[pantera101]

Hard to tell from the small picture and angle,but it looks like a pit.They are beutifull smart well bahaved dogs.Many have said the easiest and/or most trainable dogs.I recomend you look into them if you want a dog.They can be hyper though.Crazy hyper sometimes.Get a puppy,treat him like a dog,and he'll treat you and others like any other dog.They sadly have a bad rep cause of their nature,past,and damage they can inflict from being strong as hell.Many dogs "attack" and never get news coverage.A pit attacks.......well from playing and walking mine,I couldn't imagine what he could do if he wanted to or was provoked.Look into them if you want a dog,you wont be disapointed.

[rugger48]

Originally Posted by Steveoph

Check out the roundtable discussion at http://www.mindandmuscle.net/article...CAA-roundtable

then you must have read this part:



L. Norton: BCAAs have been shown in scientific research to increase protein synthesis and reduce protein degradation. However, many people suggest that one can just increase their consumption of whey protein, which is rich in BCAAs. Unfortunately, this is not the case. The BCAAs in whey are peptide bound to other amino acids and must be liberated through digestion and absorbed into the bloodstream in order to exert their effects. Even though whey protein is relatively fast digesting, it still takes several hours for all of the amino acids to be liberated and absorbed into the bloodstream. However, BCAAs in supplement form are free-form BCAAs and require no digestion. Therefore, they are rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream, spiking blood amino acids to a much greater extent than peptide bound amino acids.

Even a few grams of BCAAs will spike plasma levels to a much greater extent than a 30 gram dose of whey protein. It will also impact protein synthesis to a greater degree (van Loon et al). The reason a supplement has such a powerful effect on the blood levels of BCAAs is that unlike other amino acids, BCAAs are not metabolized to a significant extent by the small intestine or the liver. Therefore, an oral supplement is almost like a BCAA injection because it reaches the bloodstream so rapidly.

Additional Comments
M. McDougal: The usefulness of BCAA supplementation in a hypercaloric state depends on a few factors. If one is eating significantly above maintenance calories with lots of protein, benefit may be limited. However, for the most part I’m not a big fan of eating well above maintenance unless one is trying to hit a weight goal under a time constraint.

Unless somebody has a very long way to go with either muscle gain or fat loss (super skinny or obese), I’d rather see people following more of a dialed in re-comping approach involving adding small amounts of muscle and dropping small amounts of fat concurrently.

Under these circumstances, I think one can find value in adding high doses of BCAA, especially during and after workouts. This way, one can keep their total calories lower to minimize fat gain while still keeping protein synthesis high by reaping the benefits the mTOR cascade we’ve all heard so much about in the past year. In my experience, one could reduce daily calories by about 300-500 and not sacrifice any lean body mass if BCAA intake is high enough around workouts.

Aside from potentiating a lower calorie re-comp, a high dose of BCAA during workouts (30-40g) tends to significantly reduce DOMS. In addition to the empirical evidence, this was also demonstrated in a study last year out of Japan with athletes finding reduced soreness after a squat workout. I don’t really care about being less sore, but what I do care about is being able to effectively train 3-4 extra days out of the month due to accelerated recovery.

[pantera101]

I think this debate is over rugger.Theirs no convincing the other side to the others side.It's been shown many times in this thread.All the facts and opinions have been stated...........Now it's about dogs.

[rugger48]

Originally Posted by pantera101

I think this debate is over rugger.Theirs no convincing the other side to the others side.It's been shown many times in this thread.All the facts and opinions have been stated...........Now it's about dogs.

Its a forum, debates are never over that why posts remain up. Also i wasnt trying to convince anybody 1 way or the other, I was trying see the reasoning why this article was so influential in helping sway opinion.

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by rugger48

Its a forum, debates are never over that why posts remain up. Also i wasnt trying to convince anybody 1 way or the other, I was trying see the reasoning why this article was so influential in helping sway opinion.

Because of every other one except for like one or two you didn't mention.You must have read those.I thought the article was completely against them untill one for them finally popped up.Then it was back to being against them.I didn't even realise it was different people at first.I was just trying to skim through it the first time and didn't even finish it.Anyways.........I'm just saying you're beating a dead horse.Prob start a thread in a couple months about it and you will get another big response with people choosing sides and nothing being resolved.