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    Hello all, I used to be heavily involved here many moons ago and I back to learn from you all! I used a lot of PH's back in the day and saw a lot of good results.

    I am almost 35 years old and recently divorced. My Dr. believes that I have chronically low Test and wants me to get on a HRT of some kind. My naturapath wants to address it differently and I am not sure that I am ready to commit to some sort of daily HRT for the rest of my life.

    I am looking for alternatives. So much as changed in the last few years. To be honest I am not necessarily looking for a Pro Hormone alternative per se but who knows. I just would love to hear from you all what is out there now and is there really good products that WORK for increasing HGH?

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    sure, bulk powerFull does

    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...powerfull.html

    look at the description for regular powerfull http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...powerfull.html , or try looking up l-dopa
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    Drive for HPTA restoration ( Testers / Company info )

    Niacin for GH release at bed time. Work way up to 2g's right before bed on empty stomach.
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    Crowler! Thanks, good to see you too.

    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I appreciate it very much. I am looking into both products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    Crowler! Thanks, good to see you too.

    Thanks for the feedback everyone. I appreciate it very much. I am looking into both products.
    The only hassle of powerfull is that it (along with ANYTHING that raises GH) requires you not eat large amounts of carbs for an hour before, and 2 hrs after taking it. The insulin spike wipes out the GH. so its easy when you are cutting, hard when you are bulking. The actual studies used 100g, but it does chip into GH at lower levels. 25g is probably ok
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    OK, good to know on the Full. I can handle the carb restriction no problem.

    Is there another part of the name to Drive? Searches yield many results but they are all compound names? Maybe I just need more coffee.

    powerFULL is not a PH though if I read correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    OK, good to know on the Full. I can handle the carb restriction no problem.

    Is there another part of the name to Drive? Searches yield many results but they are all compound names? Maybe I just need more coffee.

    powerFULL is not a PH though if I read correctly?
    drive isn't quite out yet, its Anabolic Drive by applied nutriceuticals, should be at nutraplanet next week I think.

    powerFull is "just" a plant extract, legal by natural bodybuilding federations. Works great for sleep aid, also helps for recovery and reduction of lactic acid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neoborn View Post
    Drive for HPTA restoration ( Testers / Company info )

    Niacin for GH release at bed time. Work way up to 2g's right before bed on empty stomach.
    I must admit, I take niacin (nicotinic acid) before bed as well. Works pretty good at least for sleep and keeping me lean and mean. Stack with some gamma-amino-butyric acid and you'll be out like a light. The flush will speed up the effects of GABA. This niacin flush can also speed up the effects of a stimulant. It's important that you work up if you use the Niacin/GABA stack as too much GABA will cause shortness of breath, headaches, and even more flushing.


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    Powerfull is not a PH.

    You might also try an arginine, lysine, ornithine combo before bed for GH release.
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    Well I will get my hands on some Niacin and start working my way up slowly. I think powerFULL is something I would like to try. I do take a low dose SSRI daily so I guess I will have to see what kind of interaction I have if any. Hopefully there will be none.

    I will look into the AI Post Cycle Support as well. Thanks again to everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CROWLER View Post
    Heyyyyyyyyyy Jake!

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    What about IGF2 from your AI?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    sure, bulk powerFull does

    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...powerfull.html

    look at the description for regular powerfull http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...powerfull.html , or try looking up l-dopa
    Are you just capping these yourself or are you taking it a differnt way when you go bulk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    Are you just capping these yourself or are you taking it a differnt way when you go bulk?
    spoon last nite I mixed it in a musclemilk lite shake at bedtime, but 99% of the time I just take a heaping 1/3 tsp (about 1.5g) pre bed, a flat 1/3 tsp (1g) other times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    spoon last nite I mixed it in a musclemilk lite shake at bedtime, but 99% of the time I just take a heaping 1/3 tsp (about 1.5g) pre bed, a flat 1/3 tsp (1g) other times.
    Perfect. I'm going bulk then. Tell me your expierence with it! I would love to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    Perfect. I'm going bulk then. Tell me your expierence with it! I would love to know.
    I'm on my third 100g container, and will be continuing to reorder. I mostly use it as a sleep aid, but sometimes during the day as well. Its just that since I am bulking now I am taking in loads of carbs. So I never go 2 hrs without lots of carbs in system, other than right before bed. With 1g of tryptophan, its the best sleep aid I know Definitely be prepared to shave more often, and clip nails more often. Hmm what else. you may want to try the bulk 1-carboxy

    Bulk 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol (3,4 diol) (100 grams) By NutraPlanet

    which is a similar compound, an l-dopa derivate also from USP labs, but has a little bit different extraction process. I haven't tried that yet, but should be quite similar resultswise, possibly better. Its basically what is in new powerfull. I may try that next container. When I go back to cutting, i'll go back to 2-3 doses a day.
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    Holy sh!t windwords ! Good to see you again bro. You're one of the founding members

    I like P-Full but I take 10 grams a day of the bulk powder. You get used to the taste, which isn't that bad to begin with.

    Many people like arginine with lysine for a GH boost. ATD is pretty solid for a test boost as well.
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    Just wanted to give you the link to what started me on my niacin thing. Be careful to only use regular niacin not the other non flush stuff! I started it for Cholesterol issues:

    http://intelegen.com/nutrients/niacin.htm
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    Just make sure the niacin contained in the bottle is labeld nicotinic acid and all will be good.

    As for the IGF2 supp, that's not AI that's AN(Applied Nutraceuticals), which has a lot of similar characteristics to PFull including ldopa and test boosting properties.

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    Good posts guys, I'm thinking about getting some of the bulk . Anybody know if it is being discontinued like the Bulk Powerful ( atleast i heard bulk PFul was being discontinuted)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    sure, bulk powerFull does

    http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...powerfull.html

    look at the description for regular powerfull http://store.anabolicminds.com/produ...powerfull.html , or try looking up l-dopa
    Any other good places to shop for this in bulk? It is not available from nutraplanet....Thanks for letting me know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by prld2gr8ns View Post
    Just make sure the niacin contained in the bottle is labeld nicotinic acid and all will be good.
    As opposed to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    . you may want to try the bulk 1-carboxy

    Bulk 1-carboxy-2-amino-3-pyrobenzol (3,4 diol) (100 grams) By NutraPlanet

    which is a similar compound, an l-dopa derivate also from USP labs, but has a little bit different extraction process. I haven't tried that yet, but should be quite similar resultswise, possibly better. Its basically what is in new powerfull. I may try that next container. When I go back to cutting, i'll go back to 2-3 doses a day.
    OK, I went with this for now. I could not tell what was up with the powerFULL bulk product.

    Anyone use this particular product and have feedback? Thanks again to everyone!
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    this okay, sorry to jump in...
    Niacin 500 mg (100 tabs) By NOW Foods

    I have been on powerfull for a while now. It is awesome for sleep and wicked dreams.
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    I believe that NOW niacin is fine.....and damn I have been paying Wallymart for a few months now like 13$ Gonna buy NP next time x 5

    NP I love joo long time....

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    Hey WW, didn't see you earlier..welcome back!

    For GH, also look into pGHT by Universal Kits. I like it a lot.

    To get your free test levels higher, nothing beats a nice 50/50 mix of 95% nettle root and avena sativa extract. Both lower SHBG and unbind test pretty rapidly. Also good for improved sleep and mood.

    Drive or any forskohlin based product will boost overall test and thyroid output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    Hey WW, didn't see you earlier..welcome back!

    For GH, also look into pGHT by Universal Kits. I like it a lot.

    To get your free test levels higher, nothing beats a nice 50/50 mix of 95% nettle root and avena sativa extract. Both lower SHBG and unbind test pretty rapidly. Also good for improved sleep and mood.

    Drive or any forskohlin based product will boost overall test and thyroid output.
    the pGHT would be nice, except Universal Kits doesn't seem to actully ship things people order or respond to emails or respond to posts in their forum on this board.
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    I think it's a wait and see type of problem. Supposedly UK reorganized his system and all hell broke loose or something. I honestly hope they get back on track because it's a good product.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    I do take a low dose SSRI daily
    That's the reason your test levels are low.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigAk View Post
    That's the reason your test levels are low.
    Any suggestions?
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    Don't take an SSRI, try another class of anti depressant (if that is why you take one).
    Check out Wikipedia for some ideas (I like wellburtion) then discuss it with your doctor.
    (I'm not saying anyone should take Wikipedia as fact, I am just saying it is a good source of ideas to discuss with your doctor).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    the pGHT would be nice, except Universal Kits doesn't seem to actully ship things people order or respond to emails or respond to posts in their forum on this board.
    Actually I got my order it just took a lot longer than before.

    PGH-T and 1 ATD or Rebound Reloaded does wonders for HGH levels and testostrone levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelix View Post
    Don't take an SSRI, try another class of anti depressant (if that is why you take one).
    Check out Wikipedia for some ideas (I like wellburtion) then discuss it with your doctor.
    (I'm not saying anyone should take Wikipedia as fact, I am just saying it is a good source of ideas to discuss with your doctor).
    I'm on 5mg daily of Lexapro. I can't take Wellbutrin. I have pretty much exhausted the current drugs available on the market today and have finally had success with no real sides with low dose Lex. I did not realize that SSRI's have such a dramatic effect on hormone levels and will bring it up the next time I meet with my Dr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Werewolf View Post
    Actually I got my order it just took a lot longer than before.

    PGH-T and 1 ATD or Rebound Reloaded does wonders for HGH levels and testostrone levels.
    Since Rebound Reloaded is Disco is there another product that is good in the same class?
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    You know, maybe we should talk to Primordial Performance and see if they are interested in doing a pGH-t type product. They seem pretty cool and innovative in transdermals.
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    actually i wonder about just getting the carrier and doing GABA in it. I've got about 50g here. hmmm
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    SSRI side effects are many, and permanently "damaging" (in my opinion) your brain. But that's my spin, and I'm not a doctor.

    Hey if you can't be happy without them, they are worth it, but if you can find any other fix, go with that.

    There are all kinds of other anti depressants, like NRI, DRI, SSNE etc etc.

    If you are so inclined, very low dose ketamine is showing remarkable results.

    Way off topic. Sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windwords7 View Post
    Since Rebound Reloaded is Disco is there another product that is good in the same class?
    ATD sold as generic under several brands
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    OK, well I am working in concert with my N.D. on this issue and he is looking at all the supps that you guys are discussing here. He like the L-Dopa geared supps for sure. He is also using a bio-identical version of straight test with me in concert with supporting supps to jump my test levels up and get things moving in the right direction. I got a 100mg shot in the right cheek today of test and he is having a compounding pharmacy make me a test and dhea transdermal (he likes dhea in dermals for some reason) to be used for a yet to be full determined season while I do the next gen powerFULL and another product that has Saponins, Withanolides, and Naturally occourning Levodopa from Mucina Pruiens.

    He also things that my liver has an issue with coverting anything orally consumed to Estrogen and that there is where much of of side effect symptoms that I have suffered with for years have the origin. He has some natural Anti-E that he is going to start me on in 2 weeks.

    What do you guys think so far?
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    Indole-3-Carbinol is the estrogen supp he wants to put me on...not sure what exactly this is supposed to do for me in my case but he seems very sure of its appropriateness at this time. Any thoughts?
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