[Manimalia]

mix in something else with it. NO shotgun does the same exact thing, so i usually take and hit it with a splash of diet coke and then just watch it settle in. it's magic!!!

[rolandajoint]

Originally Posted by pantera101

I looked and didn't see it.I have a pretty vivid memory on certain things and I would bet my life that he said exactly what I said.I remeber thinking i didn't know that,and one less supplement I have to buy.I seen where two people in 2 different mags asked what supps are a must and he said some type of fruit thing vitamin,fish oil,and a calcium magnesium supp cause protien leaches those out of the body.

i remember reading that one. the fruit thing was like a drink to replace veggies i think actually. to get your servings of greens and stuff. and i believe i have that issue. ill have to look over it again. thanks for that link too Steveoph. im gonna give that a read when i get back from the gym.

[Steveoph]

Originally Posted by rolandajoint

i remember reading that one. the fruit thing was like a drink to replace veggies i think actually. to get your servings of greens and stuff. and i believe i have that issue. ill have to look over it again. thanks for that link too Steveoph. im gonna give that a read when i get back from the gym.

No problem. I like the roundtable discussions because they give an opportunity to hear a variety of opinions on the same subject simultaneous, which lets me compare them better.

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by rolandajoint

i remember reading that one. the fruit thing was like a drink to replace veggies i think actually. to get your servings of greens and stuff. and i believe i have that issue. ill have to look over it again. thanks for that link too Steveoph. im gonna give that a read when i get back from the gym.

I think they're pills actually.I seen him mention it in two different ones.I believe one where the guy was asking what an all natural bb'r should take,and the other for what he suggested as must supps.I think they're pills that have the daily servings without the sugar and carbs and all that.I'll prob look into them for the exact reason he suggested them.Most bb'rs are focused on carbs and protiens and fruits and veggies get pushed aside.

[pantera101]

I said to myself here we go again,but found this one right away!It's called juice plus+(info is available on his(dave palumbo)website)A nutrient dense product that provides the equivalent of 12 servings of fruits and veggies in four capsules with no sugar or fiber.

[Beandorf]

Originally Posted by Manimalia

mix in something else with it. NO shotgun does the same exact thing, so i usually take and hit it with a splash of diet coke and then just watch it settle in. it's magic!!!

That worked like a charm...weird tho I wonder why...something in it? thx dude

[RNS]

Taking bcaa's/eaa's isn't the same as taking more protein, free form amino acids have different properties than complete proteins, and can be pretty beneficial, mainly surrounding the workout and throughout the day during a large calorie deficit

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by RNS

Taking bcaa's/eaa's isn't the same as taking more protein, free form amino acids have different properties than complete proteins, and can be pretty beneficial, mainly surrounding the workout and throughout the day during a large calorie deficit

If you have a large calorie deficit during the day..........nevermind.If you people want to spend extra money on what you should be getting plenty of with your morning and post wo shake,and meals every 2-3 hours,then go ahead.

[jdev]

I had some CNW leucine that I tried to mix into water for about a month. It didn't dissolve. I ended up getting Xtend. Xtend mixes really well in about 2 minutes. Also i think NP has the same exact BCAAs in bulk that are in Xtend so they should mix the same (especially with a little added citric acid)

[Maverick60]

Originally Posted by pantera101

If you have a large calorie deficit during the day..........nevermind.If you people want to spend extra money on what you should be getting plenty of with your morning and post wo shake,and meals every 2-3 hours,then go ahead.

Dude, you keep putting that out there like its the conversation stopper.. But its not. Complete proteins, EAA's and BCAA's have different effects on muscles. Its not as simple as just increasing your protein intake and saying its the same... Some info on AA's will follow.

Here is the amino acid profile (listed in mgs) of 25 grams of a typical (some will vary) hydrolyzed whey protein powder:
Amino Acid Name Amino Acid Profile
Alanine-----------1115 (1.115g)
Arginine----------407.5
Aspartic Acid-----2550
Cystine-----------525
Glutamic Acid----4095
Glycine-----------367.5
Histidine---------363.75
Isoleucine--------1562.5
Leucine-----------2236.25
Lysine------------2268.75
Methionine-------440
Phenylalanine----491.25
Proline------------1363
Serine------------1027.5
Threonine--------1727.5
Tryptophan-------337.5
Tyrosine----------1435
Valine------------1326.25
Total Amio Acids: 23639.25 mg (23.63925 grams)
Total EAA: 10753.75 mg (10.75375 grams)~ 45.5%
Total NEAA: 12885.5 mg (12.8855 grams)~ 54.5%
Total BCAA: 5125 mg (5.125 grams)~ 21.7%
As you can see, hydrolyzed whey protein is close to 50% EAA and 50% NEAA.
In order to get the amount of EAA and BCAA that we need to ensure growth, a large serving of this whey needs to be consumed.

NEAA Are Not Needed
Research studies have shown time and time again that NEAA are not needed to stimulate protein synthesis when the EAA are consumed [16, 17, 18]. A study showed that consuming NEAA did not increase protein synthesis while consuming EAA did in fact increase protein synthesis[18]. A single six-gram serving of EAA is more than twice as effective as two, six-gram servings of mixed amino acids (EAA and NEAA) in increasing protein synthesis [17, 19]. A 200% increase in protein synthesis was observed due to EAA available after resistance exercise[22].
It has been shown that exercising after ingestion of an EAA drink maintained intracellular levels of NEAA. This showed that NEAA availability did not limit protein synthesis. The intracellular pool of amino acids were increased with EAA supplementation, but not with supplementation of EAA + NEAA[16], meaning when EAA are consumed, they go into the cells. This is in part due to EAA absorption speed. EAA are the fastest absorbed of all amino acids[20]. All these facts show that half of the amino acids we consume from the whey protein are needed for increased anabolic activity. All these benefits were seen just with the ingestion of 6 grams of EAA.

So not the same, if you ask me. And I feel a lot better recovery wise after I drink my xtend, than if I just used protein shakes. So Id say BCAA do more than complete proteins as well just from my personal experience.

[smeton_yea]

Originally Posted by jsp0882

xtend is good but i think purple wraath is better. more servings cheaper price.

Im testing Purple Wrath Lemonade. It is much better than PW

[pantera101]

I wonder how I have managed to gain 50lbs without bcaa's maverick?I wonder how the bb'rs back in the day did it?I also wonder why people rave on about how protien is so important,yet never say select bcaa's are a must?It's alwyas protien,multi,and fish oil.Possibly with some creatine as must haves.

[pantera101]

Originally Posted by Steveoph

Check out the roundtable discussion at BCAA Supplementation Roundtable | Mind and Muscle

Just incase you missed it maverick.........But i'm guessing they're wrong and so is dave palumbo and others with common sence.This isn't a complicated matter.It's plain and simple. The only somewhat arguable pro for using bcaa's is if you are in a calorie deficit state,you can take them without increasing calories.People in general need to learn how to eat instead of looking for the magic pill!

[Maverick60]

Originally Posted by pantera101

I wonder how I have managed to gain 50lbs without bcaa's maverick?I wonder how the bb'rs back in the day did it?

People in general need to learn how to eat instead of looking for the magic pill!

From the guy using roids right now... Its the roids man, the roids. You know, those magic pills youre logging...

From that round table... Layne Norton is on my side, and I like him better than all those other guys.


But I like eating the xtend powder and washing it down with water.. I thought it was weird at first, but got used to it. Im too lazy to plug in my magic bullet every time.