Since synthetic E-HCL *is* still legally purchasable for most via different methods, why mess around?
This?
Mostly a metabolite of Glutamine and Dandelion.... just what I want in a "fat burner", LOL. Hey, how much Alpha-Yohimbine is in there? Generous with the Cissus and L-Carn I see... hahahaha. Please, close your wallet
Lol was eagerly awaiting your reaction to that
Aw! You caught me...I edited a nicer one mate!
The science? Lots of garbage on Amazon has 10,000 5 star reviews too. You're missing: Reviews from people who get free product and feel indebted/placebo are not reliable. Tell me what, in that product, "burns fat"? The first ingredient in the prop blend is considered a "feel good" chemical, and the second is a diuretic. Synephrine has a less than stellar fat loss history in humans (good for power/strength though, believe it or not, if it's p-Synephrine), Betaine is everywhere, they don't tell you exactly what Catechin it is (EGCG has the best data - but IS IT?), Cissus and L-Carn are usually dosed at 1g+, and finally we get to the alpha-Yohimbine.
I'm wondering the same thing....
You're missing the fact that you were getting your reviews/information from very poor sources.
Stick around and look around. There are many good fat burners now, both stim and non stim. I would look into products that contain forskolin, personally. Forskolin is beneficial cutting or recomping. Forskolin will help hold on to lean mass and decrease fat loss, granted diet and training are in order. John posted some benefits of OxyMax XT above and it also contains a full dose of forskolin. Also, I noticed you want something that will not cause jitters, which again I would point to OxyMax XT. The euphoric feeling users report is something people notice right away.
The diet as a set?
I used Lyle Mcdonalds RFL; high protein, trace carbs & fats!
Congrats. But this is how it usually goes when discussing these things: I dropped to BMR, went Keto and did 2 hours of cardio per day... and XYZXtreme works!
So true. Too many people on these forums change three plus variables and see results, but yet, do not know where they actually come from.Congrats. But this is how it usually goes when discussing these things: I dropped to BMR, went Keto and did 2 hours of cardio per day... and XYZXtreme works!
Yeah, which is a problem for 99.9% of the logs on here.
^ EC/ECY/YCNo, they haven't. Nothing beats EC and (if you can tolerate the combo) Y. Add EGCG if you want. They also have the most human studies. If the US never banned Ephedra Sinica Alkaloids as dietary supplements, you wouldn't see any of these 'pretenders to the throne'
Yep we've had tons of good reviews on alpha lean 7 and the logs here were all positive. I've personally used it and the results and feel from it are great.
I saw you mentioned ANS Diablo, I have been looking into that after the alphamine change, maybe I will check it out. I tried Ignit3 but I did have the best reaction to SJW.
Alphamine change???
7-keto - this hormonal? Do i need to respect other cycles and PCT
Not hormonal, but a metabolite of DHEA. I often use it in PCT as part of my cortisol control setup.
Stay far away if you are after actual, real, Ephedrine.
This "Ephedrine" has ZERO Ephedrine Alkaloids in it - it does nothing. Ephedrine that actually works, can't be sold in a supplement in the USA. If in the US, you need to get Primatene/Bronkaid/House Brand at the Pharmacy, or import the legal amount from Canada or Overseas.
Wal-mart, Rite-Aid, or Walgreens are my go to spots. Go to the pharmacy and ask for Bronkaid, they'll ask to see your I.D. and you're good to go. 60 caps of Bronkaid will run you like $5-8
I know man, I've been down the Bronkaid and Primatene route before but I really hate that there has to be guaifenesin in it. I shouldn't complain though, it gets the job done at a fair price!
Im in the UK, I can walk straight into a gym and shout WHERE CAN I BUY EPHEDRINE?
LMAO. Then do it. EC is better than anything OTC, and its cheaper too
+1 This thread was about if anything has come about that's better than EC (and IMO Y-HCL). The answer is NO!
So go buy some UK E and add C and maybe Y /thread
I recommend you tread carefully with this, but there is a slight chance you can try Alphamine + Ephedrine. Original Alphamine has a "special extract" of Yohimbine and has ~130mg Caffeine per scoop. With the other ingredients (that don't really cause conflicts/reactions with Ephedrine), it could be an improved version of ECY.haha ok i get it
I already got started on the alphamine however, and wow i sweated, the duretic is there and if feel lighter in two days - must be bloat/water but i feel better
Ill grab some ECA next
That's awesome. I'm a bit jealous of UK and Canadian folks for being able to get actual E HCl easily.
My bad, I didn't mean to say easily. But it's cool that it's not banned anymore.
