Erase/Erase Pro blood work
- 12-05-2013, 02:19 PM
Erase/Erase Pro blood work
I've spent the last hour googling for blood work results for Erase/Erase Pro and haven't really found anything encouraging. I'm finding quite a few threads with the same inquiry, but very little in the way of actual blood work numbers. There are a couple of product reviews on Amazon where both users said they have before/after blood work and there was no change after running Erase for two months. I also found a thread on bb.com with before/after blood work and the results were lower test levels after running Erase.
I know it's an extremely popular product with a huge amount of anecdotal evidence supporting its efficacy but does any supporting blood work exist? I'm primarily interested in its effect on estradiol levels. I just started taking Erase myself, yesterday.
- 12-05-2013, 02:52 PM
I've never seen anything myself but sure would like to also. Hope your find what your looking for!
- 12-05-2013, 02:59 PM
I've seen a few threads with blood work done.PES Representativehttp://www.pescience.com/insiderhttp://www.selectprotein.com
12-05-2013, 09:04 PM
12-05-2013, 10:09 PM
12-05-2013, 11:43 PM
12-06-2013, 12:11 AM
I'm really surprised that not one PES rep has posted in this thread yet. I'm interested in seeing some erase/erase pro blood work as well.
12-08-2013, 11:29 AM
12-08-2013, 04:12 PM
There must be some bloodwork?
I'm using Erase Pro and can't say if I'm feeling anything.
12-08-2013, 09:10 PM
I've pretty much given up on finding anything. The only blood work I've seen posted is the one mentioned in my original post, and that particular guy's test levels were actually lower after running Erase. While I was still searching for blood work I did run across an interesting exchange on another forum. Some company has formulated a liquid AI with the same active AI as Erase; Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione. One of the forum members took exception to the some of the marketing claims and made the following post -
1) there have been no long term/chronic studies in safety or efficacy of this compound. There are no clinical trials nor peer-reviewed studies indicating this compound would be safe for long-term use. There also aren't any studies showing it is harmful either but considering a similar compound is now banned in the US and Canada for causing blood clots and polycythemia from chronic use I'd be weary until more studies have been done.
2) cortisol is a necessary and vital hormone. Just bc it is released does not mean we need to inhibit it. Cortisol is a hormone that gets released after training and is a good indication of training. Effectiveness. Cortisol also being secreted doesn't mean one is in a catabolic state. The net anabolism can still be positive easily. There's no reason to inhibit cortisol production unless levels are supraphysiological or chronically elevated.
3) this compound gets compared to aromasin for its suicidal properties in Inhibiting aromatase production but it's is only slightly more potent while being significantly less bioavailable requiring 50-100mg doses to be anywhere near effective at reducing estrogen. According to your recommendations the typical user will be taking in 60mg of Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-dione meaning once again they'll need more of this more than likely.
4) aromasin is the weakest of the normal AI's. Adex and letro being much more potent have the advantage and this compound does not compare to either. Considering all 3 usual AI's are easily sourced and have clinical trials as well as peer-reviewed studies as well as FDA approval for safety and efficacy would make it seem there are better choices than Androsta-3,5-diene-7,17-Dione for aromatase inhibition.
12-28-2013, 09:06 AM
I have to say this is kind of strange for not at least one study on arimistane. I can't say i remember anyone posting bloods from erase/erase pro either
A few of my friends have taken it and even at high dosages and noticed nothing. I am currently using erase pro & Anabeta elite and even then I've seen a guy on a forum when has taken Anabeta And erpro his estrogen actually increased
I tried OG erase in a stack and I have to admit I felt nothing. On formestane on the other hand!
I am just thinking I may just stick to the basics. A solid pre workout and a rare protein shake :/
12-28-2013, 10:40 AM
12-28-2013, 10:52 AM
When people say this I find it pretty interesting, maybe I have low estrogen normally so when taking erase it crushes whatever is left. I can't take pro unless I take it eod and even on og erase I can't go past two caps a day or I'm drained completely and my joints start to go. I did have a friend take pro and feel nothing from it, I wonder if body weight has something to do with it though, he weights 260 and I'm 195. To be completely honest the effect I seem to notice most is on my mood and it makes me suspect that I may have high cortisol levels as well because I feel a great deal of relief when running it. That's why I have been interested in finding cortisol fighting supplements that don't influence my test or estrogen, I'm not interested in fat loss either.
12-28-2013, 11:14 AM
12-28-2013, 11:35 AM
I've dropped a lot of water with erase rather quickly without much diet change.
12-28-2013, 03:04 PM
12-28-2013, 06:12 PM
There are several guys on the anti-aging forum (AM's) that posted about getting labs done, and erase had no effect on their E2....they did not post actual blood work, but I trust these guys and they are on TRT and get bloods done several times per year so I tend to believe them. Again though, no actual bloods posted unfortunately.
12-28-2013, 07:00 PM
12-28-2013, 07:16 PM
12-28-2013, 07:17 PM
12-28-2013, 07:24 PM
Good luck on bloods. I kept bugging PES for bloods when Erase first hit the market. The got upset with me and claimed I had a
Vendetta against then. I don't buy their products any more.
12-28-2013, 07:50 PM
12-28-2013, 08:07 PM
12-28-2013, 08:09 PM
12-28-2013, 08:29 PM
12-28-2013, 08:32 PM
Serious Nutrition Solutions Representative
X-GELS THE Prohormone alternative!
12-28-2013, 08:58 PM
12-28-2013, 09:06 PM
They do make intelligently formulated scientifically backed products though.....we did need a good tasting protein blend (price needs to be adjusted or larger sizes available)...and the leucine + EAA is another product that fits our needs....AB is good stuff....Erase not so much for me....I can't use stims.....but hey no company is perfect right?
12-28-2013, 09:47 PM
That depends on the reviewer. I mean if the guy has all 5 out of 5 ratings, then his reviews don't hold much clout in my opinion. Sponsored reviews or logs should just be ignored most of time. The only real way to tell if a product is good or not is to try it yourself and ignore all reviews and logs.
12-28-2013, 10:43 PM
12-28-2013, 10:51 PM
12-28-2013, 11:03 PM
I'm gonna go find my labs from pre erase/ on erase/ post erase and post, they're from april/may-September 2013 (not erase pro)
"no failure is final, nor is any success"
Follow my 2014 training and supps!
12-28-2013, 11:42 PM
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
12-29-2013, 02:33 AM
12-29-2013, 03:58 AM
1. Roughly equipotent AI activity
2. Evidence of oral bioavailability in the murine model
3. Evidence of fat loss and multiple PPAR activation in the murine model
4. Evidence for lowering lipids and controlling blood glucose in the murine model (these get out of wack when E is too low)
5. Heavy evidence for joint support and recovery (this gets hampered when E is too low)
I can go on
Basically, AIs are everywhere. They all have distinguishing features. Formestane is a mild PH, arimistane helped leaning out, etc. In this case, we see "protection" from potential side effects plus hefty data on fat loss
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
12-29-2013, 04:04 AM
I think that's what the supplement industry has come down to lately. A lot of shady and untrustworthy things has happened and maybe there will be a shift of supplement companies needing to show any proof to make some sales. Because at the moment there isn't a lot of trust out there for supplements! and I am not pointing any fingers to any certain companies but that is my general feeling about it.
PES and companies that have a big following already, I think a lot of people are going to still buy their products no matter wether it has bloods, proof or anything, because in all honestly they don't "have" too! No one else does?
With no FDA regulation or rules, having blood work or a panel of proof that the stuff what you're taking (even if it is what they say is in there, but that's a whole another issue) actually has some human back up or proof can give "us" or the "customer" ALOT of confidence in handing over money to buy their products.
12-29-2013, 04:08 AM
12-29-2013, 04:30 AM
If that happened it would end up like this:
"Why should we buy your product? It has no human studies, no blood work or any evidence that what is in it actually works. But on the other hand there are plenty of products out there that has, so I will spending my $ there instead"
12-29-2013, 07:06 AM
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