Sleeping troubles. Sleep aid supplement without nightmares?

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  1. I tried GABA and it gives me really, really weird and disturbing dreams. So much so, that I stopped taking it. I've tried ZMA and that didn't seem to work that well for me either. Melatonin does the trick for me. I don't take it every night, but when I do, it starts making me sleepy after about 20-30 minutes.

    I don't know if you are taking anything phamaceutical for your anxiety, but seeing a doctor might not be a bad idea if you haven't already.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post
    Doxylamine (restivat) will work guaranteed but can be addictive. Get it over the counter

    ZMA + melatonin is always good

    The old endosurge is amazing for sleep (good balance of mucuna helps sleep)
    Restivat??? Where is this found as an OTC drug? I've never heard of it,

    Usually sufferers of anxiety and adhd have a high tolerance to melatonin and zma due to malabsorption. But, herbs like skullcap and valerian root's toxicity isn't compromised in the gut during digestion so these tend to be more effective.
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  3. another vote for lights out. awesome sleep, and crazy awesome dreams
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by WPChickDiesel View Post
    Restivat??? Where is this found as an OTC drug? I've never heard of it,

    Usually sufferers of anxiety and adhd have a high tolerance to melatonin and zma due to malabsorption. But, herbs like skullcap and valerian root's toxicity isn't compromised in the gut during digestion so these tend to be more effective.
    I'm in Australia so maybe you can't get it overseas? Just go into your chemist and ask for restivat. Half a pill will guarantee give you 10-12 hours of sleep and kick your sleeping patterns into check

    Skullcap is really good! Valerian is ineffective in males

  5. REM 8.0 works great for me! I love it.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by mtinsideout View Post

    I don't know of any supplements to help with that but I know a few things you can try that have helped me to sleep a bit better (not 100% sure about the science behind these things but hopefully someone can correct me if I'm wrong).

    1. Heavy lifting (strength training) in general seems to help tire me out to sleep better. (Strength training supposedly improves sleep quality in younger males).

    2. Get some sunlight in the morning when you wake up and take hot showers at night before bed. (This helps your body produce more melatonin).

    3. Avoid stimulants after noon time (hopefully this one is obvious)

    4. Avoid watching TV, computer, phone etc. while trying to sleep. (The light from these screens can trick the brain into thinking it is day time).

    Hopefully this was helpful to you.
    All this is 100% right... I have same, if not worse sleeping problem than op... TV used to help me also... Sleeping tabs & supps work short term, but don't fix the issue... Over the counter tabs are antihistamines & almost completely lose their effectiveness very quickly... The main thing that helped me is tiring myself out completely by the end of the day... Eg, wake at 4am & I will 95% of the time be able to pass out by 9-10pm...

  7. Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post

    I'm in Australia so maybe you can't get it overseas? Just go into your chemist and ask for restivat. Half a pill will guarantee give you 10-12 hours of sleep and kick your sleeping patterns into check

    Skullcap is really good! Valerian is ineffective in males
    Restavit loses its effectiveness within days with anxiety sufferer's... I know from experience... Valerian Root can help in combination with melatonin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post
    ...Valerian is ineffective in males
    what.

  9. I have tried a lot of sleep aids over the years and I would say about 90% of them give me nightmares. I dont normally dream when I sleep but when I do its always a bad ride lol. On that note since I started taking G8 I havent had a single lucid dream or night terror yet. I normally only take half the recommend dose wich is 1/2 a scoop and sleep like a rock all night. It doesnt knock me out but it does relax me quite a bit and helps me stay asleep all night wich is very useful since I also have sleep apnea. Also since half a scoop is most peoples sweet spot you get 2x the product
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by baldwanus View Post
    2 caps lights out + 2 scoops poseidon nt = my favorite sleep combo
    This, IMHO, seems like it couldn't be beat by anything else - I'd love it if iForce came out with a formula similar to Poseidon NT. It's been hard to source recently.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by UncleWade View Post
    This, IMHO, seems like it couldn't be beat by anything else - I'd love it if iForce came out with a formula similar to Poseidon NT. It's been hard to source recently.
    I liked it when I used it.
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  12. Lights Out + 1 intimidate knocks me out really good. I am actually looking forward to pct when I can use intimidate again! Valarian Root is a very cheap addition I like to add in when I need it as well!

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by purebred View Post
    what.
    Sorry not just in males

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15022653/

  14. Besides seeking counseling from a licensed therapist for the nightmares, and if your doctor will not provide you a script for Ambien, then I highly recommend FinaFlex G8 sleep aid supplement to stay asleep and diphenhydramine to fall asleep. I started taking both recently ever since my insomnia flared up again and sleep like a focking champ whenever I do so!
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post

    ...! Valerian is ineffective in males
    Never heard if Valerian being ineffective in males....might wanna double check that. Are you speaking from your own experience oerhaps?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WPChickDiesel View Post
    Never heard if Valerian being ineffective in males....might wanna double check that. Are you speaking from your own experience oerhaps?
    He may be but this is the research he provided:
    Quote Originally Posted by dsbhaver View Post

  17. I just had another great night with LiGHts Out - I've gotten some much needed, restorative sleep thanks to this product. It's becoming one of my favorites in our line.

  18. I like the nightmares !! I have to try lights out by iforce but Man - RemPM is real good and I've been using Ronnie Coleman's resurect -PM that stuff is legit . It tastes like cough syrup but it doesn't bother me at all.
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  19. I posted this in another thread:

    Valerian Root, l-theanine, chamomile, passion flower, hops extract, even small doses of Benadryl. I would recommend melatonin but, people have a hard time properly cycling it. If to use it, say every other day or two weeks on melatonin and then two weeks off. Melatonin is a naturally produced hormone through the pineal gland and continued use will lead to delayed natural production, not good!

    Not sure if any of the above will react in a negative way with you and bring on nightmares as everyone is different. I can tell you no problems here any time I use any of the sleep aids that I mentioned above.
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  20. For those who enjoy Lights Out....
    What are the main ingredient in the proprietary blend?
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  21. Bulletproof from musclepharm was actually great! i had some good nights and the falling a sleep part was like a dream, would get lazy, tired, and then suddenly passed out. Next day i would be fresh n recovered, it has some bcaa in it too to help recovery.. and some GH boosting stuff, so that u get that edge too

    sometimes these big brands MP - BSN actually make something worth taking.. this for me was a good one

  22. Quote Originally Posted by WPChickDiesel View Post
    For those who enjoy Lights Out....
    What are the main ingredient in the proprietary blend?
    mucuna pruriens
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  23. purebred
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    Quote Originally Posted by WPChickDiesel View Post
    For those who enjoy Lights Out....
    What are the main ingredient in the proprietary blend?
    A night well rested

  24. if i consider that lights out only consists of two cheap, widely available ingredients i find the product too expensive for me though i dont doubt that its effective

  25. I use now zma and now 5htp @5mg. I've found their brand to cost the least. More that 5mg 5htp gives me weird dreams and hard to wake up. If I need more sleep aid, I take some ketotifen or benadryl about 90 minutes before bed. Otherwise if later, I'm a zombie in the morning.
    I tried Valerian but it had stim effects for me. I read some research after that that shows it can have this effect on some of the test subjects.
    Alcohol is a poor choice because the body is busy breaking it down. You never reach the deepest sleep and when the alcohol is finished breaking down, blood sugar drops fast. After this, the body sends a spike of adrenaline which causes people to wake up or move up to the lightest level of sleep.
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