[AaronJP1]

First of all,i see alot of your posts and you are far from pushy man.To be honest most all reps here arent pushy by any means as compared to many sites,which is why I like this site..Over at ****ty BBdotcom,its a ****ing joke over there.One of the most poor run forums i have ever seen.the reps are ridiculous man.between ergo,Controlled Labs and universal,i never seen anyone push there products so hard,its disgusting!!!!

LMAO,there is one kid here who became a rep who fits your description to a T brotha "insecure groupies dying to be part of the IN crowd who defend the company and it's products no matter the cost as if that somehow makes them part-owner or cool or something" <---- you are so spot on..See with me,i say what i want when i want,accept me for what i say and if you dont to ****ing bad =).I dont mean that to sound slike a tough guy,but I dont care no worry about fitting in,cause i can be myself and naturally fit in anywhere,if ppl take the time to understand me.

We all have to understand,that a reps job is a reps job and they have to do what they have too,i fully respect that. I have met some really good reps from purus (airborne) and appnut (drooks and dewey) and SNS (warbird & Mr Cooper )who are helpful and dont shove anything down my throat,never have once,that i respect.

Dude,i just got into supps a few months ago.i was completley anti supps bro.i havent been training as long as most, about 7 years now,but im consistant and did it with just whey,creatine,multi and fish oil,whey ofcourse as well. So i do alot of research before i just go buy products.Im new to this supp thing,but im no fool or chump,so its not easy to force feed me bull****,just wont happen. Not new to bodybuilding either,so Whacked me and you are def on the same level bro.

Didn't know bird was an SNS rep?

Edit: N/M not the WS6Bird

[WARBIRDWS6]

Didn't know bird was an SNS rep?

Edit: N/M not the WS6Bird

I think jay thinks we are the same guy lol...people pm me that they accidentally pm'd the other wb thinking he was me

[Jay888999]

Warbird,i thought you were,lol,idk why!!!!

And warbird,when i do pm you im pming you!!!!!!1 lol

still respect ya =)

Aaron thnx for calling me out,lol..its deeply appreciated =/

[WARBIRDWS6]

Warbird,i thought you were,lol,idk why!!!!

And warbird,when i do pm you im pming you!!!!!!1 lol

still respect ya =)

Aaron thnx for calling me out,lol..its deeply appreciated =/

Yeah the other wb is rarely around....if i knew? i could have used a different name lol. I figure who the f would have this name?!!! i had it back as far as 01....but he had it on this site first

[MattPorter]

If AndroLean works it worth the cost.

AndroMass v2 seemed legit to me.

Ill give you a "no bull' breakdown

AM v2 -- This was the product with the most favorable feedback. People really did call and email they gained 10-12-16 lbs from this product

AH v2 -- Was hit or miss due to the pure alpha isomer of androsterone. This version was badass in potentially building some tissue, but made your brain feel foggy and dazed. This made lethargy a huge concern and motivation a real pain. Some succeeded well on it though

AL v2 -- Perhaps over hyped a bit....worked, but was super mild and was not transforming people like some would have liked.


AM v3 -- Similar feedback as V2. Mostly positive, and no lethargy issues like v2.

AH v3 -- A bad mofo...blended with more EPI (beta-isomer) to make your brain feel great and motivate your workouts.

AL v3 -- Vastly improved. Way better propensity to lessen abdominal fat and build some lean tissue from a mild anabolic now in the product (super-11)

AB v3 -- Safe, and works, but the price does not quite equate to the reward from user feedback. If price could be lowered I think people would love this product since its not very androgenic.

-Matt

[AaronJP1]

Ill give you a "no bull' breakdown

AM v2 -- This was the product with the most favorable feedback. People really did call and email they gained 10-12-16 lbs from this product

AH v2 -- Was hit or miss due to the pure alpha isomer of androsterone. This version was badass in potentially building some tissue, but made your brain feel foggy and dazed. This made lethargy a huge concern and motivation a real pain. Some succeeded well on it though

AL v2 -- Perhaps over hyped a bit....worked, but was super mild and was not transforming people like some would have liked.

AM v3 -- Similar feedback as V2. Mostly positive, and no lethargy issues like v2.

AH v3 -- A bad mofo...blended with more EPI (beta-isomer) to make your brain feel great and motivate your workouts.

AL v3 -- Vastly improved. Way better propensity to lessen abdominal fat and build some lean tissue from a mild anabolic now in the product (super-11)

AB v3 -- Safe, and works, but the price does not quite equate to the reward from user feedback. If price could be lowered I think people would love this product since its not very androgenic.

-Matt

I like that response.
Back to Lean v3 though, what are your thoughts on that? Over hyped as well?

[Jay888999]

Yeah the other wb is rarely around....if i knew? i could have used a different name lol. I figure who the f would have this name?!!! i had it back as far as 01....but he had it on this site first

But im pretty sure it was your profile pic...lol. idk bro,i dont think i ever saw the other wb

U cant change ya name?

[WARBIRDWS6]

But im pretty sure it was your profile pic...lol. idk bro,i dont think i ever saw the other wb

U cant change ya name?

there's two of us....you probably converse with me 95% of the time, but maybe a few times with the other wb...and you probably saw his SNS rep tag. But yeah, you've been PMing and posting with me for the most part LOL.

[Jay888999]

there's two of us....you probably converse with me 95% of the time, but maybe a few times with the other wb...and you probably saw his SNS rep tag. But yeah, you've been PMing and posting with me for the most part LOL.

Lol i hope..so,werent u the one that gave me a set pct including Div1,if u remember,lol

[HereToStudy]

I like that response.
Back to Lean v3 though, what are your thoughts on that? Over hyped as well?

He has had our competing sponsored athletes use it, if that speaks to anything for you.

[WARBIRDWS6]

Lol i hope..so,werent u the one that gave me a set pct including Div1,if u remember,lol

yeah that was me lol. you got the same guy, but I think you just saw the other wb's signature line of SNS rep once or twice and figured it was me.

[Geoforce]

Are the costs of the Andro series ever expected to come down a bit? I know some 25% off deals exist, but the barrier to entry for a lot of people has to be the very high cost as I'm sure PP is aware. Didn't know if it was something where we might see costs drop a bit in the future.

[lboston]

Are the costs of the Andro series ever expected to come down a bit? I know some 25% off deals exist, but the barrier to entry for a lot of people has to be the very high cost as I'm sure PP is aware. Didn't know if it was something where we might see costs drop a bit in the future.

You could open up to a whole new market that includes guys like myself...the cheap @ss/ broke @ss motha....

[HereToStudy]

Are the costs of the Andro series ever expected to come down a bit? I know some 25% off deals exist, but the barrier to entry for a lot of people has to be the very high cost as I'm sure PP is aware. Didn't know if it was something where we might see costs drop a bit in the future.

Eric is working on this. There are many stages to this product from synthesis to shipping to ester addition to shipping again to testing at every stage, etc.. It takes awhile to try and shave a bit at all of those corners, with zero change in quality and not sacrificing testing standards.

[halimaw]

I have been really looking into this or AH... would like to see feedback specially those with at/below 12%bf---subbed'.

[halfhuman]

jjj

[crux]

Thanks for the candid feedback. It's appreciated

That said, there are some mitigating factors that prevent your solid results from any sort of specific conclusion(s) on ONE particular product that you used to augment your diet in obtaining results.

Your diet alone would yield decent results.

T2 is a welll-liked and very well-documented product on this board and has been for years, so that muddies the waters too with respect to your results and WHAT caused them

Regardless, thanks for the post and congrats on the success

No question you are correct. Did you see Iboston's similar response, and then my response to that?

My response: "True. all I can tell you is what my results were with the stack I was on. Androlean comprised the majority of my stack, however. And I can also tell you that I have taken Alpha T-2 before and had very little success. I only was taking it again because it came free as part of a Nutraplanet combo deal, and i figured it may have some synergy for thermo properties. Additionally, when I previously took Andromass and had a similar diet, I did not lose any bodyfat. Take my anecdotal evidence for what it's worth. If you wait for someone who is not sponsored by Primordial Performance to run AndroLean solo you might be waiting a long time since almost everyone stacks the andro series."

As for another question by Iboston, my AndroMass amd AndroDrive run was decent, but I did not dose it correctly, nor for long enough. it was my first run on PP and I only bought one bottle of each, so I took 4 caps of each for 6 weeks. I had good strength gains and some mass, but I don't think I saw the full benefits. It was my mistake.

I am looking forward to my next AndroLean cycle of 6 caps/daily and AndroHard 3caps for 8 weeks. My diet will be strict and I will try to take bf% numbers as well as B&As. I'm not going to run it solo but I believe it will work well again for me.

For those of you on the fence who can afford it, just do an 8 week cycle and quit waiting for this board to convince you. All you are going to get is anecdotal evidence (such as mine). I think PP is selling quality products that are a little bit expensive but without many sides.

[AaronJP1]

I have been really looking into this or AH... would like to see feedback specially those with at/below 12%bf---subbed'.

I'd like to see feedback for those above.

M. Porter, didn't you say ppl had symptoms of cloudy head, foggy head on & feeling weak & sluggish on the Lean v3?

[WARBIRDWS6]

jjj

^^^ this.

[HereToStudy]

^^^ this.

Can non reps get a translation?

[WARBIRDWS6]

Can non reps get a translation?

are you where your NOT supposed to be .....again???....

[BigBlackGuy]

I'd like to see feedback for those above.

M. Porter, didn't you say ppl had symptoms of cloudy head, foggy head on & feeling weak & sluggish on the Lean v3?

Could be due to low levels of cortisol from 7/11 oxo. Cortisol transports T3 in to cells. But not 100% positive.

[AaronJP1]

Could be due to low levels of cortisol from 7/11 oxo. Cortisol transports T3 in to cells. But not 100% positive.

Thx.

[snagencyV2.0]

I have been really looking into this or AH... would like to see feedback specially those with at/below 12%bf---subbed'.

that would be me.
but since i'm an athlete sponsored by the company, i'll refrain from spinning a link to my thread.

(fyi - i am a fan of both products)

[HereToStudy]

are you where your NOT supposed to be .....again???....

I can't give my opinion, but can't blame me for keeping an eye on it, no?