eissh..i think things are getting skewed here.
let me say Mike, that half the things you just said, i have no clue about.
my experience is in natural training/prep, not drug-aided approaches.
so - i speak more of dietary discretion, and to this point, simple steroid use vs. non-steroid use -- to me, there is not a whole lot of difference in dietary discourse. what worked for me natty, also works for me with steroidal product.
i was simply trying to infer to bdcc, per his reference to Matt's post on an example approach listed, that there is no 'magical' secret for otc supps for the natty individual, or for that matter no dietary 'secret approach'.
i applaud your obvious knowledge, am now a little more aware of what i will be up against in Nationals, and now back out of this conversation.