P.S.~ The reformulation of Neovar doesn't have CEE, but I still disagree with your stance. To each his own.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Lanbane View Post
    oh. ok.

    Well you guys heard the man.


    P.S.~ The reformulation of Neovar doesn't have CEE, but I still disagree with your stance. To each his own.
    Of course, your totally welcome to disagree, I'd just rather pass on the correct information to the members that are lead to believe you need all the fancy Creatine formulas that include this and do that!

    Bottom line, find a product that is pure creatine, no other ingredients. If one serving is a 70cc scoop then you're wasting your money on marketing from their "advanced delivery systems".

    Raw creatine currently comes from three countries: China, Germany and the United States. Germany produces some of the purest creatine on the market, so find a product that displays the creapure logo.

    Summary
    1) Creapure logo
    2) Creatine monohydrate and little or nothing else
    3) best price you can find

    Its really that simple!

  11. I have had ZERO results taking craetine without a delivery system. I have tried creapure to. I swore i was done with creatine but was talked into trying Size on. It is working for me. I wish just creatine Mono worked for me.

  12. this discussion topic has been beaten to death so many times.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Deccadick View Post
    this discussion topic has been beaten to death so many times.
    Die, discussion topic! Die!

  14. As soon as you admit i am right

  15. Quote Originally Posted by poacher View Post
    I have had ZERO results taking craetine without a delivery system. I have tried creapure to. I swore i was done with creatine but was talked into trying Size on. It is working for me. I wish just creatine Mono worked for me.
    I'm not disagreeing, but have you ever tried taken creatine monohydrate with some simple sugars like grape juice, dextrose, or waxy maize starch? It's my understanding that most of these "delivery systems" are just simple sugars anyway. Just a suggestion if you're looking to save money.

  16. No I havent tried it like you mentioned. That looks like it is worth a try. Appreciate that tip

  17. Quote Originally Posted by krazy View Post
    Alright. I did a search and didnt find anything conclusive so Im posing it here..

    Doesnt creatine **** your liver up?

    As far as I remember, clinical trials resulted in finding that creatine supplementation -> creatinine and, bottom line, high creatinine are bad for your liver.

    I dont understand how this process changed in the past few years...

    Begin the flaming but keep it factual (ie gimmie some clinical studies supporting your claim).
    There is absolutely zero evidence of creatine monohydrate causing liver damage in strength training athletes. Any studies (from a LONG time ago, mind you) that showed any kind of internal distress from creatine supplementation were involving elderly subjects in hospital beds. So the results don't apply.

  18. Stick with good ol Creatine Monohydrate.

  19. Just get EXCEEEED !!!!!!!!!!!!! Mono is just a bloat an than you loose it after , its a waste ...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by krazy View Post
    Alright. I did a search and didnt find anything conclusive so Im posing it here..

    Doesnt creatine **** your liver up?

    As far as I remember, clinical trials resulted in finding that creatine supplementation -> creatinine and, bottom line, high creatinine are bad for your liver.

    I dont understand how this process changed in the past few years...

    Begin the flaming but keep it factual (ie gimmie some clinical studies supporting your claim).
    Ive seen this question popup on a few boards, I have yet to read or see any studies that say that creatine supplementation messes with liver or kidney function UNLESS you have a pre existing condition.

    I hold out with what I said above, CM is the way to go. Its cheap and effective and not just bloat. Read the studies that have been coming out for the last 10 or 15 years. Here's 2 examples stacked against CEE and Kre-alkalyn (posted on another site by str8flexed)

    ______________________________ ______________________________ ____________
    Creatine ethyl ester rapidly degrades to creatinine in stomach acid

    Child R1 and Tallon MJ2

    1Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. 2University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, [email protected]

    Creatine ethyl ester (CEE) is a commercially available synthetic creatine that is now widely used in dietary supplements. It comprises of creatine with an ethyl group attached and this molecular configuration is reported to provide several advantages over creatine monohydrate (CM). The Medical Research Institute (CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (CE2) provides greater solubility in lipids, leading to improved absorption. Similarly San (San Corporation, CA, USA) claim that the CEE in their product (San CM2 Alpha) avoids the breakdown of creatine to creatinine in stomach acids. Ultimately it is claimed that CEE products provide greater absorption and efficacy than CM. To date, none of these claims have been evaluated by an independent, or university laboratory and no comparative data are available on CEE and CM.

    This study assessed the availability of creatine from three commercial creatine products during degradation in acidic conditions similar to those that occur in the stomach. They comprised of two products containing CEE (San CM2 Alpha and CE2) and commercially available CM (Creapure?). An independent laboratory, using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP), performed the analysis. Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes. Creatine availability was assessed by immediately assaying for free creatine, CEE and the creatine breakdown product creatinine, using HPLC (UV)

    After 30 minutes incubation only 73% of the initial CEE present was available from CE2, while the amount of CEE available from San CM2 Alpha was even lower at only 62%. In contrast, more than 99% of the creatine remained available from the CM product. These reductions in CEE availability were accompanied by substantial creatinine formation, without the appearance of free creatine. After 120minutes incubation 72% of the CEE was available from CE2 with only 11% available from San CM2 Alpha, while more than 99% of the creatine remained available from CM.

    CEE is claimed to provide several advantages over CM because of increased solubility and stability. In practice, the addition of the ethyl group to creatine actually reduces acid stability and accelerates its breakdown to creatinine. This substantially reduces creatine availability in its esterified form and as a consequence creatines such as San CM2 and CE2 are inferior to CM as a source of free creatine.
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    Kre-alkalyn? supplementation has no beneficial effect on creatine-to-creatinine conversion rates.

    Tallon MJ1 and Child R2

    1University of Northumbria, Sport Sciences, Northumbria University, Northumberland Building, Newcastle upon Tyne, United Kingdom, 2Department of Life Sciences, Kingston University, Penrhyn Rd, Kingston-upon-Thames, United Kingdom. [email protected]

    All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp. (Billings, MT, USA) claim that Kre-alkalyn? (KA) a ?Buffered? creatine, is 100% stable in stomach acid and does not convert to creatinine. In contrast, they also claim that creatine monohydrate (CM) is highly pH labile with more than 90% of the creatine converting to the degradation product creatinine in stomach acids. To date, no independent or university laboratory has evaluated the stability of KA in stomach acids, assessed its possible conversion to creatinine, or made direct comparisons of acid stability with CM.

    This study examined whether KA supplementation reduced the rate of creatine conversion to creatinine, relative to commercially available CM (Creapure?). Creatine products were analyzed by an independent commercial laboratory using testing guidelines recommended by the United States Pharmacopeia (USP). Each product was incubated in 900ml of pH 1 HCL at 37? 1oC and samples where drawn at 5, 30 and 120 minutes and immediately analyzed by HPLC (UV) for creatine and creatinine.

    In contrast to the claims of All American Pharmaceutical and Natural Foods Corp., the rate of creatinine formation from CM was found to be less than 1% of the initial dose, demonstrating that CM is extremely stable under acidic conditions that replicate those of the stomach. This study also showed that KA supplementation actually resulted in 35% greater conversion of creatine to creatinine than CM. In conclusion the conversion of creatine to creatinine is not a limitation in the delivery of creatine from CM and KA is less stable than CM in the acid conditions of the stomach.

  21. And against MCC (post by Ingenium, from another site)


    Mg2+-creatine chelate and a low-dose creatine supplementation regimen improve exercise performance.

    Selsby JT, DiSilvestro RA, Devor ST.

    Section of Sport and Exercise Sciences, The Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio 43210, USA.

    We tested the hypotheses that, compared with a placebo group or creatine (Cr) group, a Mg(2+)-Cr chelate group would demonstrate improvements in the 1 repetition maximum (1RM) on the bench press and be able to perform more work at 70% of the 1RM for the bench press. Thirty-one weight-trained men were randomly assigned in a double-blind manner to a placebo group (multidextran), a Cr group (2.5 g of Cr daily), or a Mg(2+)-Cr group (2.5 g of Cr daily). Baseline data were collected for the bench press 1RM and maximal work completed during a fatigue set at 70% of the 1RM. Following 10 days of Cr supplementation, follow-up tests were completed for the dependent variables. Groups were similar when the change in 1RM was evaluated either absolutely or relatively. Both the Cr and the Mg(2+)-Cr groups had significantly larger increases in work, both absolutely and relatively, when compared with the placebo group. Partial support for the hypothesis suggests that low doses of Cr are effective at increasing fiber Cr content, and consequently, performance. Further, the Cr and Mg(2+)-Cr groups were similar in both performance tests, suggesting that the proposed mechanism of entry is no better than the conventional method when 2.5 g of Cr is administered and performance is measured as work. This study raises the possibility that a low dose of Cr may be an effective means of enhancing performance after short-term ingestion.

  22. Daddy says go down to walmart and pick you up a can of the sixstar creatine. its $15.22

  23. whats the stuff is nos ether? my strength atm is pretty good.. on par with size on

  24. Quote Originally Posted by AdelV View Post
    whats the stuff is nos ether? my strength atm is pretty good.. on par with size on
    Blend of MCC and Kre-Alkalyn

  25. Quote Originally Posted by TrulyHuge View Post
    Just get EXCEEEED !!!!!!!!!!!!! Mono is just a bloat an than you loose it after , its a waste ...

    What the hell is Exceed? Who makes it? Never heard of it, so that's a bad sign in my book.

    CM is the only creatine that works. The "bloat" is water retention, which is a sign that the creatine is helping increase your strength (intracellular water retention). No water retention = bunk product. If you're taking CEE and you think it increased your strength at all, I'd like to introduce you to a concept known as "placebo effect."

  26. creatine works, not for people with nat. high creatine levels but it works.

    Also of the creatines u listed probably mono is the best gram for gram.

    I think if you have to take more than 5g of a "super" creatine to see results then its no better than mono.

    The creatine malate does add malic acid which helps atp, but gram for gram those are all basic creatines so u might as well go with the cheapest. For me I have to take 10g of mono to see any results but with the 10g a day come bloating so I dont use bulk mono.

  27. whats the best way to dose mono?

  28. http://www.brianmac.co.uk/creatine.htm

    maybe its just me...but everything always rolls back to food.

    Just eat man and eat a lot.

    you got creatine sittin right in your food.

  29. Five grams/ cycle......your body produces creatine naturally...just like anything else....you supplement it..your body reduces production.

  30. Creatine Gluconate!
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