Hair Loss from Superdrol? High DHT? PLEASE HELP
- 07-27-2005, 11:28 PM
Hair Loss from Superdrol? High DHT? PLEASE HELP
Hi. I am 21, almost 22 and I have ran 2 prohormone cycles in the past and have never experienced any hair loss. Just recently, back in June, I ran a 3 week cycle of Superdrol and Max LMG. I didn't notice any hair loss during the cycle. However, after my PCT of liquid Nolvadex I began to notice an increase in acne and my hair started to shed. I am continuing to get acne and my hair is still shedding. I believe it is because my DHT levels are high. Is it ever going to naturally return back to normal and is the hair shedding ever going to stop?
- 07-28-2005, 01:38 AM
Most likely it will slow down. Any androgen can cause and increase in shedding and his usually happens well after the cycle. Most androgens also cause an increase in acne and IMO, Nolva and most PCT products make it even worse.
If you're freaked out by the hairloss you can get some spironactolone and minoxidil at Custom Nutrition Warehouse. There's a billion threads about these compounds and how to use them..just use the search function.
- 07-28-2005, 09:00 PM
Originally Posted by bioman
07-28-2005, 10:03 PM
Personally I'd just go with the topical. Lowering DHT levels internally has a lot of ramifications as it is one of your main estrogen antagonists..without testing your DHt levels, which is like $300, I think it's just a bad idea.
Perhaps someone with fina experience can chime in though.
07-28-2005, 11:20 PM
Use topical Azelaic Acid, leave for a couple minutes, then apply topical Spiro. My hair was following out pretty bad and I started using that every night, and way way less hair loss. I don't expect those to directly cause hair gain, but indirectly, hair should start getting thicker. Haven't seen that yet.
07-29-2005, 11:19 AM
07-29-2005, 11:20 AM
I'm curious if just a few months on Finasteride would drive my DHT levels back to 'normal', in which the shedding would stop and I would no longer continue my usage of Finasteride...anyone?Originally Posted by bioman
07-29-2005, 11:41 AM
07-29-2005, 07:36 PM
Nope, it is gradually happening before and after prohormone use.Originally Posted by TheMonster
The only bad thing about the azelaic/spiro combo is that it gives me bad dandruff.
07-30-2005, 01:20 PM
Hairloss is a known side effect of nolva. Normal levels of estrogen is necessary for healthy scalp hair. You're not the few who suffer from hairloss during PCT.
07-30-2005, 04:48 PM
But I stopped Nolva usage about 3 weeks ago and I'm still shedding like crazy...Originally Posted by MarcusG
Is that normal?
07-30-2005, 05:06 PM
help hair loss too
I am having the same problems. I have been shedding like crazy for the past 6 months, I went to the Dr. and he recommened just using rogain with 5% moncicla. I have been using it now for a month and not getting any better. What are these prouducts you guys are talking about, and where to you get these topical creams. please help too.
07-31-2005, 01:42 PM
07-31-2005, 02:01 PM
07-31-2005, 02:45 PM
Yeah...I just started using their Spiro... I'm just debating on whether or not I should start taking Finasteride...Originally Posted by darius
07-31-2005, 09:24 PM
Yeah it sucks ass. I took the plunge. I started Custom's Minoxidil (also on Azelaic/Spiro). Once you start, you can't stop, forever, unless you want all that shiny new hair to fall out.
I figure at $10 a month, 5-10min a day, its not so bad, considering a year from now, if I had not started, my hair would look way worse.
I wouldn't take Finasteride (Propecia) because it messes with the DHT levels in the entire body. Just use the Minoxidil/Azelaic/Spiro combo. That whole combo will be more effective than just using Finasteride, and it will be way cheaper unless you have a great source.
I'm doing 1ml via oral syringe (to apply to head) of Azelaic Acid follwed by 1ml of Minoxidil in the morning. At night, I repeat what I do in the morning, wait 5 minutes or so, then apply 1ml of Spiro. I also bough the Regrowth Shampoo at www.minoxidil.com. I figure the shampoo is not something you will have to use for more than 3 years or so. After the 3 year mark on all that stuff, it should be just "maintaining" the gains.
So for all the stuff, the Minoxidil, Azelaic acid, Spiro, and shampoo, they all should last 30 days at the doses I will be using them at. And for each one, each 30 days, its ~$10 a piece, so right now $40/month.
07-31-2005, 09:52 PM
If you're geneticly predisposed to hair loss, you may as well start using minoxidil now. It most likely cause your hair to regrow, but the downside is you have to *keep* using it. (as mentioned in one of the above posts).
A stack of spironolactone,minoxidil,azela ic acid, and Nizoral 2% shapoo EOD helps most people deal with hair loss issues.
www.customnutritionwarehouse.com is a great place to get spiro,minoxidil,and azelaic acid. Its very inexpensive here. I find that Custom's formulations tend to give me dandruff, however. This can be recitified by rubbing a little skin lotion into your scalp, as its just from dry skin.
www.wholesalehairproducts.com is another place that sells hair care products. Although, it dosent seem like their minoxidil/azelaic acid formulation seems to be as effective as others.
www.minoxidil.com (Dr.Lee's site) is the best place to go for information about keeping your hair. The Xandrox line of products is excellent, and is the most effective of any hair loss prevention product Ive tried. The downside is its quite expensive. However, it never gives me dandruff, leaves my hair feeling thicker (rather than greasy), and always shows positive results.
Its worth signing up with Dr.Lee in order to purchase the 2% spiro topical, which dosent smell at all and goes on easily, and the Regrowth Treatment Shampoo - more effective than regular Nizoral and its inexpensive too.
07-31-2005, 10:05 PM
It probably takes a few weeks or even months for the shedding to stop. Hair follicles follow a cycle of shedding and regrowth which don't finish in a week.Originally Posted by TheMonster
Take the advice from the others and use topical anti-androgens like spiro which don't have systematic effects.
07-31-2005, 11:35 PM
I've taken PH's in the past and never experienced hair loss. My grandfathers were not bald and my dad and uncle are not bald. I'm pretty sure I'm not predisposed for MPB... On that note, do you think the shedding from the Nolvadex will cease in a few months and I will no longer have to use topical products?Originally Posted by MarcusG
08-01-2005, 12:26 AM
I personally think taking finasteride orally for hair growth/protection is a bad idea. Your body has a DHT set-point for a reason. JMO
My The 1 LOG: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/254164-my-one-log.html
08-01-2005, 12:35 AM
Yeah but I'm afraid my DHT levels are not at their "set point" due to my recent prohormone and Nolvadex usage...?Originally Posted by motiv8er
08-01-2005, 01:01 AM
Monster, both my older brothers have been taking finasteride for 5-6 yrs. and have experienced zero side effects. I can honestly say that when my oldest brother started losing his hair, it was VERY noticable. I could see his scalp in the middle of his head when look directly at his forehead. He started taking propecia @ just 1mg/day and, within time, now has a full/thick head of hair. It's almost as if the hair grew back. My other brother uses 5mg/day of finasteride and takes avodart as well (I told him he's overdosing but he won't listen...he's paranoid). He's heavily into bodybuilding, 6'4'' 270 lbs. natural, and has not experienced any strength loss or gyno symptoms from the lower dht. Maybe this will help with your decision.
p.s. I just ordered a bottle of finasteride from IBE, as I've noticed some slight thinning above my temples.
08-01-2005, 10:08 AM
Thank you for your input Tad, it is greatly appreciated. However, my main concern right niow is the fact that my shedding started after my Superdrol/Max LMG cycle AND after my PCT of Liquid Nolvadex. I've taken PH's before with 6oxo as my PCT and never experienced hair loss on either. I'm pretty sure it might be from the Nolva. So my main concern is...is the shedding ever going to stop? Will my DHT levels return back to 'normal' on their own or do I need a product like finasteride now to keep it in check...Originally Posted by Tad50
08-01-2005, 10:24 AM
08-01-2005, 10:50 AM
Maybe just use the Finasteride for a month or so and taper off, and see if the hair loss starts up again. Using it for a month or 2 may get levels back to normal if they are indeed higher then they should be due to a cycle.Originally Posted by TheMonster
Is your mom's dad bald or have thin/thinng hair? What about any of your mom's brothers?
08-01-2005, 11:28 AM
I thought it didn't work on thinning hair in that area. It's more for the crown and vertex (top) ? But... if you're noticing it there, you may have some thinning on the crown & vertex anyway.Originally Posted by Tad50
08-01-2005, 11:45 AM
Yes, that is my 'idea,' that I've been implying for awhile now but I wanted to get a valid answer from someone on that suggestion...Originally Posted by darius
And neither of my parents have thinning hair. My dad's brother not bald and my mom's brother didn't either. Also, my older brother who is four years older than me has no thinning hair whatsoever.
08-01-2005, 12:18 PM
08-01-2005, 12:20 PM
Did your mom's Dad have MPB/thinning hair?Originally Posted by TheMonster
If you do decide to use finasteride, I would use it for at least 2 months to see if it's beneficial. People who do have MPB usually don't start seeing results until after a couple months of use.
rrgg: I think I've heard that before, but if finasteride lowers the overall dht concentration in one's body, I'd expect it to help in all areas of the head. If I was able to get my hands on some dutasteride, I'd use that, as I've heard it works in the areas above the temples.
08-01-2005, 12:29 PM
ok, These are all great ideas from different oppionions. But what is the finally answer of what we need and where to get it. It seems that as I read all of the ideas i just keep getting more confused on what to do. I am a bad shedder, I need the shedding to stop!!!!
What is the best combination.
08-01-2005, 12:38 PM
I'd go to custom nutrition warehouse and get some spiro and/or AA, this will stop the hair from falling out. They also have minoxidil, which will help the hair grow back. I honestly don't see anything wrong with using finasteride. As I've posted earlier, both my brothers use it with zero side effects and GREAT results.Originally Posted by bigdiddy
08-01-2005, 07:45 PM
I was all ready to put in an order for SD, DHEA, and Nolva and some other PCT supps for a 3-4 week cycle of superdrol and this thread just convinced me to cancel it. I was seriously going to put my credit card in when I sat down on my computer about 20 minutes ago but went to this board first and got distracted and now I have cold feet.
08-01-2005, 08:43 PM
You didnt get distracted bro, you got educated. Looking into every facet of your AAS cycle will make for a much more positive and beneficial one.
08-01-2005, 09:39 PM
you can still do the cycle as long as you have some topical anti-androgen (spiro, AA, etc.)Originally Posted by PGJPB
08-01-2005, 10:47 PM
08-02-2005, 01:56 AM
Yeah, but paying for that sort of thing crosses the line for me. Not worth it (for me) to spend that much money and risk it for a quick 10 pounds of muscle. Still bummed though, I was looking forward to trying this out.Originally Posted by Tad50
08-02-2005, 01:58 AM
Yeah i know. I actually knew this was a side when looking into this and researching it, but it wasn't until I read this thread that I finally admitted to myself that this side effect could potentially happen because I wanted to try it so badly.Originally Posted by BigVrunga
08-02-2005, 11:05 AM
How many months/weeks of shedding should I go through before starting to use Finasteride. Can anyone provide an educated answer?
08-02-2005, 11:13 AM
What do you mean "should I go through?" If it's coming out, you can use the finasteride now.Originally Posted by TheMonster
08-02-2005, 11:47 AM
I was advised by some that the damage from my Superdrol cycle and the usage of Liquid Nolvadex were the cause of this and I should wait a few months to see if the shedding ceases...Originally Posted by rrgg
This is what I was told...
I really don't think the Propecia will help at this point...hair loss is a bit like sundamage to the skin, the sun's rays are damaging skin cells while you're out in the sun but if often takes 12-24 hours to get the nasty burn. With hairloss, the effect can be delayed as well, I think this is what's happening with you. You should not experience much more hairloss, if you continue to lose hair and it becomes noticeable then your genetics are probably at fault, the prohormones just helped speed up the process. Then go see a doctor for finasteride.
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