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    Quote Originally Posted by Oswizle
    i thought thr difference was USP's extract for Ketosterones was 6% and Symmetry was like 10%(I'm probaly off by 1 % give or take) ....while the bulk everyone else has is 4%....just take more of the bulk
    Our current extract is 5%.

    We have a stronger extract (between 10 and 20%) on the way right now.
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    Cissus quadrangularis contains high amount of vitamin C, carotene A, "anabolic steroidal substances" and calcium.

    So, let's talk about these anabolic steroidal components from Cissus quadrangularis. They have showed a marked influence in the rate of fracture- healing by influencing early regeneration of all connective tissues of mesenchyma origin, namely the fibroblasts, the chondroblasts and osteoblasts involved in the healing and quicker mineralization of the callus. It has greater impact on osteoblastic proliferation than other cellular responses.

    While this may mean actually nothing to you in science-jibberish fashion, the anti-catabolic properties (or anabolic-like combatants) of cissus has actually been shown only to combat bone issues in long-term corticosteroid (cortisone, hydrocortisone, fluticasone, etc...) users. It has been advertised as such in the realm of "anabolic" but it is kind of misconstruing the info a tad.

    For bone issues, I think this shows extreme promise and bone-regeneration has even been promoted in studies that use it, but what use it really has outside of the non fracture patient, bb, etc... is not really that clear. It hasn't really had the same effect or a statistically significant effect in those who are not nursing a fracture, etc...

    Now, there are some other off-label uses, but the efficacy doesn't tend to pan out in practice.
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    rmag, you're definitely right on all accounts as it pertains to the gluccocorticoid antagonistic capabilities being the reparative mechanism of action for Cissus Q. In that instance it is anabolic in the literal, as opposed to the often assumed, sense.

    The problem with classifying that as minconstruing information however, stems from the very good body of anecdotal evidence from users. While you know this information is not as credible as a six month, placebo controlled, double blind study involving humans, such a study would not take place anytime soon as it pertains to the anabolic activity of Cissus as we know it.

    Also Cissus Q. has been shown to be an antagonist to TNF-Alpha, a pro inflammatory cytokine that is particularily involved in oxidative stress and systemic inflammation. It is in this capacity, more anti-catabolic as you mentioned, that I feel Cissus exhibits its most promising 'anabolic' capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanbane
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsade
    Our current extract is 5%.

    We have a stronger extract (between 10 and 20%) on the way right now.

    I sure do love me some NP whats the time table on this ?
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    Not that it matters...

    But I have used both USPLabs and/or bulk Cissus everyday for the last almost year and a half. I have "felt" an anti-catabolic or anabolic effect from the CissusRX only...

    The bulk Cissus works well as an agent to strengthen my stomach lining (See: J Med Food. 2004 Fall;7(3):372-6 Effect of Cissus quadrangularis on gastric mucosal defensive factors in experimentally induced gastric ulcer-a comparative study with sucralfate. So I generally use the bulk.

    BUT for ultimate pain relief I would go with USPLabs. USPLabs Cissus RX greatly helped with pain and healing of my fractured ribs. In fact I just had a bottle of Cissus RX sent to my fiance to help her carpal tunnel pain. I chose USPLabs over the bulk because I feel based on my experience that it has a greater chance of helping relieve her pain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meowmeow
    In fact I just had a bottle of Cissus RX sent to my fiance to help her carpal tunnel pain. I chose USPLabs over the bulk because I feel based on my experience that it has a greater chance of helping relieve her pain.
    Let us know how it goes for her, carpal tunnel is terrible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziricote
    Let us know how it goes for her, carpal tunnel is terrible...
    Yes I will. She has an appointment to see a specialist and probably needs surgery in both hands.

    I want to see if it helps the pain and numbness now & then have her use it after surgery to see if it helps her heal quicker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpine
    Why is USP Labs more anabolic?



    Is the (supposed) anabolic advantage of USP's specifically because of the ketosterones? Wouldnt you be better of just taking MORE of the cheaper bulk extraction anyway? It's cost effective and you get more Cissus in the end. I hardly see how a slightly better extraction trumps literally doubling the dose.

    I understand the extraction is superior, but HOW much of a real world advantage does this give us? How "anabolic" are we talking here?

    Someone lay it down no BS. Spare us the marketing...

    I know USP Cissus RX is a fantastic product. Cissus in general is great. I was taking high dose bulk cissus (the first run that was said to be exactly like USP's from Nutra) I felt dramatic decreases in pain/weakness in a minor A/C shoulder joint injury that I have had for years. Not even cortisone injections seemed to have the lasting effect that cissus did. When we went over the Xrays, the doc showed me clear signs of bone spurs and damage at the joint due to friction. Rather than masking the injury, Cissus seemed to truly help heal the joint/tendon pain I was experiencing in the shoulder. It doesnt seem to "catch" as much. Obviously I attribute some of this to slowly learning how to workout smarter to avoid it. It's been a month since I have taken anymore Cissus and I'm still pain free. Cortisone never did that for me.
    Guys, we beaten this to death.

    In terms of this discussion, You can either:

    A. Use bulk
    B. Use Cissus RX
    C. Use Both and compare

    take care
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs
    Guys, we beaten this to death.

    In terms of this discussion, You can either:

    A. Use bulk
    B. Use Cissus RX
    C. Use Both and compare

    take care
    I probably should have said that to start. But I'm young and overambitious with this kind of stuff..lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier
    I probably should have said that to start. But I'm young and overambitious with this kind of stuff..lol

    The consumer can see the obvious. If the extract is the same % but you need more of the bulk over Cissus RX, his arguement only supports our facts about quality. There was not an arguement but a confirmation from a skeptic...does not get much better.


    Our extract comes from the extact same place each and everytime. We are not sourcing to find the cheapest price. We are studying to bring the best product.

    I do not source Powders from India. My partner named PRABHU sources our powders. Prabhu is a bio chemist That resides in India. He actually just made an 80% sesamin. Do you know that at 80% sesamin is a bueatiful Powder.

    Let the skeptics scream MARKETING, but we will just give them quality and results. Without skeptics USPLabs is small time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USPLabs
    = Do you know that at 80% sesamin is a bueatiful Powder.
    As a matter of fact I did. When I finally found a factory able to make an decent 50% oil for Sesathin, we also ordered different purity Sesamin Powders. The ones I saw ranged from a light golden brown/white to a pure white.
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    damn this thread was heated for a min..haha
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