- 10-02-2007, 10:47 PM
- 10-02-2007, 10:57 PM
here's the scoop. lots of people have been talking about no2 black and it's not because its a good product. From what ive heard its like 100 dollars or so. Just because it has a fancy box and is really expensive does NOT make it a godly preworkout supplement. back when i looked at the ingredience list no2 black seemed like nothing more than AAKG with some other stuff in it. Not worth 100+ dollars my friend and those super amazing pumps or w/e they claim is bull. get bulk AAKG from nutraplanet. 100g = 7 bucks. thats a deal. dont be tricked by fake marketing and a fancy box. expensive doesnt always mean great. it means their good at their jobs which is to trick the uninformed consumer. I would recommend either White Flood + citrulline malate (200g) which will cost you about 50 bucks and last for 3+ months. Those are some intense pumps for half the price. or bulk citruliine malate + beta alinine + AAKG up to you. save your money. dont buy junk.
- 10-02-2007, 11:00 PM
10-02-2007, 11:13 PM
im mixing them both thats alot. im 195 pounds. how many scoops of each product would i take. also when. before and after workouts?
10-02-2007, 11:28 PM
well ive never tried, AAKG but thats the main ingredience in no2 black from what I see. I have tried citrulline malate and beta allinine. I usually do 3-4 grams of citrulline malate pre workout. my dosage of beta alinine intake is 1.7G per day according to the dosage of White Flood. My BA consumption comes from White Flood which claims 1.7g of BA per 2 scoops. Im roughly your body weight so I would say that would work for you. Not sure bout AAKG but 3 grams of CM and maybe 2g of BA 20 minutes preworkout should do. I would suggest you tamper your dosages considering everyone reacts differently. I get some pretty intense workouts on 3g of CM and 2g or so of BA. experiment a little. not all bodys react the same way you know.
10-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Lol, I just checked out their website. They claim 950% increase in NOS.
10-03-2007, 03:12 PM
10-03-2007, 04:07 PM
10-03-2007, 06:52 PM
yes they do ive used them and i get results
10-03-2007, 07:20 PM
Stop pursuing pain and start pursuing strength and then you'll be able to cut your supplement budget in half and get closer to your goals.
10-03-2007, 07:33 PM
10-03-2007, 07:40 PM
Basically, it's not worth the money for NO supplements.
10-03-2007, 07:46 PM
10-03-2007, 11:21 PM
some friends of mine waste there money on NO supplements, i agree its a waste, id much rather just spend 8$ or so and get some free form arginine.
10-03-2007, 11:25 PM
Yeah dudeeeee, screw NO supplements, I'd rather buy something 100% times more effective like Creatine Ethyl Ester....hahaha
10-04-2007, 03:08 AM
CEE is not that good .... I prefer Creatine Monohydrate for a bulk !
10-04-2007, 07:04 AM
i think endorush is a great pre-workout supp. thats all i need
10-04-2007, 07:32 AM
Endorush is awesome.
10-04-2007, 08:28 AM
actually i weighed 135 pounds 4 years ago. i gained 35 pounds of rock hard muscle by taking no2 and of coarse high amount of calories but no2 in cojunction with my meals and work out i gain good strength and weight and very veiny pumps.
10-04-2007, 08:29 AM
i gained the 35 pounds in 2 years
10-04-2007, 08:52 AM
Not trying to be a d-ck or anything, but it is a pet peeve when people say they 'gained # of pounds' when this gain is merely looking at the scale and making a rough mental note of what they weigh. Even with steroids, there are a bunch of people who just look at the scale and say I gained...blah.
What is more appropriate to say is:
'I believe I gained approx. 35 pounds in 2 years, however this number is subjective to many inconsistancies that I may not know about and was concluded in a non-scientific manner'
I also noticed you posted something about 'DBol for a first timer'.........so I am assuming you are natural. Naturally putting on 35lbs in 2 years is even more absurd.
Sorry there's just a lot of things that piss me off and ignorance is one of them.
10-05-2007, 08:29 AM
you are pretty smart. it isnt a scientific number. im not ignorant but it pissis me off when someone says a supplement is ****ty when they havn t even tried it.
10-05-2007, 08:33 AM
10-05-2007, 08:38 AM
10-05-2007, 08:45 AM
35 lbs can be gained in 2 years no doubt about that. I went from 158 to 187lbs in 2 years which is a 29 lbs gain. Of course this was fat included as well. The actual gain of just weight in general is attainable.
Shauuner said he gains 35lbs of solid lean muscle which I interpreted as ZIP, ZILCH, NADDA fat.
10% BF - 180lbs
2 yrs later
10% BF- 215lbs
No fat gain ? It dosen't happen. Sorry. If anyone would like to correct me and tell me that 35lbs of solid muscle with ZERO fat gain has happened to anyone I'd like to know.
If there was a fat gain on top of the 35lbs of solid muscle then that number '35lbs' is extremely subjective.
10-05-2007, 08:49 AM
fair call Reaper.............
10-05-2007, 08:49 AM
I just find it very,very,very,very hard to believe. If it were to occur it would have to happen with the presence of mega amount of steriods.
10-05-2007, 08:51 AM
lol ok i meant some fat and water...sorry i was in a bad mood and lean muscle slipped out lol
10-05-2007, 08:52 AM
Anyways for Pre-workout, the product I've found to be effective is ARLI's WTF Pump'd.
The lemonade taste kinda reminds me of puke+lemonade mixed together, and after you are done drinking it, there is basically sand left all around the shaker cup, but it has just enough stim and works very well as a pre-workout IMO.
SuperPump 250- Too much stim, made me sick to my stomach and go diarrhea like 15 times
N.O.-XPLODE- Made me dizzy from stim
TRAC-NO XTREME- The orange flavor tastes kinda nasty. It was OK at first, but isn't really doing much anymore
WTF Pump'd- Excellent pre-workout. Gross flavor+sand particles
10-05-2007, 08:58 AM
i will have to give it a try. but i dont know what to choose. there are so many like white flood etc.
10-05-2007, 09:02 AM
I've noticed a lot of companies overkill the stim aspect of it.
Endorush by BSN's @ 1/4-1/2 bottle is good
WTF Pump'd by ALRI is also good 40 min to workout.
I've been trying different preworkout stuff and reporting back on how they work.
I'm not trying to stirr the pot or anything, but I'll never buy stuff from Controlled Labs again.
10-05-2007, 09:05 AM
really,, thanks for givin me heads up because i was just told to buy it because its cheap and works awsom.
10-05-2007, 09:57 AM
10-05-2007, 09:58 AM
10-05-2007, 09:59 AM
10-05-2007, 10:06 AM
10-05-2007, 10:06 AM
10-05-2007, 10:08 AM
I only use monohydrate. Even using ALRI's WTF Pump'd it has CEE which I disregard and mix monohydrate with. Whenever I use pre-workout supps I always add my own monohydrate just because.
I suffer bad from monohydrate which leads me to only use it for periods of about 4 weeks at a time. I consistantly gain 3-4lbs in water weight and it makes me sick to my stomach sometimes as well.
10-05-2007, 10:15 AM
If you are naturally skinny, untrained, and not eating optimally, and started working out for the first time on a good program and ate like a horse you could gain 35 lbs of almost all muscle in 2 years.
Think about it, that's only 1.5lbs/month, just a little more than most natural trainers could typically gain without "assistance" and without putting on too much fat. If you're genetically inclined to be skinny you'll have to work and eat really hard to do it, but you COULD do it and not look any fatter in the mirror, which is what really counts.
10-05-2007, 10:17 AM
Shaunner different things work for different people, stick to what you like. The NO might not add muscle physically but the peripheral effects it gives you, like your pump, showing veins might get psyched to have a really good workout. If you do choose to use NO use it with bulk aminos and possibly a dextrose medium.
One thing you can't forget is to take an Anti-Oxidant with NO because it is a free radical. I noticed you mentioned white flood, I think controlled labs are pretty good with putting AOX with their Nitric Oxide. Make sure to avoid products that contain L-Norvaline like vyo-techs nitrobolic.
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