This, most people would rather eat their carbs (depending on their goal and caloric allotment) John meadows is a big advocate of cyclin dextrin's. Either way if you fuel your body before or after your workout for maximum performance you will get that, it just depends on what you feel works best for you intra-workout carbs or not. I personally do not use them.
But postworkout is crucial correct?
coop, what are your thoughts on intra workout bcaas? Basically the same as carbs?
What duration would constitute a pwo meal? IE; 2:30 moderate protein, high carb meal, train at 5:30...
Size of meal has a big factor not saying times. someone could eat 100 calories but its not the same as 800-1000 etc.
I know, should have specified.....is there a certain rate of digestion
Nope, the data even indicates it may be sub-optimal. Protein is a "must" postworkout, followed by carbs at some point between postworkout and your next training session. Data even shows that waiting longer before ingesting carbs causes glycogen supercompensation, but that's minutia that's relevant only to marathon trainers.
Sounds fine to me. The bottom line is that anaerobic training (weights) will primarily dip into the phosphocreatine and glycolytic systems. As long as prior glycogen stores are sufficient, you should be fine
Intraworkout BCAAs are fairly useless since their chief purpose is to spike plasma leucine levels. A comprehensive EAA product, on the other hand, may have comparable utility to protein, without the heavy stomach
So something like CL purple wraath as opposed to a modern BCAA (or anything similar).
Wait? Intra workout BCAA useless? Wow. I've always used bcaa intra especially when working out on a empty stomach.
There's no need, but insulin sensitivity is optimized post-workout so something with high glycemic carbs is better tolerated vs. other times of the day. I would go with a shake + solid meal later on, just for satiety's sake.
Lol I be scared to even go ahead and eat a pop tart post workout lol. Ik insulin sensitivity is optimized post workout but still lol.There's no need, but insulin sensitivity is optimized post-workout so something with high glycemic carbs is better tolerated vs. other times of the day. I would go with a shake + solid meal later on, just for satiety's sake.
lol, I think you're slightly over thinking it. Before this turns into a "if it fits your macros" debacle of a thread, I'l just say that the type of carbohydrate, more-so post-workout, isn't as important as your total daily amount.
BCAA is best used immediately prior to training. My preworkout shake typically includes BCAA with 5g leucine.
The Modern BCAA is perfectly fine intraworkout...the plus variety. It's an EAA mix. Alanine is particularly beneficial intraworkout
Insulin sensitivity will be optimized until optimal glycogen status is re-established, whether it be postworkout or the next dayThere's no need, but insulin sensitivity is optimized post-workout so something with high glycemic carbs is better tolerated vs. other times of the day. I would go with a shake + solid meal later on, just for satiety's sake.
Correct, I never said how long post-workout can be.
That may work. Only the liver coverts fructose to glycogen. However, I prefer to use nothing when depleting.
F..k poop tarts. So much processed garbage.
Agreed. Why use fructose at all if it won't even contribute to energy levels (for anaerobic training)?
Indeed, the anabolic window is quite the myth
So coop? What u think about taking a Gda post workout meal? Waste or not? Or even anytime post workout.
Golden Rule?
It's t-nation :twak:. Always conveniently plugging one of their products. Not saying they're no good but yes the anaconda indigo ****.. Way too expensive and you can get comparable results w/ a disciplined diet and intense training and sufficient recovery.
It's false information, and likely just propoganda to get you to buy some product... You're skeletal muscle cells will absorb the carbs/nutrients until they are saturated again. Whether it takes 1 hour, or 24.
Re read my post. I was talking about the FOOD, not the supplement protocol.
When he talks in Web interviews, he doesn't mention the brands, just the fact that it's cyclic dextrin and casein hydro
Yeah, anyone who follows this stuff knows what he's talking about and he does mention it/show it on some of his videos, but I think he really believes in what he says and doesn't want to be a total shill...so he breaks it down on some interviews as CH/CD. Anyway, I'm with you on this one as I've personally seen benefits both performance and body comp wise while adhering to his methods.
I eat after i train, its not withing 15 minutes or slamming a protein shake after i finish my last set of bicep curls. if its 1 hour after i train i dont make a big deal of it. Food overlap from a pre-workout meal (if i have one) or intra-workout BCAA's with aminos still present in my system. People make the craziest stuff up and think you need a shake ASAP and a meal an hour later when in essence protein synthesis wont reach baseline or their refractory period before being spiked again as Layne shows in his research.
In my humble opinion, any energy carbs give you far outweigh any effects on testosterone it may or may not have
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