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    6bromo bloodwork..


    Blood taken 5 days after last dosing hyperdrolX2 or any other supplement. Cycle was:
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    Week 3-7
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    The blood work I came into this cycle with was sub par in the testosterone department. A low 234..

    Test Bioavailable / SHBG
    SHBG 28
    Testosterone 468
    Reference Range: 400-1080
    Unit: ng/dL
    Testosterone 270.8
    Testosterone 93.1
    Reference Range: 47.0 to 244.o
    Unit: pg/mL

    Testosterone Free 15.5 pg/ml (6-30)
    DHEA-Sulfate 257 ug/dL (104-457)
    Cortisol Random 9.67 mcg/dL
    TSH (3rd gen) 0.881 uIU/mL
    Thyroxine Free 1.22 ng/dL (0.89-1.76)
    Prolactin 7.4 ng/mL (2.1-17.7)
    LH Level 3.6 mIU/mL
    FSH 2.4 mIU/mL (1.4-18.1)
    Serum Estradiol 30 pg/mL

    Complete Metabolic Panel

    Creat 1.1 mg/dL (0.6-1.3)
    NA 139 mEq/L (136-145)
    CL 100 mEq/L (98-107)
    ALB 4.5 g/dL (3.4-5.0)
    SGOT 39 U/L (15-37)
    ALK 87 U/L (50-136)
    BUN 20 mg/dL (7-18)
    GLUCOSE 91 mg/dL (74-106)
    K 4.4 mEq/L (3.5-5.1)
    TCO2 31 mEq/L (21-32)
    TP 7.6 g/dL (6.4-8.2)
    TBILX 0.9 mg/dL (0.2-1.0)
    SGPT 121 U/L (30-65)
    GFR Non Afri: >60
    GFR African: >60

    CBC Screen
    WBC 6.1 K/cumm (4.5-11.0)
    HGB 16.1 g/dL (13.9-18.0)
    MCV 88.5 cu.micr (80.0-97)
    MCHC 33.8 g/dL (31.0-37.0)
    PLT 205 K/cumm (130-400)
    LYM 42.0 (14.6-41.0)
    EOS 2.2 (0.0-5.6)
    RBC 5.38 M/cumm (4.30-5.90)
    HCT 47.6 (39.0-55.0)
    MCH 29.9 pg (26.0-34.0)
    RDW 12.3 (11.5-14.5)
    NEU 49.5 (45.7-76.1)
    MONO 6.1 (4.0-12.4)
    BASO 0.2 (0.0-1.2)
    NEU 3.0 K/cumm (1.5-8.5)
    MONO 0.4 K/cumm (0.2-0.8)
    BASO 0.0 K/cumm (0.0-0.2)
    LYM 2.6 K/cumm (1.0-4.8)
    EOS 0.1 K/cumm (0.0-0.7)
    NRBC/100 WBC 0.0


    So now to start a little drama paging Patrick Arnold it seem that 6bromo isnt surpressive.. at least in this rather extreme example.

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    mmm.. drama .. me likes.. thanks for posting the bloodwork..
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    I believe PA addressed this in that 6-bromo's effects would be similar to formestane. It will still act as an AI and increase testosterone production but is not the best solution for HPTA recovery due to androgenic metabolites. I'm not certain however because there's something like 15 pages of crap in that thread and I don't want to search through it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bearmeat View Post
    I believe PA addressed this in that 6-bromo's effects would be similar to formestane. It will still act as an AI and increase testosterone production but is not the best solution for HPTA recovery due to androgenic metabolites. I'm not certain however because there's something like 15 pages of crap in that thread and I don't want to search through it.
    The other issue is that the 6-bromotestosterone (which 6-bromo most likely converts to) may show up as natural testosterone on an immunological assay.

    This would mean that any bloodwork done on 6-bromo may be measuring levels of 6-bromotest + natural testosterone, rather than just endogenous test levels. This would greatly distort lab values...making the bloodwork essentially useless in determining level of test production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    The other issue is that the 6-bromotestosterone (which 6-bromo most likely converts to) may show up as natural testosterone on an immunological assay.

    This would mean that any bloodwork done on 6-bromo may be measuring levels of 6-bromotest + natural testosterone, rather than just endogenous test levels. This would greatly distort lab values...making the bloodwork essentially useless in determining level of test production.
    possibly while youre on it. Which is why I waited almost a week after my last dose of 6bromo before I did my blood work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bearmeat View Post
    I believe PA addressed this in that 6-bromo's effects would be similar to formestane. It will still act as an AI and increase testosterone production but is not the best solution for HPTA recovery due to androgenic metabolites. I'm not certain however because there's something like 15 pages of crap in that thread and I don't want to search through it.

    And lets see. Test is up, but still on the low end. Free test is normal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by V00D00 View Post
    possibly while youre on it. Which is why I waited almost a week after my last dose of 6bromo before I did my blood work.
    What we really need is before, during, and after bloodtest on 6-bromo only. 5 days after your last dose, what if your body got itself back up and going on its own again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    What we really need is before, during, and after bloodtest on 6-bromo only. 5 days after your last dose, what if your body got itself back up and going on its own again?
    In 5 days? Impressive really, hell if that were the case we would only have to run a week of pct. Test actually is totally normal, Im at a genetic disadvatage; Im a white male. test levels in white guys are normal 400-600.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V00D00 View Post
    possibly while youre on it. Which is why I waited almost a week after my last dose of 6bromo before I did my blood work.
    Do you honestly have any idea how long 6-bromotest would be detectable in a blood serum assay?

    I don't, but I'd venture to say more than 5 days...
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    I am relieved (as I'm testing a 6-bromo product). Thanks for posting your BW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V00D00 View Post
    In 5 days? Impressive really, hell if that were the case we would only have to run a week of post cycle therapy. Test actually is totally normal, Im at a genetic disadvatage; Im a white male. test levels in white guys are normal 400-600.

    5 days from your last dose of HDX2. But more like 33ish days since your last dose of anything suppressive. No one ever said this was suppressive, only not the ABSOLUTE BEST post cycle therapy TEST BOOSTER. 33 days after your last dose of anything suppressive while taking any anit-e w/some other test booster and I would hope your test levels were fine. So doesn't really seem that impressive.
    Last edited by jasonschaffin; 07-15-2007 at 03:33 PM. Reason: grammer, totally changed the meaning of what I wrote
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    Now had you shown levels in like the 800-1000 range and maybe some lowered SHBG, that would be impressive.
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    It does prove its not suppressive however if anyone thought it may be because of its metabolites!

    Edit: Question, did you not take any SERM so you could test out HDX2 or did you just decide you didn't need one?
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    This is my bloodwork from last year (RR + ACT). Although we'll never know if my increase in Test and Free Test is the result of natural Test production or from unnatural 6-bromotest converted from the precursor isomer found in RR.
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    He won't take a SERM, so this was likely the after results of Test Drive and Hyperdrol X2. I would say that his test results do lend to the arguement that 6-Bromo isn't supressive. Then again, so do the numberous NHA stack blood tests. You guys do like to jump on bandwagons. Its funny how user results from the last year and a half can become trumped overnight .
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    Now had you shown levels in like the 800-1000 range and maybe some lowered SHBG, that would be impressive.
    If anyone had results with those numbers, then that would be impressive. I'm not getting your logic. His stack that he ran was a bit nuts IMO and his after post cycle therapy bloodwork actually is pretty good considering what he ran and for the amount of time he was on it. A result with an 800-1000 range result would likely have to come independent of any actual cycle and not following PCT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    If anyone had results with those numbers, then that would be impressive. I'm not getting your logic. His stack that he ran was a bit nuts IMO and his after post cycle therapy bloodwork actually is pretty good considering what he ran and for the amount of time he was on it. A result with an 800-1000 range result would likely have to come independent of any actual cycle and not following post cycle therapy.
    i agree. often times people forget to weigh the variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    He won't take a SERM, so this was likely the after results of Test Drive and Hyperdrol X2. I would say that his test results do lend to the arguement that 6-Bromo isn't supressive. Then again, so do the numberous NHA stack blood tests. You guys do like to jump on bandwagons. Its funny how user results from the last year and a half can become trumped overnight .
    That is provided that he was clear of 6-bromotest when the blood was drawn...and don't see how anyone could really prove this to be the case.

    Those numbers we are looking at may have a significant % of 6-bromo-test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    It does prove its not suppressive however if anyone thought it may be because of its metabolites!

    Edit: Question, did you not take any SERM so you could test out HDX2 or did you just decide you didn't need one?
    I disagree, this bloodwork really proved little/nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    He won't take a SERM, so this was likely the after results of Test Drive and Hyperdrol X2. I would say that his test results do lend to the arguement that 6-Bromo isn't supressive. Then again, so do the numberous NHA stack blood tests. You guys do like to jump on bandwagons. Its funny how user results from the last year and a half can become trumped overnight .
    NO ONE ever said 6-bromo would necessarily be SUPPRESSIVE only its probably not the best test booster. This is why we need 6-bromo only results. Consider the factors here:

    This is 33 days after a cycle with another test booster.
    Many people have ran numerous cycles w/o PCT and end up fine.
    6-bromo test may show up as test on a blood test.
    His test numbers are not even out of normal range.
    NHA blood test results do nothing to prove 6-bromo as they include another AI and DVTHF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    I disagree, this bloodwork really proved little/nothing.
    I do agree w/you actually just didn't want to sound so negative in ALL my post about this. If 6-bromotest shows up on a blood test as test his test may have dropped/stayed the same.
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    I suppose maybe a follow up blood panel in say 25-35 days would lend to the arguement a bit further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    If anyone had results with those numbers, then that would be impressive. I'm not getting your logic. His stack that he ran was a bit nuts IMO and his after post cycle therapy bloodwork actually is pretty good considering what he ran and for the amount of time he was on it. A result with an 800-1000 range result would likely have to come independent of any actual cycle and not following post cycle therapy.
    yes it would. This is why we need 6-bromo only test results clear of any cycle or other test booster before anything can be proven. Also need to find out if 6-bromotest shows up as test on a blood test. If by itself it raises test tremendously then it is a winner, if not than why not use 6-OXO? If you want something with at least studies and test compareable to 6-bromo why not just use formestane?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post

    5 days from your last dose of HDX2. But more like 33ish days since your last dose of anything suppressive. No one ever said this was suppressive, only not the ABSOLUTE BEST post cycle therapy TEST BOOSTER. 33 days after your last dose of anything suppressive while taking any anit-e w/some other test booster and I would hope your test levels were fine. So doesn't really seem that suppressive.
    Wow, not suppressive at the end that I meant. I meant IMPRESSIVE. Test are really not that IMPRESSIVE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    I suppose maybe a follow up blood panel in say 25-35 days would lend to the arguement a bit further.
    Not really. Generally without drug intervention (PCT) HPTA will re-establish itself within 1-3 months. This is why Test-enanth, MENT, and many other compounds have been looked into as a means of a reversible male contraceptive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    NO ONE ever said 6-bromo would necessarily be SUPPRESSIVE only its probably not the best test booster. This is why we need 6-bromo only results. Consider the factors here:

    This is 33 days after a cycle with another test booster.
    Many people have ran numerous cycles w/o post cycle therapy and end up fine.
    6-bromo test may show up as test on a blood test.
    His test numbers are not even out of normal range.
    NHA blood test results do nothing to prove 6-bromo as they include another AI and DVTHF.
    What other test booster was he using? Are you referring to his use of Trenadrol and (eq-t)2 as a test booster? So saying that he used M1,4ADD, Halo, and Methoxy-TRN would count as boosting his test, instead of supressing it? BTW, NHA stack blood test results initially included ATD/DVTHF, but quickly thereafter were Rebound Reloaded(here's the shocker its 6-Bromo)and DVTHF. BTW, here's the profile for Test Drive, so you can have an example of the additional factors involved-
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    NO ONE ever said 6-bromo would necessarily be SUPPRESSIVE only its probably not the best test booster. This is why we need 6-bromo only results. Consider the factors here:

    This is 33 days after a cycle with another test booster.
    Many people have ran numerous cycles w/o post cycle therapy and end up fine.
    6-bromo test may show up as test on a blood test.
    His test numbers are not even out of normal range.
    NHA blood test results do nothing to prove 6-bromo as they include another AI and DVTHF.
    If 6-bromotestosterone does have androgenic activity (which apparently vida states it does) then yes it would supress HPTA. This is why it would not be an ideal compound to be used during PCT.

    It could, however, prove useful while ON cycle as a means of preventing estrogen conversion of aromatizing compounds (dbol, test, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by quigs View Post
    Not really. Generally without drug intervention (post cycle therapy) HPTA will re-establish itself within 1-3 months. This is why Test-enanth, MENT, and many other compounds have been looked into as a means of a reversible male contraceptive.
    But if 6-Bromo was supressive, then the false test elevation you guys keep eluding to would gone and his test levels would decrease.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    NO ONE ever said 6-bromo would necessarily be SUPPRESSIVE only its probably not the best test booster. This is why we need 6-bromo only results. Consider the factors here:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ione-post.html

    Here's somebody who said it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    What other test booster was he using? Are you referring to his use of Trenadrol and (eq-t)2 as a test booster? So saying that he used M1,4ADD, Halo, and Methoxy-TRN would count as boosting his test, instead of supressing it? BTW, NHA stack blood test results initially included ATD/DVTHF, but quickly thereafter were Rebound Reloaded(here's the shocker its 6-Bromo)and DVTHF. BTW, here's the profile for Test Drive, so you can have an example of the additional factors involved-
    JEBUS! You ask me what other test booster he is using then show me the product he was using at the SAME TIME as HDX2 that includes a test amplifying complex.
    Then you apparently don't even know what is in Rebound Reloaded. Here is the shocker:

    Making use of a proprietary blend of three separate constituents collectively known as AroMatrix™, Rebound Reloaded™ delivers a two-pronged approach to produce an effect above and beyond that of its predecessor, without the side effects that manifested in many users.

    Fundamentally, the core of AroMatrix™ is the combination of white button mushroom extract and 6-Bromotase™. White button mushroom and 6-Bromotase™ are both potent aromatase inhibitors, with different structures, which provide different effects. The third constituent, flax oil powder, provides a small amount of fat to assist with lymphatic absorption of the other two constituents of AroMatrix™.
    Obviously it contains 6-bromo or I wouldn't have talked about the NHA test results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    And maybe I'm wrong but by the end hadn't PA said it is most likely similar to Formestane?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    But if 6-Bromo was supressive, then the false test elevation you guys keep eluding to would gone and his test levels would decrease.
    Not if the testes are then producing test on their own...which could very well be the case within another month.
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    And before anyone goes off yelling for VIDA info on 6-bromotest it is not there. Purely a decent speculation as 6-chloro and 6-flouro are there and active. If you don't know why the three would be related it may not be worth the time to explain, grab a chemistry book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    And maybe I'm wrong but by the end hadn't PA said it is most likely similar to Formestane?
    Similar in that formestane does convert to an androgenically active hormone...4-OH-testosterone--which would supress HPTA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonschaffin View Post
    JEBUS! You ask me what other test booster he is using then show me the product he was using at the SAME TIME as HDX2 that includes a test amplifying complex.
    Then you apparently don't even know what is in Rebound Reloaded. Here is the shocker:



    Obviously it contains 6-bromo or I wouldn't have talked about the NHA test results.
    Oh puleez, you're getting your panties in a wad because you were called out on your reference of Halo, M1,4ADD, and Methoxy-TRN as a test boosters and then you want to argue over the minimal additives in Rebound Reloaded, which you said specifically was something other than 6-Bromo.
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    Here's something help you with all of your back-peddling in this arguement.


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    Tribulus raises LH, not Test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by V00D00 View Post
    possibly while youre on it. Which is why I waited almost a week after my last dose of 6bromo before I did my blood work.
    i see that your test level is exactly double what it was BEFORE STARTING cycle. imo you should be very happy with these results.
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    Good Lord!
    What does LH do in the body?
    I said RR includes another AI. It does have 2 AI's does it not?
    I also said these were 33 days after anything suppressive. This would be the 3 steroids he took. And it was taken with another Test booster. This would be the test drive. Do I need to explain any of my other post for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Tribulus raises LH, not Test.
    I've yet to see any conclusive data that tribulus does anything in humans...if you know of something I'd be interested.

    Also, LH stimulates test production...so if this were the case then tribulus would indirectly stimulate testosterone production by the leydig cells via its LH modulating effects.

    So your "arguement" really makes no sense.
  

  
 

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