Intra workout carbohydrates?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by rochabp View Post
    When depleting I use 10g protein and 17g fructose. Not entirely sure on wheather this is the best method but I remember something coming up on how fructose will allow you to workout harder without filling up muscle glycogen allowing a better depletion workout.
    That may work. Only the liver coverts fructose to glycogen. However, I prefer to use nothing when depleting.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by halfhuman View Post
    I see a lot of people eating pop tarts post workout. Anyone else practice this?

    I'm curious to know because I always consume my protein post workout than about two hours later I have my post workout meal.

    To those who do eat a pop tart post, do you drink a protein shake as well post?
    F..k poop tarts. So much processed garbage.

    Personally I'd rather do some fruits or some karbolyn (I know, this is processed too, but it's a better alternative to poop tarts)
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by supermanjow View Post
    That may work. Only the liver coverts fructose to glycogen. However, I prefer to use nothing when depleting.
    Agreed. Why use fructose at all if it won't even contribute to energy levels (for anaerobic training)?

  4. But isn't one hour after your workout the best time to eat your biggest meal, consume most nutrients, etc? That's what I've always read...so the golden hour is actually false?

  5. I use peptopro intraworkout with a scoop of Gatorade powder to help mask the flavor. A de ent combo that I enjoy, and feel works real well. Drink about half durring and slam the other half on my ride home. My preworkout contains two grams Leucine.

    I am following a CBL diet as well. There's about 6-7 hours between my last meal and training, and about 20 hours between my last carb meal and training.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    But isn't one hour after your workout the best time to eat your biggest meal, consume most nutrients, etc? That's what I've always read...so the golden hour is actually false?
    Indeed, the anabolic window is quite the myth

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    Indeed, the anabolic window is quite the myth
    So coop? What u think about taking a Gda post workout meal? Waste or not? Or even anytime post workout.

    Do you think morning and pre workout meal to be the most effective?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    But isn't one hour after your workout the best time to eat your biggest meal, consume most nutrients, etc? That's what I've always read...so the golden hour is actually false?
    Golden Rule?
    Who made this golden rule?
    Where is the scientific backing of this golden rule?
    Post-workout protein synthesis is elevated for 24 hours, if you meet your caloric needs and micro/macro nutrient needs in a 24 hour period that is what matters most, not having 30 more calories post-workout or 100 more calories post-workout.
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  9. Then why does John Meadows talk SO MUCH about periworkout nutrition?

    Just to advertise for the sup companies?
    For the record, he advises whole foods before and after training, but he does have a specific protocol for intra, calling for cyclic dextrin and casein hydrosolate intra.

    I don't follow the intra protocol, but I do believe from personal experience (I'll admit i have no scientific data here :[ ) that when my pre and post nutrition got dialed on my gains were better.


    No science here but it just makes sense to me to eat the most calories after you finish training. Especially if you train for a long duration of time..
    When I get back from the gym I am ****ing STARVING


    Coop, bob : are you two saying you don't eat after training?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Then why does John Meadows talk SO MUCH about periworkout nutrition?

    Just to advertise for the sup companies?
    For the record, he advises whole foods before and after training, but he does have a specific protocol for intra, calling for cyclic dextrin and casein hydrosolate intra.

    I don't follow the intra protocol, but I do believe from personal experience (I'll admit i have no scientific data here :[ ) that when my pre and post nutrition got dialed on my gains were better.


    No science here but it just makes sense to me to eat the most calories after you finish training. Especially if you train for a long duration of time..
    When I get back from the gym I am ****ing STARVING


    Coop, bob : are you two saying you don't eat after training?
    It's t-nation . Always conveniently plugging one of their products. Not saying they're no good but yes the anaconda indigo ****.. Way too expensive and you can get comparable results w/ a disciplined diet and intense training and sufficient recovery.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    But isn't one hour after your workout the best time to eat your biggest meal, consume most nutrients, etc? That's what I've always read...so the golden hour is actually false?
    It's false information, and likely just propoganda to get you to buy some product... You're skeletal muscle cells will absorb the carbs/nutrients until they are saturated again. Whether it takes 1 hour, or 24.

  12. I drink Compete and grape juice. I typically eat 2 - 2.5 hours pre-workout.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    It's t-nation . Always conveniently plugging one of their products. Not saying they're no good but yes the anaconda indigo ****.. Way too expensive and you can get comparable results w/ a disciplined diet and intense training and sufficient recovery.

    In the end it's all a business so I don't want to start an argument on this front...I will say that I worked with John before his affiliation with T-Nation and his beliefs were the same regarding nutrition, now it's just a bit more specific regarding the source.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post

    It's t-nation . Always conveniently plugging one of their products. Not saying they're no good but yes the anaconda indigo ****.. Way too expensive and you can get comparable results w/ a disciplined diet and intense training and sufficient recovery.
    Re read my post. I was talking about the FOOD, not the supplement protocol.

    Quote Originally Posted by todd muelheim View Post

    In the end it's all a business so I don't want to start an argument on this front...I will say that I worked with John before his affiliation with T-Nation and his beliefs were the same regarding nutrition, now it's just a bit more specific regarding the source.
    When he talks in Web interviews, he doesn't mention the brands, just the fact that it's cyclic dextrin and casein hydro

  15. Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post

    Re read my post. I was talking about the FOOD, not the supplement protocol.

    When he talks in Web interviews, he doesn't mention the brands, just the fact that it's cyclic dextrin and casein hydro
    Yeah, anyone who follows this stuff knows what he's talking about and he does mention it/show it on some of his videos, but I think he really believes in what he says and doesn't want to be a total shill...so he breaks it down on some interviews as CH/CD. Anyway, I'm with you on this one as I've personally seen benefits both performance and body comp wise while adhering to his methods.

  16. I'm not saying he's just a salesman. Dude clearly knows his stuff.. I just go there for the articles and knowledgeable (for the most part) forum discussion
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    Quote Originally Posted by aceroni View Post
    Then why does John Meadows talk SO MUCH about periworkout nutrition?

    Just to advertise for the sup companies?
    For the record, he advises whole foods before and after training, but he does have a specific protocol for intra, calling for cyclic dextrin and casein hydrosolate intra.

    I don't follow the intra protocol, but I do believe from personal experience (I'll admit i have no scientific data here :[ ) that when my pre and post nutrition got dialed on my gains were better.


    No science here but it just makes sense to me to eat the most calories after you finish training. Especially if you train for a long duration of time..
    When I get back from the gym I am ****ing STARVING


    Coop, bob : are you two saying you don't eat after training?
    I eat after i train, its not withing 15 minutes or slamming a protein shake after i finish my last set of bicep curls. if its 1 hour after i train i dont make a big deal of it. Food overlap from a pre-workout meal (if i have one) or intra-workout BCAA's with aminos still present in my system. People make the craziest stuff up and think you need a shake ASAP and a meal an hour later when in essence protein synthesis wont reach baseline or their refractory period before being spiked again as Layne shows in his research.

    Meadows also advocated a pre-workout meal with Cream of rice, almond butter and whey and then tons of intra-workout carbs. Everyone skins the cat a different way.

    Quote Originally Posted by mcc23 View Post
    It's false information, and likely just propoganda to get you to buy some product... You're skeletal muscle cells will absorb the carbs/nutrients until they are saturated again. Whether it takes 1 hour, or 24.

    Boom
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Peakfreak View Post
    What are your thoughts on consuming intra workout carbohydrate supplements? I heard consuming carbohydrates during your workout can help with added energy increases and all but also it may have negative effects on testosterone levels, any thoughts or facts about this? Are Intra workout carbs recommended?
    In my humble opinion, any energy carbs give you far outweigh any effects on testosterone it may or may not have

  19. May no carbs pre then?
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  20. It all boils down to what works out best for you. Trial and error. Myself I normally eat about an hour and a half pre workout then about thirty to forty minutes post workout with bcaa+saa intra/post training. This has been the best setup for MYSELF and I've experimented a lot. Whole foods during both meals and on occasion I throw in 25g protein shake post workout meal as well. I've used carbs intra workout and didn't notice anything but again I am getting some in with my pre workout meal.

    In a fasted state i could see how intra carbs would be beneficial during training but if you eat a couple hours before your session I don't think it's necessary.

    Trial and error my friend. Nobody can give you the right answer.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    It all boils down to what works out best for you. Trial and error. Myself I normally eat about an hour and a half pre workout then about thirty to forty minutes post workout with bcaa+saa intra/post training. This has been the best setup for MYSELF and I've experimented a lot. Whole foods during both meals and on occasion I throw in 25g protein shake post workout meal as well. I've used carbs intra workout and didn't notice anything but again I am getting some in with my pre workout meal.

    In a fasted state i could see how intra carbs would be beneficial during training but if you eat a couple hours before your session I don't think it's necessary.

    Trial and error my friend. Nobody can give you the right answer.
    This is some pretty good advice.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Montego1 View Post
    It all boils down to what works out best for you. Trial and error. Myself I normally eat about an hour and a half pre workout then about thirty to forty minutes post workout with bcaa+saa intra/post training. This has been the best setup for MYSELF and I've experimented a lot. Whole foods during both meals and on occasion I throw in 25g protein shake post workout meal as well. I've used carbs intra workout and didn't notice anything but again I am getting some in with my pre workout meal.

    In a fasted state i could see how intra carbs would be beneficial during training but if you eat a couple hours before your session I don't think it's necessary.

    Trial and error my friend. Nobody can give you the right answer.
    exactly, i could find you a study to prove and disprove everything, hell ive ever heard people talk about whey protein shakes being detrimental for your body comp goals.whey protein bashing and egg whites

  23. Nothing is more confusing than bodybuilding. Why can't it just be eat, lift, sleep. All the scientific stuff bothers me sometimes. Seems to me the whole bodybuilding industry is a ****ing lie

  24. Quote Originally Posted by JD261985 View Post
    Nothing is more confusing than bodybuilding. Why can't it just be eat, lift, sleep. All the scientific stuff bothers me sometimes. Seems to me the whole bodybuilding industry is a ****ing lie
    There are just to many variables that change from person to person or scenario to scenario. I know what you mean though, i just try to take everything with a grain of salt. As long as i hit my macros, get in the staples and hit the gym hard im happy.

    Ive tried some crazy crap over the years or the next best thing all to be left empty handed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    There are just to many variables that change from person to person or scenario to scenario. I know what you mean though, i just try to take everything with a grain of salt. As long as i hit my macros, get in the staples and hit the gym hard im happy.
    This, nothing is ever set in stone from one person to another
    That relates to diet
    Training
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    Training techniques
    Different situations
    Different peak Weeks
    Forms of cardio they find more effective for THEM and retaining mass when dieting down
    Training volume from person to person.
    What rep ranges help each muscle part grow best
    Nothing is ever the same, everyone works different in multiple fashions.
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  26. What I use is Compete with some G2 when I want some extra carbs during my workout. Usually only happens when I am training with one or two people and I know that I will be at the gym for a couple hours, but that is just me and what I do. I know some people dont find any value in having carbs during training, while others love it. All I can say is try it for a little bit, see what happens. Maybe you will like it, maybe you wont.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post

    BCAA is best used immediately prior to training. My preworkout shake typically includes BCAA with 5g leucine.

    Intraworkout - EAA

    The Modern BCAA is perfectly fine intraworkout...the plus variety. It's an EAA mix. Alanine is particularly beneficial intraworkout

    Insulin sensitivity will be optimized until optimal glycogen status is re-established, whether it be postworkout or the next day
    Alanine, why? I see that alanine is included in Chain'D Out, ALRI's BCAA formula.

  28. I really like taking a intraworkout but only on days I don't take a pre. I feel nauseous sometimes. However with iForce's Compete, I have not noticed that and I have had really good recovery!

  29. I have been using 1 serving AminoIV pre- and and 1 serv. intra with 25g Glycofuse pre- and 25g intra for a couple of months. When I don't take 25g Glycofuse pre-workout I seem to have more energy so I am from noe just using 25g intra.

    When training and consuming carbs there is a minimal insulin secretion?

  30. I'm taking 180 grams of plain old maltodextrin during my training sessions. Works great.
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