What happened to Versa-1, already forgotten?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    Shady man, your shady and the fact that you either don't get it or refuse to get it is disconcerting.
    What's disconcerting is the fact that you can't understand a simple concept like burden of proof. Ironically, it's the USADA that looks shady as they don't have anything to substantiate their claims on any of the products on that list. Then again, what do I know? I don't have such an impressive legal resume such as yourself. /sarcasm
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    Or how about a USP rep just simply denying it??
    I would never buy it so it doesnt really matter to me one way or another but if customers are curious why cant they just acknowledge the question
    They still trying to figure out the answer to the first question: what does the product do? :P Lulz. I kid I kid... sort of.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    What's disconcerting is the fact that you can't understand a simple concept like burden of proof. Ironically, it's the USADA that looks shady as they don't have anything to substantiate their claims on any of the products on that list. Then again, what do I know? I don't have such an impressive legal resume such as yourself. /sarcasm
    That alright man. Don't sell yourself so short. The world needs ditch diggers too.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    That alright man. Don't sell yourself so short. The world needs ditch diggers too.
    Wow. Shouldn't your issues be completely directed at USPLabs reps in PMs rather than you outburst of demands here and then going off on people whom do not agree with your paranoia? I mean, if you are concerned about it and can't find answers, then simply don't bother even considering the product. Not a far off concept to grasp here.

  5. I've seen that list on the USADA but take it as a grain of salt.

    From PA:

    it appears to me that they did all these tests without proper handling of samples and instruments and everything just ended up getting contaminated (if you dont clean stuff well between sample preps and runs you will have ghost peaks in everything). And knowing usada they dont care, and they probably are more than happy to post fautly information to cause confusion amoungst athletes regarding supplements.
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  6. PATRICK ARNOLD for president......fda commishioner at the very least!!!!


    or secretary of defense...PA would give new meaning to chemical warfare...hell yeah!!!
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by 996ttelise View Post
    What in the world are you talking about. If you have no independent verification about what is in Versa 1, then kindly move on and let someone that does speak on an informed basis.

    I simply asked if USP can unequivocally state that ph is not in there. Candidly, you reflect very badly on PES if they endorse your sidestepping straight forward questions about contents or your trying to hide the ball as to what is truly in products. I hope PES does not share your mentality, but then again do reps really know what is in every batch of every product.

    The USADA list is absolute hogwash.

    The notion that there is methylclostebol in versa-1 is absurd.

    The FDA already picks over USPLabs with a fine toothed comb over their protest of the FDAs stance on DMAA, do you honestly think they'd put a highly potent steroid in a product off-label, with no attempt to mask it whatsoever?

    That's ludicrous.
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  8. So Versa 1 either works and it is completely because of steroids or it doesn't do a dang thing?

    At least we have it down to one of those two
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    So Versa 1 either works and it is completely because of steroids or it doesn't do a dang thing?

    At least we have it down to one of those two
    It definitely aids with cortisol control. And as far as fat burning aegeline is a beta 3 agonist which in humans doesn't show to do much but I honestly feel it does

  10. I wish Versa 1 had methylclostebol lol, I bought 2 bottles from the release deal and got no results whatsoever. Maybe SLIGHT focus from the choline. At least USPlabs has Oxyelite pro and Jack3d.

  11. My neutral stance on the issue: USADA is bullcrap.
    I love USPlabs and PES and they're my goto supps!
    Tried Versa 1 but I didn't feel much if anything.. it may have affected me but I didn't feel it..
    All of this back and forth COULD be handled by a rep just denying the claim.. just sayin.. its pretty simple..
    Does look like contamination during testing by the USADA..

  12. Quote Originally Posted by AlexErdellan View Post
    I wish Versa 1 had methylclostebol lol, I bought 2 bottles from the release deal and got no results whatsoever. Maybe SLIGHT focus from the choline. At least USPlabs has Oxyelite pro and Jack3d.
    Ha ha, they got you for 2 bottles. :P

    The OEP Advanced with the forskolin-95 in it looks pretty legit though.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Ha ha, they got you for 2 bottles. :P

    The OEP Advanced with the forskolin-95 in it looks pretty legit though.
    Wtf I didn't see that!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Wtf I didn't see that!
    Think it came out this week or something. Confusing as hell.

    You have the original OEP (discontinued), then you have the new OEP, then you have the OEP powder which is a different profile, and now OEP Advanced. It's bananas at USPLabs but they are upping their game with their formulations. I like the direction they are going even though it feels like they are kind of borrowing heavily from PES :P

  15. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    Think it came out this week or something. Confusing as hell.

    You have the original OEP (discontinued), then you have the new OEP, then you have the OEP powder which is a different profile, and now OEP Advanced. It's bananas at USPLabs but they are upping their game with their formulations. I like the direction they are going even though it feels like they are kind of borrowing heavily from PES :P
    Yo I got 2 oep new formula on the way. I used oep powder and og.

    Now I need to find this one. Run the new formula and this formula together at 2 caps of each

    Stim junky here lol

  16. **** saw it on Np


    Usp making me spend money I don have. Yet again

  17. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Yo I got 2 oep new formula on the way. I used oep powder and og.

    Now I need to find this one. Run the new formula and this formula together at 2 caps of each

    Stim junky here lol
    LoL. Think of how shredded you're going to be!

  18. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post

    LoL. Think of how shredded you're going to be!
    I'm already pretty close. Looking to be 4-5%

  19. Quote Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Think it came out this week or something. Confusing as hell.

    You have the original OEP (discontinued), then you have the new OEP, then you have the OEP powder which is a different profile, and now OEP Advanced. It's bananas at USPLabs but they are upping their game with their formulations. I like the direction they are going even though it feels like they are kind of borrowing heavily from PES :P
    borrowing heavily from pes seems to be the trend.....
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    borrowing heavily from pes seems to be the trend.....
    I'd take that over another bottle of Versa-1 any day :P

  21. I'm almost 3 weeks into versa 1. After about a week I upped to 2 caps per day. I it does ***something but I'm not sure it's worth the money. Tbh. I can definitely say it does increase the potency and duration of the stims you use it with.

    Keeps you in the game during workouts but again not sure it's enough to be worth it the money. But if you're ballin then by all means.

    It DOES work. I can honestly say that. But it also doesn't live up to the original hype. I'd give it a 6/10 if you double dose it

  22. I like Versa-1, but I'm not "Ballin" so I can only run it at one cap a day.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    borrowing heavily from pes seems to be the trend.....
    Or co-developing
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Wtf I didn't see that!
    ..
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Piston Honda View Post
    Or co-developing
    or I'm in the raw material business...

    this is the problem with industry, we love to drown the other guy instead of collaborate...

    I'm cool with all the rumors, keeps me in mouth, once that does not happen, I will be worried.
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