My blood test results at 19

eliteballa3 · 09-28-2005, 04:49 PM

im 19 these levels are abnormal it seems, i go to endo on oct 4 to hopefully get on trt or some type of things to boost my test anways here are my results.
strogen-107(130 or less is normal),
fsh-10.3(1.6-8.0),
Estadirol-8(10-50),
lh-3.3(1.5-9.3),
Prolactin-11.3(2.0-18),
total free-251(250-1100),
Total Free percent-2.19(1.10-2.80),
free test-54.9(35-155)

I think i def qualify for some type of test enhancment even kno im 19 these levels are at levels of a 80 yr old despite all that im still pretty strong and have decent mass which is good.175 bench 200,sqt over 300 30 inch vertical n2b hope this theapy turns me into a beast
post your feed back
thanks.

The Machine · 09-28-2005, 05:01 PM

I think i def qualify for some type of test enhancment even kno im 19 these levels are at levels of a 80 yr old despite all that im still pretty strong and have decent mass which is good.175 bench 200,sqt over 300 30 inch vertical n2b hope this theapy turns me into a beast
post your feed back
thanks.[/quote]
So... your stong, and you have decent mass... at the age of 19. You squat over 300... you wiegh 175 and bench 200. Dude, think about that for a second. Doesnt sound to me like you need steroids. At age 19? thats freakin awesome. You havent even come close to reaching your potential yet.

You are not posting your diet, your training regiment, anything. Everything you showed was within normal limits. Stop jerking off and watch the natural test grow.

Apowerz6 · 09-28-2005, 05:07 PM

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT !!! are you trying to hurt yourself at such an early age. You are not supposed to be even thinking about trt or even posting about that !!!! If you have had progress why are you trying to accelerate it with some serious **** !!! I know i aint your mama, but keep supplementing with protein, some creatine, a multivitamin, and keep lifting hard you will get your mass, stop thinking about a short cut. Even if you did do a cycle you have to bust your ass. I know i am not the only one that thinks this way !!!

lifted · 09-28-2005, 05:16 PM

It's possible that your levels haven't even topped out yet as an adult, so there is a chance that is the case...and if this is the case, supplementing with exogenous T would probably stunt the process and may effect you your whole life.

With that being said, I would say that there is still a chance that you may need supplementation, but IMHO you should wait until the age of 22-25 and get your levels checked once again to base your final conclusion on the whole matter. But I'm sure your endo will know this and make the appropriatte decisions on what to do...good luck and let us know what the findings are.

**JonesersRX7** · 09-28-2005, 05:32 PM

Is this your first time looking at your bloodwork or having it pulled?

What if it happens to be stress or other factors in your life that caused the test to be skewed? Before doing something as serious as TRT, why don't you look at changing your diet and/or lifestyle first? Drop the alchohol if you are drinking too....

Take some time to eat some good foods that increase T. levels naturally. Brocolli, Spinish.. muscles are some that come to mind. Look at reducing stress and getting adequate rest.

Just some ideas to try for a while...

**size** · 09-28-2005, 06:10 PM

There may be actions occurring in your life or diet that are influencing the low testosterone levels.

eliteballa3 · 09-28-2005, 06:11 PM

dont drink i did change my diet to mostly fats and proteins just this week the nhe diet which suppose to raise your test 250 is extremly low for test isnt it also after dieting and using sesathin i noticedi couldnt ejactulate anymore so i had my test levels done and turns out there horible i mean im not making and desions yet but we will c what doc will do.

**kwyckemynd00** · 09-28-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Apowerz6

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT !!! are you trying to hurt yourself at such an early age. You are not supposed to be even thinking about trt or even posting about that !!!! If you have had progress why are you trying to accelerate it with some serious **** !!! I know i aint your mama, but keep supplementing with protein, some creatine, a multivitamin, and keep lifting hard you will get your mass, stop thinking about a short cut. Even if you did do a cycle you have to bust your ass. I know i am not the only one that thinks this way !!!

WTF are you talking about?

If he has low test levels naturally, it is in his BEST INTEREST to have MEDICAL HELP. (Not self Rx or cycling AAS on his own, but medical help to get him in the normal range--low testosterone can be a very detrimental thing, especially for a young kid.).

eliteballa3:
And, I don't think this has anything to do with Test "not being topped out", your test levels should be at their highest around now. They max out between 18 and 21.

Get another test, make sure these results are you "normal levels" and if you need to go on TRT at 19, then you need to go on TRT and that's all there is to it.

Hopefully a good endocrinologist can kick-start your HPTA. it is possible, despite the so-called "conventional wisdom" which states otherwise. This is exactly what SWALE does. He gets people with low natural test to normal levels and tries to get them off TRT altoghether.

AGAIN, make sure you talk to a good endocrinologist first, and don't just start treatment based off of ONE TEST or ONE DOCTOR. If there is a legimate medical concern, then you have a legitimate medical reason to get TRT.

If they say "you're normal" and "don't worry about it" (they meaning the array of endo's you saw / will see), then leave it at that and do not attempt to fix it if the doctor said its not broken.

**JonesersRX7** · 09-28-2005, 06:25 PM

btw.. I def wasn't say to not go see a doc, was just seeing if you had other influences that could be a factor. And good job not drinking :clap:

400runner · 09-28-2005, 06:27 PM

dont start HRT...thats retarted at such a young age.

**kwyckemynd00** · 09-28-2005, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 400runner

dont start HRT...thats retarted at such a young age.

Why? Do you have any reason aside from "well...just seems like that from what I've heard", because that's the kind of thing I'm getting from a few people here.

If you were 12 with osteoporosis, you'll still get treated as if you have osteoporosis.

Why would you NOT be treated as a person with low testosterone, despite HAVING low testosterone, just because you're young?

If you were 14 and your test levels should be above 200ng/dl to be "normal" (frankly, that means to "develope" normally, too!) then you should get TRT if then endo says so if you were below that number.

you NEED to have certain test levels to develope and function normally at any given age.

And, aside from synthetic testosterone using a different carbon isomer (I think they use 16 and the body tends to 18, or something around those lines) the two hormones are IDENTICAL and act IDENTICALLY. So, TRT is a big yes at any given age if your body is not producing the proper amount of testosterone.

lifted · 09-28-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00

Why? Do you have any reason aside from "well...just seems like that from what I've heard", because that's the kind of thing I'm getting from a few people here.

If you were 12 with osteoporosis, you'll still get treated as if you have osteoporosis.

Why would you NOT be treated as a person with low testosterone, despite HAVING low testosterone, just because you're young?

If you were 14 and your test levels should be above 200ng/dl to be "normal" (frankly, that means to "develope" normally, too!) then you should get TRT if then endo says so if you were below that number.

you NEED to have certain test levels to develope and function normally at any given age.

And, aside from synthetic testosterone using a different carbon isomer (I think they use 16 and the body tends to 18, or something around those lines) the two hormones are IDENTICAL and act IDENTICALLY. So, TRT is a big yes at any given age if your body is not producing the proper amount of testosterone.

What you're failing to see thought kwycke, is that exogeneous T, will shut you down...no matter what the dose is...this will then lead to the stunting of any further natty T development...as well as other serious health concerns such as brain/mental maturity, bone growth, etc....the male body is not done maturing until the age of 25 for most...not so much physically, but more in regards to brain activity/thyroid output, nodules, etc..

So if the kid is still producing "acceptable" levels then he should probably do all he can before resorting to full blown HRT....even if it's for a short amount of time...say 2-3 more years to see if he is just a late bloomer. There is a reason why we do not condone AAS for younger guys...synthetic T will cause very serious health problems if the subject isn't totally matured...this is why I say it might bet best for him to wait it out for a couple more years.

**CEDeoudes59** · 09-28-2005, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by size

There may be actions occurring in your life or diet that are influencing the low testosterone levels.

This is the point. I DEFINITLY wouldn't dismiss HRT, but evaluate the other areas first.

Apowerz6 · 09-28-2005, 06:44 PM

i def. agree !!! All i am saying is that exogenous will shut him down when he has not reached his Full potential yet. His ranges were normal so hrt should be last resort.

**kwyckemynd00** · 09-28-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by lifted

What you're failing to see thought kwycke, is that exogeneous T, will shut you down...no matter what the dose is...this will then lead to the stunting of any further natty T development...as well as other serious health concerns such as brain/mental maturity, bone growth, etc....the male body is not done maturing until the age of 25 for most...not so much physically, but more in regards to brain activity/thyroid output, nodules, etc..

So if the kid is still producing "acceptable" levels then he should probably do all he can before resorting to full blown HRT....even if it's for a short amount of time...say 2-3 more years to see if he is just a late bloomer. There is a reason why we do not condone AAS for younger guys...synthetic T will cause very serious health problems if the subject isn't totally matured...this is why I say it might bet best for him to wait it out for a couple more years.

Swale would probably say differently.

And, I too 'thought' exo hormones will shut you down, regardless of dose, BUT then I realized that the study I read where patient were treated with test were "intentionally" shutdown by the experimentors.

I've yet to see proof that hrt level test administration will shut down HPTA so long as test levels are WITHIN NORMAL RANGE.

**kwyckemynd00** · 09-28-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Apowerz6

i def. agree !!! All i am saying is that exogenous will shut him down when he has not reached his Full potential yet. His ranges were normal so hrt should be last resort.

And, that's why I said he should get more tests. He was barely withing 250...he got 251. At 19 that's damn low. edit: Although, units of free test are what are "really" important....that's why an endo is so important here.

I'd still recommend seeing a good endocrinologist.

If treatment is necessary, its necessary and that's all there is to it. Age should not be a factor.

When taking drugs that will put you at supraphysiological levels at a young (under-developed) age, THEN we have a problem.