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  1. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Protocols are very different when dealing with insulin and peptides for fullness.. pharma diuretics for dryness.. pgcl and laxatives to flatten the midsection.. seo to bring up lagging muscles or making muscles fuller without weight gain to make wt classes. Etc.

    Bodybuilding not natural is quite the ordeal. Fun but scary to live and do.
    you love reading things into my posts don't you!
    eissh..i think things are getting skewed here.

    let me say Mike, that half the things you just said, i have no clue about.
    my experience is in natural training/prep, not drug-aided approaches.

    so - i speak more of dietary discretion, and to this point, simple steroid use vs. non-steroid use -- to me, there is not a whole lot of difference in dietary discourse. what worked for me natty, also works for me with steroidal product.

    i was simply trying to infer to bdcc, per his reference to Matt's post on an example approach listed, that there is no 'magical' secret for otc supps for the natty individual, or for that matter no dietary 'secret approach'.

    i applaud your obvious knowledge, am now a little more aware of what i will be up against in Nationals, and now back out of this conversation.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I am strictly no AAS/PH products. I don't compete though, fitness modelling is where I am at so in theory I could take AAS and it wouldn't matter as I don't get tested, they are just not for me.
    Cool, didn't meant to imply you should or shouldn't, just was curious.
    Just inject.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    you love reading things into my posts don't you!
    eissh..i think things are getting skewed here.

    let me say Mike, that half the things you just said, i have no clue about.
    my experience is in natural training/prep, not drug-aided approaches.

    so - i speak more of dietary discretion, and to this point, simple steroid use vs. non-steroid use -- to me, there is not a whole lot of difference in dietary discourse. what worked for me natty, also works for me with steroidal product.

    i was simply trying to infer to bdcc, per his reference to Matt's post on an example approach listed, that there is no 'magical' secret for otc supps for the natty individual, or for that matter no dietary 'secret approach'.

    i applaud your obvious knowledge, am now a little more aware of what i will be up against in Nationals, and now back out of this conversation.
    I would unquestionably trade carbs for protein while using exogenous hormones (higher nitrogen retention; less need for protein-sparing effect of carbs). Fat intake should stay approximately the same but metabolic demands would theoretically be reduced since exogenous hormones would downregulate steroid hormone biosynthesis.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I would unquestionably trade carbs for protein while using exogenous hormones (higher nitrogen retention; less need for protein-sparing effect of carbs). Fat intake should stay approximately the same but metabolic demands would theoretically be reduced since exogenous hormones would downregulate steroid hormone biosynthesis.
    ahaaaa.
    yes cy, a minute change perhaps, but you may have something there.
    i did notice i could utilize more carbs thruout the process while not sacrificing leaning, but -- in that last 2-week window before landing that plane, i had to get just as stringent w/ carbs/cals as when i was natty (even moreso really, as i was striving for personal-low bf levels).
    so, once again, for bdcc and his question - really no diff between the two.

    btw - how many bodybuilding preps/model shoots have you prepped for, or guided someone thru?
    i wasn't aware you had such experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post

    btw - how many bodybuilding preps/model shoots have you prepped for, or guided someone thru?
    i wasn't aware you had such experience.
    Zero. Ignore me.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    ahaaaa.
    yes cy, a minute change perhaps, but you may have something there.
    i did notice i could utilize more carbs thruout the process while not sacrificing leaning, but -- in that last 2-week window before landing that plane, i had to get just as stringent w/ carbs/cals as when i was natty (even moreso really, as i was striving for personal-low bf levels).
    so, once again, for bdcc and his question - really no diff between the two.

    btw - how many bodybuilding preps/model shoots have you prepped for, or guided someone thru?
    i wasn't aware you had such experience.
    Once again, I was asking Matt for any particular supplement protocol he uses for peaking, not for differences in diet lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    BDCC,

    Snag is of course saying very accurate things regarding diet is always key regardless of drugs or no drugs...

    I think you after how exactly I 'peak' and 'dry out' a natty guy opposed to an assisted? I will actually look at those guys files and I can literally just paste it..

    If you noticed -- I dont keep secrets like these other guru/prep guys.

    I believe in sharing info on forums that I PERSONALLY would appreciate learning about.

    Too many shady, agenda ridden people out there...

    No secrets -- this stuff isn't always novelty information

    -Matt
    Yes please, this is exactly what I was asking for. As your first protocol depends heavily on PEDs I was curious to know what you could do with natural athletes when these were not allowed.

    Strategies for contest/photoshoot week vary so much I like collecting information from people with a background in doing it.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Zero. Ignore me.
    lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Once again, I was asking Matt for any particular supplement protocol he uses for peaking, not for differences in diet lol.
    yes, we already established that.
    hence - why i included that thread link, where your exact question is asked by someone else, and covered.

    Matt is great with these things, srs talent he has.
    and he is very generous with his time and advice.

    my apologies for even attempting to step in to help.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    Protocols are very different when dealing with insulin and peptides for fullness.. pharma diuretics for dryness.. pgcl and laxatives to flatten the midsection.. seo to bring up lagging muscles or making muscles fuller without weight gain to make wt classes. Etc.

    Bodybuilding not natural is quite the ordeal. Fun but scary to live and do.
    It's always something that interested me. Just simply as another dimension to shaping the human form and syncing physiology.
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  9. Welp, I see it wasn't mentioned -- as it's a relatively new product on the market but MAN's Nolvadren XT is along the lines of what you want. Very similar to Erase, which has been mentioned aplenty (as arimistane is a stud in and of itself).

    NXT combines arimistane for an AI (at a solid dose of 75mg), DIM for test modulation, and a cortisol control complex.

    It's catching face as a few logs pop up here/there; but as an extra bonus -- NP has it on sale ($10 off) and there is also a promo up for a bottle.
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  10. For bdcc

    Nothing special here....

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  11. Awesome, thank you.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I would unquestionably trade carbs for protein while using exogenous hormones (higher nitrogen retention; less need for protein-sparing effect of carbs). Fat intake should stay approximately the same but metabolic demands would theoretically be reduced since exogenous hormones would downregulate steroid hormone biosynthesis.
    Ahh, but there is nothing like the fullness of on cycle + carbs.
    Just inject.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Awesome, thank you.

    Yes,

    Let em know if you anymore questions?

    -Matt

  14. nice dietary guidelines Matt!

    hmmm..no crazy supp protocol..how bout that...

  15. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    nice dietary guidelines Matt!

    hmmm..no crazy supp protocol..how bout that...
    That's what I was curious about but he answered my question either way.
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  16. Thanks again Matt. I was curious to know if you used AIs, cortisol modulators and diuretics during the final phase.

    I thought you might use a more comprehensive supplement protocol, you answered my question.

    In future if I have further questions I will just PM you.

    Thanks again.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Thanks again Matt. I was curious to know if you used AIs, cortisol modulators and diuretics during the final phase.I thought you might use a more comprehensive supplement protocol, you answered my question.In future if I have further questions I will just PM you. Thanks again.
    Actually I prefer to ONLY answer questions in the open because other members can sometimes find info valuable to them and learn a bit.

    Too many people not giving out good info these days and threads starting to suck with redundancy.

    Yes I will various things as you mentioned above depending on the persons situation.


    -Matt

  18. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    nice dietary guidelines Matt!

    hmmm..no crazy supp protocol..how bout that...

    I have gotten a bit "crazy" on specific people ....but no one size fits all to everyone...

    Variations non stop....

    -matt

  19. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    I have gotten a bit "crazy" on specific people ....but no one size fits all to everyone...

    Variations non stop....

    -matt
    Really enjoy what your posting.. a good read.

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    Really enjoy what your posting.. a good read.Mike
    Thanks Mike,Always value your input too-Matt

  21. Progesterone has diuretic-like effects

    Tren + DHT would be 'dry'

    -Matt

  22. Matt, what's your suggestion for a natty guy who has difficulty with water retention. I hold a lot.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    Matt, what's your suggestion for a natty guy who has difficulty with water retention. I hold a lot.
    Probably should define natural (yes I know, here goes that again).

    What I mean is, natural = no hormones, or natural = only over the counter.
    Just inject.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by skoalcrush View Post
    Is there a supplement/stack that isn't a ph that will give that dry/vascular look?

    If so which?

    Thanks
    Extra vitC will help dry you out, and add some caffein maybe.
    its more where your body is at, not supps. im vascular with nothing, some can take a boat load of stuff and still not have much of anything.

    GPLC may help also
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by OrganicShadow View Post
    Matt, what's your suggestion for a natty guy who has difficulty with water retention. I hold a lot.

    Lower carbs, high fluid intake. Eat cucumbers and asparagus.

    -Matt
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