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  2. [QUOTE=thescience;4178505][QUOTE]
    Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    you just said that a macronutrient "by definition" replaces a food source. i contend that statement because it doesnt have to displace it. if someone choses to drop protein, they are displacing something they used to eat, but that has nothing to do with whether a substance is a micro or macronutrient.
    How is it not displacing whole foods protein intake? Again, let's look at the definition of what a macronutrient is shall we:

    Macronutrients constitute the bulk of the diet and supply energy and many essential nutrients. Carbohydrates, proteins (including essential amino acids), fats (including essential fatty acids), macrominerals, and water are macronutrients. Carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are interchangeable as sources of energy; fats yield 9 kcal/g (37.8 kJ/g); proteins and carbohydrates yield 4 kcal/g (16.8 kJ/g).

    So for something to be a macronutrient, FIRST AND FOREMOST it needs to be a significant part of the diet and provide a significant amount of energy (calories). Even where proteins are concerned, it is implied that we are talking about complex chained/peptide bonded AA proteins and AT BEST free form EAAs. So how in the world does IgG, IgF, lactoferrin, etc. all of a sudden turn into a macronutrient?

    As for your comment about your "hypothesis." Again, I never once said that you DIRECTLY stated PF3 replacing whey or protein macros, but I DID say that you have IMPLIED it. Let that be intentional or not, it is implied in what you have posted. Just as you are now falling back on what you have posted as "hypothesis," I've used "IMPLIED" in a similar fashion. So with that in mind, you getting upset at what someone has interpreted as you implying something is a fault that lies within how you have worded things.

    As for you stating that you never said people only use proteins only for their bio-actives, I never stated that you said it and only stated that you implied it. One can not read your mind so if you are going to be confusing with your words, you should do something about that. As for you consistently acknowledging the nutritional value of protein powders, again, if you acknowledge that and know full well that protein powders are taken first and foremost for their protein macro content, then why even throw around "hypothetical" notions of PF3 replacing whey? They are obviously two completely different things meant for very different purposes. You're essentially saying one is a apple and one is a orange and they are different but at the same time you're also saying that they are the same thing.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    According to your logic then, Slim Fast is a supplement. Powdered milk is a supplement. Protein bars are a supplement. However, let's be realistic here shall we? They are all convenience foods. They all provide significant amounts of macronutrients as they are a good source of calories. End of the day, for something to be a macronutrient, it needs to follow the simple principal of it being a main source of calories. Thus protein powder DISPLACES calories one would get from food AS WELL as DISPLACES the protein macros one would have otherwise gotten from food.
    Kissadookie,

    You are by far the most infuriating poster I have ever seen, and you have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. I am done with the back and forth after this post because Drewsicle is correct this is going no where, and I ask that if you have anything to actually contribute to this thread and the original purpose of this thread (remember that there was an actual OP and had nothing to do with anything you've posted on the last 3 pages).

    As I sit here staring at my Exercise Physiology textbook on the chapter of "Body Composition and Nutrition for Sport" it lists the 7 classifications of nutrients.

    Carbohydrates
    Lipid
    Protein

    Vitamins
    Minerals

    Water

    Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Water; I can assure you that PF3 is neither a vitamin or mineral. Micronutrients are trace elements which are naturally occuring (or man-made in the case of supplementation). PF3 does not fit into that category. This is one case where size simply does not matter. Per my previous example of supplementing with 2.5 milligrams (or 0.0025g) of L-leucine does the fact that it is only 2.5mg make it a micronutrient? No. It is still a macronutrient. It is still calories even at that small of a dose. 2.5mg of supplemented leucine still causes a small insulin spike, and it is still the equivalent to 0.01kcal, or 10 calories. Micronutrients do not provide the body with calories. The fact that it is listed on the label as 2.5g of protein and 10kcals means that it is indeed a macro.

    Now, with that being said this debate is absolutely absurd and I am finished. With that being laid out if you want to continue believing it to be a micronutrient by all means proceed. If you have something to actually contribute to this thread then by all means feel free to post, but constantly trying to attack my fellow associates and bashing my product is not welcome here.

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  5. [QUOTE=kissdadookie;4178517][QUOTE=thescience;4178505][QUOTE]


    So for something to be a macronutrient, FIRST AND FOREMOST it needs to be a significant part of the diet
    huh? if i eat a 1/4 teaspoon of fruit a day, i wouldnt consider that a significant part of my diet, but nevertheless it still contains macronutrients

    Even where proteins are concerned, it is implied that we are talking about complex chained/peptide bonded AA proteins and AT BEST free form EAAs. So how in the world does IgG, IgF, lactoferrin, etc. all of a sudden turn into a macronutrient?
    speaking to IGg, to the extend that it is broken down into individual amino acids ect , it is macronutrient.


    As for your comment about your "hypothesis." Again, I never once said that you DIRECTLY stated PF3 replacing whey or protein macros, but I DID say that you have IMPLIED it. Let that be intentional or not, it is implied in what you have posted. Just as you are now falling back on what you have posted as "hypothesis," I've used "IMPLIED" in a similar fashion. So with that in mind, you getting upset at what someone has interpreted as you implying something is a fault that lies within how you have worded things.
    how am i falling back on anything? whats wrong with how i word things now? are you talking about when i say i would NOT put IGg into the same category as vitamins and minerals and you interpret that as agreeing with you that i would put IGg into that category with vitamins and minerals?

    As for you stating that you never said people only use proteins only for their bio-actives, I never stated that you said it and only stated that you implied it. One can not read your mind so if you are going to be confusing with your words, you should do something about that. As for you consistently acknowledging the nutritional value of protein powders,
    again, if you acknowledge that and know full well that protein powders are taken first and foremost for their protein macro content, then why even throw around "hypothetical" notions of PF3 replacing whey?
    just because you switch two substances, doesnt mean the exchange is equal in every way. for me, i have made it clear already i am only interested in protein powder insofar as it keeps my gains and reduces doms, so if something else accomplished that, as some are claiming pure pf3 does, then i would be interested and i dont care about what nutritional value i may be giving up. do you see the distiction? for all practical purposes, i wouldnt care whatever nutritional value i lost as long as i got what people who have dropped the protein powder claimed to have gotten., i could make gains by eatin BUCKETS OF CHEEZE everyday, but that doesnt mean thats the best way for me to make gains. if i decided then to quit taking buckets of cheeze everyday, its true id be missing out on all kinds of nutritional value but i wouldnt care.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mpaquett View Post
    Kissadookie,

    You are by far the most infuriating poster I have ever seen, and you have contributed absolutely nothing to this thread. I am done with the back and forth after this post because Drewsicle is correct this is going no where, and I ask that if you have anything to actually contribute to this thread and the original purpose of this thread (remember that there was an actual OP and had nothing to do with anything you've posted on the last 3 pages).

    As I sit here staring at my Exercise Physiology textbook on the chapter of "Body Composition and Nutrition for Sport" it lists the 7 classifications of nutrients.

    Carbohydrates
    Lipid
    Protein

    Vitamins
    Minerals

    Water

    Macronutrients, Micronutrients and Water; I can assure you that PF3 is neither a vitamin or mineral. Micronutrients are trace elements which are naturally occuring (or man-made in the case of supplementation). PF3 does not fit into that category. This is one case where size simply does not matter. Per my previous example of supplementing with 2.5 milligrams (or 0.0025g) of L-leucine does the fact that it is only 2.5mg make it a micronutrient? No. It is still a macronutrient. It is still calories even at that small of a dose. 2.5mg of supplemented leucine still causes a small insulin spike, and it is still the equivalent to 0.01kcal, or 10 calories. Micronutrients do not provide the body with calories. The fact that it is listed on the label as 2.5g of protein and 10kcals means that it is indeed a macro.

    Now, with that being said this debate is absolutely absurd and I am finished. With that being laid out if you want to continue believing it to be a micronutrient by all means proceed. If you have something to actually contribute to this thread then by all means feel free to post, but constantly trying to attack my fellow associates and bashing my product is not welcome here.

    -Mpaquett
    The actual definition of macronutrients:

    Macronutrients constitute the bulk of the diet and supply energy and many essential nutrients. Carbohydrates, proteins (including essential amino acids), fats (including essential fatty acids), macrominerals, and water are macronutrients. Carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are interchangeable as sources of energy; fats yield 9 kcal/g (37.8 kJ/g); proteins and carbohydrates yield 4 kcal/g (16.8 kJ/g).

    There are three primary macronutrients defined as being the classes of chemical compounds humans consume in the largest quantities and which provide bulk energy. These are protein, fat, and carbohydrate. This list shows the categorization of the most common food components by these macronutrients. Macronutrients can also refer to the chemical elements humans consume in the largest quantities, see Nutrient.

    Now, definition of a protein macronutrient:

    Proteins are organic compounds that consist of the amino acids joined by peptide bonds. The body cannot manufacture some of the amino acids (termed essential amino acids); the diet must supply these. Proteins, in nutrition, are broken down through digestion by proteases back into free amino acids.


    I mean, if we go by what you are implying to constitute as protein macros, I guess we can just live off of free form AA's then eh? I mean, obviously you are implying that IgG, IgF, lactoferring, etc., which makes up more than 75% of the content of PF3, are considered macronutrients.

  7. [QUOTE=thescience;4178559][QUOTE=kissdadookie;4178517][QUOTE=thescience;4178505]


    huh? if i eat a 1/4 teaspoon of fruit a day, i wouldnt consider that a significant part of my diet, but nevertheless it still contains macronutrients

    speaking to IGg, to the extend that it is broken down into individual amino acids ect , it is macronutrient.


    how am i falling back on anything? whats wrong with how i word things now? are you talking about when i say i would NOT put IGg into the same category as vitamins and minerals and you interpret that as agreeing with you that i would put IGg into that category with vitamins and minerals?

    As for you stating that you never said people only use proteins only for their bio-actives, I never stated that you said it and only stated that you implied it. One can not read your mind so if you are going to be confusing with your words, you should do something about that. As for you consistently acknowledging the nutritional value of protein powders, just because you switch two substances, doesnt mean the exchange is equal in every way. for me, i have made it clear already i am only interested in protein powder insofar as it keeps my gains and reduces doms, so if something else accomplished that, as some are claiming pure pf3 does, then i would be interested and i dont care about what nutritional value i may be giving up. do you see the distiction? for all practical purposes, i wouldnt care whatever nutritional value i lost as long as i got what people who have dropped the protein powder claimed to have gotten., i could make gains by eatin BUCKETS OF CHEEZE everyday, but that doesnt mean thats the best way for me to make gains. if i decided then to quit taking buckets of cheeze everyday, its true id be missing out on all kinds of nutritional value but i wouldnt care.
    One thing I do appreciate is how you have never committed to state absolute statements, thus you've left yourself plenty of wiggle room for you to fall back on "I never said that!"

    So, for the last time:

    Macronutrients constitute the bulk of the diet and supply energy and many essential nutrients. Carbohydrates, proteins (including essential amino acids), fats (including essential fatty acids), macrominerals, and water are macronutrients. Carbohydrates, fats, and proteins are interchangeable as sources of energy; fats yield 9 kcal/g (37.8 kJ/g); proteins and carbohydrates yield 4 kcal/g (16.8 kJ/g).

    There are three primary macronutrients defined as being the classes of chemical compounds humans consume in the largest quantities and which provide bulk energy. These are protein, fat, and carbohydrate. This list shows the categorization of the most common food components by these macronutrients. Macronutrients can also refer to the chemical elements humans consume in the largest quantities, see Nutrient.

    Now, definition of a protein macronutrient:

    Proteins are organic compounds that consist of the amino acids joined by peptide bonds. The body cannot manufacture some of the amino acids (termed essential amino acids); the diet must supply these. Proteins, in nutrition, are broken down through digestion by proteases back into free amino acids.

    It's painfully obvious that it is implied that when talking about protein macros, we are specifically talking about complex peptide bonded amino acids. Not freeform or proteins which contains over 75% of just antibodies.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    I mean, if we go by what you are implying to constitute as protein macros, I guess we can just live off of free form AA's then eh? I mean, obviously you are implying that IgG, IgF, lactoferring, etc., which makes up more than 75% of the content of PF3, are considered macronutrients.
    I didnt draw this conclusion from his post at all. just because something is a digestable protein and a macronutrient doesnt mean one has to forsake all other macro and micronutrients.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by thescience View Post
    I didnt draw this conclusion from his post at all. just because something is a digestable protein and a macronutrient doesnt mean one has to forsake all other macro and micronutrients.
    I think at this point, the best course to take is to agree to disagree. For the sake of our sanity.

  10. It's 2.5g or whatever of protein with cool stuff in it that is supposed to make you grow. Lets move on already.
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  11. Let's talk about cookies.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Let's talk about cookies.
    Cookies are good. My diet has been crap lately. I like white chocolate macadamia. If I could I would replace protein with cookies, but I would stay really fat
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  13. My brother makes great oatmeal cookies with white chocolate chips and dried cranberries. Very hearty!
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  15. I'm not a big fan of cookies but I got one with my tropical smoothie for lunch.
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  16. What if i'm a keto dieter? Are carbs still considered a macronutrient to me given they represent almost 0% of my diet?

    I'm not actually sure what the issue here even is? Why does it matter what classification PF3 falls under?
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  17. Because if we didn't argue semantics, this wouldn't be a true internet forum

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Because if we didn't argue semantics, this wouldn't be a true internet forum
    Ah yes too true!
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Total nonsense. Sure, some loggers may say stuff to make the company look good. I am all about being honest, and I don't think that MOST loggers are liars. Is that the way that you log products? By being dishonest?

    I don't log, I get everything I need from the wonderful company I work for.

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  21. Final review for pf3 up.

    Cliffs:

    Best pump product in my opinion, pre w/o.

    Strength increase def noticeable, as well as recovery.

    Leaning I feel is from a total decrease in protein content.

    It's expensive.

    Mixability issue's.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Final review for pf3 up.

    Cliffs:

    Best pump product in my opinion, pre w/o.

    Strength increase def noticeable, as well as recovery.

    Leaning I feel is from a total decrease in protein content.

    It's expensive.

    Mixability issue's.
    lol gtfo
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Diesel0022 View Post

    lol gtfo
    Why?
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    Final review for pf3 up.

    Cliffs:

    Best pump product in my opinion, pre w/o.

    Strength increase def noticeable, as well as recovery.

    Leaning I feel is from a total decrease in protein content.

    It's expensive.

    Mixability issue's.
    solid review here.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Why?
    he wants to play the neg game!

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