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  1. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    I do it because I am incredibly vain.
    I have to attest to this a bit. I do it because you can't. And when you tell me "I couldn't ever do that" It drives me. I can and I will.
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
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  2. Quote Originally Posted by BLaQz

    Well said...
    TY brotha!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy

    I do it because I am incredibly vain.
    Hey man,to each there own. I am vain as well.To an extent that is. But,i love a challenge and doing anything to make aure i win.I have an ego. Yeah its great to be strong and look good as well
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    8% bF and below
    DHT product such as AndroHard
    Aromatase control product such as Erase pro
    ECA/CLEN which contributes to diuresis
    11 KT for stress/cortisol control --AndroLean

    -Matt
    Agreed. Androgens are what competitors use close to contests for this purpose.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I do it because I am incredibly vain.
    Haha ^ this
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    Out of curiosity, what do you do with natural athletes rather than chemically assisted ones?
    Here a few guys whom I prepped that were 100% not using hormones while I helped them...

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  6. Wow, Excellent condition for no hormones. Hell excellent condition with hormones.
    Just inject.
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  7. ^^^Alot of times natural guys will get DRIER since they have less variables to be concerned with....this drug countering this side effect, plus this drug to counter this other side effect etc....They might not be big, round and full --- but they can get dry and very conditioned!-Matt

  8. Drink a bottle of jack, then you'll wake up dry and hard the next morning

    Lmfao

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  9. Quote Originally Posted by UnderXero
    Drink a bottle of jack, then you'll wake up dry and hard the next morning

    Lmfao

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    Not recommending it but can vouch for this haha I always wake up appearing "dryer" and "leaner" after a moderate night of drinking.
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  10. Just imagine how dried out you would've been after a balls-to-the-walls night of drinking! You're not really REALLY dry unless your head feels like it's taking a railroad spike.
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  11. Matt, what does that guy weigh dialed in?
    Just inject.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    ^^^Alot of times natural guys will get DRIER since they have less variables to be concerned with....this drug countering this side effect, plus this drug to counter this other side effect etc....They might not be big, round and full --- but they can get dry and very conditioned!-Matt

    Def agree.. balancing everything from AAS to pharmacological meds for hypertension, and everything else can become quite the challenge. You have 5 different meds to counteract side effects for 5 other things.. its just a chain reaction that is hard to stop.

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  13. I am fascinated between the differences in pre workout prep for naturals and assisted athletes. To me I have never done anything that drastic for the week prior a shoot but my body fat levels are not bodybuilder-esque. I only need to come in at 7%, nowhere near as dry as the guys in these photos.

    Matt, what would your protocols look like for natural athletes? Actually natural, not 'natural *wink*' lol.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I am fascinated between the differences in pre workout prep for naturals and assisted athletes. To me I have never done anything that drastic for the week prior a shoot but my body fat levels are not bodybuilder-esque. I only need to come in at 7%, nowhere near as dry as the guys in these photos.

    Matt, what would your protocols look like for natural athletes? Actually natural, not 'natural *wink*' lol.
    My understanding is those guys were natural.
    Just inject.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    My understanding is those guys were natural.
    indeed.



    i'm not Matt, but i think i can emulate his response....

    there is no difference between protocols for natty/enhanced per se - it is the fact of 'enhancement' that you then may have to do some things to 'counteract' the effects of that enhancement, that differs.
    even then, it is not night/day differences in guidelines..

    the same principles that apply to totally natty guys will work when utilized with anabolics.

    ppl like to make this a complicated thought process (been there, done that myself ).
    it's not.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    indeed.



    i'm not Matt, but i think i can emulate his response....

    there is no difference between protocols for natty/enhanced per se - it is the fact of 'enhancement' that you then may have to do some things to 'counteract' the effects of that enhancement, that differs.
    even then, it is not night/day differences in guidelines..

    the same principles that apply to totally natty guys will work when utilized with anabolics.

    ppl like to make this a complicated thought process (been there, done that myself ).
    it's not.
    I would hope that it differs a lot to what he outlined previously lol.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I would hope that it differs a lot to what he outlined previously lol.
    if you are talking about this:

    8% bF and below
    DHT product such as AndroHard
    Aromatase control product such as Erase pro
    ECA/CLEN which contributes to diuresis
    11 KT for stress/cortisol control --AndroLean


    then obviously........

    there would be some otc product that you could use in place of this, if desired.
    (already illustrated by erase pro/ECA)

    as far as diet/training goes, which is ULTIMATELY the catalyst for getting into ultra-low bf levels, there would be no (or very little) difference.

    diet is key - not drugs, and not supps.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by theniteman View Post
    Not recommending it but can vouch for this haha I always wake up appearing "dryer" and "leaner" after a moderate night of drinking.
    Theres been times Ive woken up with my brain swirling but looking peeled. Not advocating it - just seconding the vouch
    By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
    Franz Kafka

  19. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    if you are talking about this:

    8% bF and below
    DHT product such as AndroHard
    Aromatase control product such as Erase pro
    ECA/CLEN which contributes to diuresis
    11 KT for stress/cortisol control --AndroLean


    then obviously........

    there would be some otc product that you could use in place of this, if desired.
    (already illustrated by erase pro/ECA)

    as far as diet/training goes, which is ULTIMATELY the catalyst for getting into ultra-low bf levels, there would be no (or very little) difference.

    diet is key - not drugs, and not supps.
    You are complicating this and not answering my initial question lol.

    - Matt posts up a protocol involving some PEDs as his protocol for people in the final phases
    - As he has only posted a single protocol, I get curious and ask what he does if he has a natural competitor
    - You jump in and tell me the protocols don't differ
    - I say that they do because his protocol revolves around PEDs and real naturals won't use them
    - You then tell me diet and training is key and there would be little difference from assisted athletes even though this isn't my question
    - I am still none the wiser to what protocol he likes using, if any, with natural athletes.

    With all due respect, I was asking Matt if he had a protocol he regularly uses with natural competitors because I made an assumption he coaches a lot of bodybuilders so wanted to know how his compared to mine. I am still curious to know what protocol he uses. I am not asking how diet and training differ, I was asking a very brief question solely on natural supplementation prior to contest.
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  20. okay.

    http://forums.musculardevelopment.co...r-CONTEST-PREP!

    all of your questions are answered here.

    one of the best threads i have ever seen.

  21. BDCC, you compete natural?
    Just inject.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    BDCC, you compete natural?
    I am strictly no AAS/PH products. I don't compete though, fitness modelling is where I am at so in theory I could take AAS and it wouldn't matter as I don't get tested, they are just not for me.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by bdcc View Post
    I am strictly no AAS/PH products. I don't compete though, fitness modelling is where I am at so in theory I could take AAS and it wouldn't matter as I don't get tested, they are just not for me.

    BDCC,

    Snag is of course saying very accurate things regarding diet is always key regardless of drugs or no drugs...

    I think you after how exactly I 'peak' and 'dry out' a natty guy opposed to an assisted? I will actually look at those guys files and I can literally just paste it..

    If you noticed -- I dont keep secrets like these other guru/prep guys.

    I believe in sharing info on forums that I PERSONALLY would appreciate learning about.

    Too many shady, agenda ridden people out there...

    No secrets -- this stuff isn't always novelty information

    -Matt

  24. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0

    indeed.

    i'm not Matt, but i think i can emulate his response....

    there is no difference between protocols for natty/enhanced per se - it is the fact of 'enhancement' that you then may have to do some things to 'counteract' the effects of that enhancement, that differs.
    even then, it is not night/day differences in guidelines..

    the same principles that apply to totally natty guys will work when
    utilized with anabolics.

    ppl like to make this a complicated thought process (been there, done that myself ).
    it's not.
    Protocols are very different when dealing with insulin and peptides for fullness.. pharma diuretics for dryness.. pgcl and laxatives to flatten the midsection.. seo to bring up lagging muscles or making muscles fuller without weight gain to make wt classes. Etc.

    Bodybuilding not natural is quite the ordeal. Fun but scary to live and do.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench

    Protocols are very different when dealing with insulin and peptides for fullness.. pharma diuretics for dryness.. pgcl and laxatives to flatten the midsection.. seo to bring up lagging muscles or making muscles fuller without weight gain to make wt classes. Etc.

    Bodybuilding not natural is quite the ordeal. Fun but scary to live and do.
    Everyone does stuff different. I use to do more now i find i can control my appearance much better with higher doses of less of certain things.

    All the respect in the world for natty bodybuilders.

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