USP Cissus vs Bulk Cissus

[GettingSwole]

The bulk guys will claim that its my marketing gimmic...So why does it look different?

The industry is full of liars so they just group me by association. I am trying hard to change the standard..it may take a lifetime.lol

so.....

wait, fracture healing as in healing a broken bone faster?!??!


That would explain why my doc was shocked at the amount my hand healed after a week.

[Guest]

so.....

wait, fracture healing as in healing a broken bone faster?!??!


That would explain why my doc was shocked at the amount my hand healed after a week.

The main research is around fracture healing.

[GettingSwole]

that's awesome

[propho]

ya there was definately a difference in powders.. i noticed that the USP cissus was more grainy.. had little white specs in it.. while the rest are a more fine powder and actually a lighter color.. I take it just for a backbone every day supplement.. so I'm not too concerned with the anabolic effects..

[b unit]

Just about to post in NP for any feedback on bulk cissus and seen your thread.I have used about 5 bottles of USP cissus and had nothing but great results from it. Last week I started on the bulk cissus and currently using 2 teaspoons per day and I am starting to think that it is nowhere as potent as the USP stuff.Not getting the same results.

Maybe I need to up the dose some more?

BULK cissus 2 tspoons per day = 6400mg.
USP cissus 6 caps per day = 3660mg

it's all in the extraction process tsb, how many times do i have to tell ya!!

[vince spider]

Just about to post in NP for any feedback on bulk cissus and seen your thread.I have used about 5 bottles of USP cissus and had nothing but great results from it. Last week I started on the bulk cissus and currently using 2 teaspoons per day and I am starting to think that it is nowhere as potent as the USP stuff.Not getting the same results.

Maybe I need to up the dose some more?

BULK cissus 2 tspoons per day = 6400mg.
USP cissus 6 caps per day = 3660mg

maybe u need to start working on your lower lats, or start thinking about getting some illegals from team sausage, just remember the spider's waiting in the shadows

[TSB4me]

it's all in the extraction process tsb, how many times do i have to tell ya!!

I"m sure your right B. It would be nice to see some more feedback from other bulk cissus users.

And when is the stronger version going to be available???

[ray sausage]

:hot:

I"m sure your right B. It would be nice to see some more feedback from other bulk cissus users.

And when is the stronger version going to be available???

[wojo]

I"m sure your right B. It would be nice to see some more feedback from other bulk cissus users.

And when is the stronger version going to be available???

your cissus? post number 8 has feedback

[Oswizle]

i thought thr difference was USP's extract for Ketosterones was 6% and Symmetry was like 10%(I'm probaly off by 1 % give or take) ....while the bulk everyone else has is 4%....just take more of the bulk

[Vitruvian]

i thought thr difference was USP's extract for Ketosterones was 6% and Symmetry was like 10%(I'm probaly off by 1 % give or take) ....while the bulk everyone else has is 4%....just take more of the bulk

I chink you wong. Sowwy.



(Half Asian.... so licensed to make these comments)

[Mulletsoldier]

i thought thr difference was USP's extract for Ketosterones was 6% and Symmetry was like 10%(I'm probaly off by 1 % give or take) ....while the bulk everyone else has is 4%....just take more of the bulk

Cissus RX is 5% ketosterones whilst Symmetry is 4 sterones extracted from Cissus Quad. specifically for their anabolic activity.

[Alpine]

USP cissus = anabolic + pain relief + fracture healing + strengthened stomach lining

Bulk cissus = pain relief + fracture healing + strengthened stomach lining

Why is USP Labs more anabolic?

Cissus RX is 5% ketosterones whilst Symmetry is 4 sterones extracted from Cissus Quad. specifically for their anabolic activity.

Is the (supposed) anabolic advantage of USP's specifically because of the ketosterones? Wouldnt you be better of just taking MORE of the cheaper bulk extraction anyway? It's cost effective and you get more Cissus in the end. I hardly see how a slightly better extraction trumps literally doubling the dose.

I understand the extraction is superior, but HOW much of a real world advantage does this give us? How "anabolic" are we talking here?

Someone lay it down no BS. Spare us the marketing...

I know USP Cissus RX is a fantastic product. Cissus in general is great. I was taking high dose bulk cissus (the first run that was said to be exactly like USP's from Nutra) I felt dramatic decreases in pain/weakness in a minor A/C shoulder joint injury that I have had for years. Not even cortisone injections seemed to have the lasting effect that cissus did. When we went over the Xrays, the doc showed me clear signs of bone spurs and damage at the joint due to friction. Rather than masking the injury, Cissus seemed to truly help heal the joint/tendon pain I was experiencing in the shoulder. It doesnt seem to "catch" as much. Obviously I attribute some of this to slowly learning how to workout smarter to avoid it. It's been a month since I have taken anymore Cissus and I'm still pain free. Cortisone never did that for me.

[Mulletsoldier]

Why is USP Labs more anabolic?

Is the (supposed) anabolic advantage of USP's specifically because of the ketosterones? Wouldnt you be better of just taking MORE of the cheaper bulk extraction anyway? It's cost effective and you get more Cissus in the end. I hardly see how a slightly better extraction trumps literally doubling the dose.

I understand the extraction is superior, but HOW much of a real world advantage does this give us? How "anabolic" are we talking here?

Someone lay it down no BS. Spare us the marketing...

I'm not sure where I was marketing anything, or addressing the anabolic activity of our Cissus compared to a bulk Cissus product, but now that you have brought it up I will.

The real world advantage as you eloquently put it lies in the extraction itself. If it is not the same ketosterones than the same effect will not be reached irregardless of your dosage. If it is say half of the same extraction then yes doubling the dose will give you the same benefit.

You are right, you do not see how a slightly better extraction would 'trump literally double the dose'. As I have stated, without the same ketosterones then the same benefit would not be reached.

[Alpine]

I'm not sure where I was marketing anything, or addressing the anabolic activity of our Cissus compared to a bulk Cissus product, but now that you have brought it up I will.

The real world advantage as you eloquently put it lies in the extraction itself. If it is not the same ketosterones than the same effect will not be reached irregardless of your dosage. If it is say half of the same extraction then yes doubling the dose will give you the same benefit.

You are right, you do not see how a slightly better extraction would 'trump literally double the dose'. As I have stated, without the same ketosterones then the same benefit would not be reached.

You get a kick out of trying to talk down to people on message boards don't you? Heres a clue, WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS. You're a lowly rep. Take your ego down a notch.

All I asked was, WHAT makes USP's extraction more anabolic. Obviously thats the Keto's. OK, so HOW MUCH of a "real world" (in our body, not on paper) anabolic effect are we talking about? A lot of things can clearly be considered anabolic. That doesn't mean they all lead to a pronounced anabolic effect in our systems. And that is precisely what has been insinuated here. That is what I am questioning. I guess its safe to assume that non USP cissus has ZERO anabolic impact? That is, If ANY of it really has an anabolic impact in the first first place. This is why I asked for a division in marketing and science.

Is this slight (how slight?) advantage worth the premium we pay above normal bulk cissus? And that is why I'm asking for a no BS response. What you gave me was more BS I already knew and with a touch of elitist tone - How Nice. You also seem to miss the fact that I am an outspoken FAN of cissus. I am not trying to tear down your product. All I ask for is a little respect and some straight answers.

Mulletsoldier, You don't represent USP well and I don't mind telling you.

[Mulletsoldier]

You get a kick out of trying to talk down to people on message boards don't you? Heres a clue, WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS. You're a lowly rep. Take your ego down a notch.

All I asked was, WHAT makes USP's extraction more anabolic. Obviously thats the Keto's. OK, so HOW MUCH of a "real world" (in our body, not on paper) anabolic effect are we talking about? A lot of things can clearly be considered anabolic. That doesn't mean they all lead to a pronounced anabolic effect in our systems. And that is precisely what has been insinuated here. That is what I am questioning. I guess its safe to assume that non USP cissus has ZERO anabolic impact? That is, If ANY of it really has an anabolic impact in the first first place. This is why I asked for a division in marketing and science.

Is this slight (how slight?) advantage worth the premium we pay above normal bulk cissus? And that is why I'm asking for a no BS response. What you gave me was more BS I already knew and with a touch of elitist tone - How Nice. You also seem to miss the fact that I am an outspoken FAN of cissus. I am not trying to tear down your product. All I ask for is a little respect and some straight answers.

Mulletsoldier, You don't represent USP well and I don't mind telling you.

Alpine, you are obviously antagonistic, with the need to enter into every discussion with the point of arguing. That is fine. Your initial question was filled with attitude, asking questions which you obviously had arrogantly convinced yourself you already knew and I responded in kind. You asked me to spare you 'marketing' which I found amusing because I was never 'marketing' in the first place, though you continue to make this assertion. You are wrong.

I never stated in this thread, or any other thread for that matter that non-USP Labs Cissus IS NOT anabolic as a whole. Each case would depend completely on the extraction of ketosterones. As I said, if the same extraction in half the concentration is present then the same anabolism exists. You are right, claiming another product is as good as ours is a very sheisty marketing ploy, I apologize.

I am also interested in how you would like me to go about quantifying anabolism in the 'real world' without diverting to assays, or theory. You ask for science, and then ask for a response which would be devoid of it by definition, so which will it be? I could explain why Cissus is anabolic, and what pruported effect that could have, but this is not what you want correct? Ok, if you take Cissus you will gain 5lbs in one month..There, purely anecdotal evidence, real world in a sense.

Alpine, although servicing the customer is always the ultimate imperative of a rep that does not make you immune from recieving the same antagonism and disrespect you initially showed to me. That being said your 'suggestions' to my behaviour are duly noted.

Good day.

[Mulletsoldier]

Beyond that post you are more than welcome to continue this discussion privately through e-mail, as I do not see how you and I insulting eachother can provide any benefit to either the board or additional customers. I have already become more unprofessional than I would like and I apologize.

[Alpine]

Awesome. You have managed to reply twice now with comments that have absolutely no semblance of any real meat and potatoes answer.

I suspect you like to see & read the eloquence of your ever so carefully constructed retorts far too much. You aren't a world renowned chemist. You arent a biochem expert. Just don't talk down to your customers when they ask simple questions. That is all....

I dont start drama or act antagonistically. I just call it like I see it. I'm not afraid to speak out on anyone or anything. Unlike you, I have nothing to lose. In addition, you're futile attempts at looking professional and cool headed come little and late.

Keep up the good work. I'm done with this thread.

[Mulletsoldier]

Awesome. You have managed to reply twice now with comments that have absolutely no semblance of any real meat and potatoes answer.

I suspect you like to see & read the eloquence of your ever so carefully constructed retorts far too much. You aren't a world renowned chemist. You arent a biochem expert. Just don't talk down to your customers when they ask simple questions. That is all....

I dont start drama or act antagonistically. I just call it like I see it. I'm not afraid to speak out on anyone or anything. Unlike you, I have nothing to lose.

Keep up the good work. I'm done with this thread.

Well, I could and would call you a ****ing ******* if I wanted to, irregardless of what I had to lose, but I just chose not to.

I don't talk down to customers, I treat them with the same respect they treat me. Not good business sense? Maybe not, but like yourself, I call it like I see it.

P.S. I like the way you changed your post, the biochemist thing gave it a little more meat.

[Mulletsoldier]

Ahh, I missed the 'futile cool and collected thing' in that last post, you are changin' em quick boi!! And do not flatter yourself, the apology was not to you.