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    David Dunn's Avatar

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Berberine is a well-documented constitued of Phellodendron, though I'm not sure if the species USPLabs is using (they list only the genus) contains berberine. Most do.
    If it were Berberine HCL derived from from the roots of Berberis aristata (tree turmeric) does the species matter?

    I know that USPlabs has always proposed a proprietary extract process...yada...yada...yada.. .but if I you have berberine HCL does it matter?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    If it were Berberine HCL derived from from the roots of Berberis aristata (tree turmeric) does the species matter?

    I know that USPlabs has always proposed a proprietary extract process...yada...yada...yada.. .but if I you have berberine HCL does it matter?
    Berberine HCl is berberine HCl. The species of phellodendron matters because most, but not all, such species contain berberine, and different species contain different constituents.
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  3. You have to remember too that AP utilizes a a high concentration of specifically extracted tannins in addition to it's corosolic acid content that makes it the unique product that it is. It's more than just a "Berberine Supplement".

  4. Quote Originally Posted by diezel View Post
    You have to remember too that AP utilizes a a high concentration of specifically extracted tannins in addition to it's corosolic acid content that makes it the unique product that it is. It's more than just a "Berberine Supplement".
    Actually the phellodendron is not listed as an extract and neither is the Banaba. Thus, they are parts of the plant and not specific extracts so I'm not sure how they specifically extracted for something.

  5. Nomenclature frequently changes. I'm looking at a bottle of Anabolic-Pump right now that says ( phellodendron (bark) extract, Crape Myrtle (lagerstroemia Speciosia (stem) extract. Even at Nutraplanet it says:

    AnabolicPump: (proprietary blend):P-Insulin (Engineered Extract from Phellodendron)Tannins Complex (Engineered Extract from Lagerstroemia Speciosa)
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by diezel View Post
    Nomenclature frequently changes. I'm looking at a bottle of Anabolic-Pump right now that says ( phellodendron (bark) extract, Crape Myrtle (lagerstroemia Speciosia (stem) extract. Even at Nutraplanet it says:

    AnabolicPump: (proprietary blend):P-Insulin (Engineered Extract from Phellodendron)Tannins Complex (Engineered Extract from Lagerstroemia Speciosa)
    Then it is an extract (although this has nothing to do with "nomenclature"). The label which David posted must be outdated or incorrect.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Then it is an extract (although this has nothing to do with "nomenclature"). The label which David posted must be outdated or incorrect.


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    Purchased 2 weeks ago.. They r redoing the labels and reducing Ct. From 90 to 60... Also about a 10$ price redux

  8. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
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    Purchased 2 weeks ago.. They r redoing the labels and reducing Ct. From 90 to 60... Also about a 10$ price redux
    Well then I have no clue, you'd have to PM USPlabs. I do know that they no longer standardize SuperCissus caps.

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    Purchased 2 weeks ago.. They r redoing the labels and reducing Ct. From 90 to 60... Also about a 10$ price redux
    It's the same product. As Chedapalooza mentioned there will also be some cosmetic changes with AP but the formula will stay the same.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by diezel View Post
    It's the same product. As Chedapalooza mentioned there will also be some cosmetic changes with AP but the formula will stay the same.
    Are you a rep for USPLabs (serious question)? These "cosmetic changes" indicate that the product is no longer using an extract.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Are you a rep for USPLabs (serious question)? These "cosmetic changes" indicate that the product is no longer using an extract.
    Strategic said they're just redoin the label.. Formula always has and will be the same ...

  12. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Strategic said they're just redoin the label.. Formula always has and will be the same ...
    I honestly don't know, you'd have to ask USPLabs. I'm only commenting on the label as I see it.

  13. This is the cosmetic change I was referring to: http://usplabsdirect.com/anabolic-pump.html. The formula is unchanged from the one I mentioned above. Although it may look as if we no longer use an extract that is still the case. Yes I work for USPlabs.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by diezel View Post
    This is the cosmetic change I was referring to: http://usplabsdirect.com/anabolic-pump.html. The formula is unchanged from the one I mentioned above. Although it may look as if we no longer use an extract that is still the case. Yes I work for USPlabs.
    Any idea why you don't list the species of Phellodendron?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Any idea why you don't list the species of Phellodendron?
    We can't have little AP clones running around . AP is my "one" supplement I always want to have. Even though it may look very "simple" the results speak for themselves.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by diezel

    We can't have little AP clones running around . AP is my "one" supplement I always want to have. Even though it may look very "simple" the results speak for themselves.
    Agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Then it is an extract (although this has nothing to do with "nomenclature"). The label which David posted must be outdated or incorrect.
    My bottle is exactly as chedapalooza posted.

    I have had issue with these guys and their inconsistent product label nomenclature for years. They are terrible offenders.
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    NutraPlanet
    AnabolicPump: (proprietary blend):
    P-Insulin (Engineered Extract from Phellodendron)
    Tannins Complex (Engineered Extract from Lagerstroemia Speciosa)
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    They r redoing the labels and reducing Ct. From 90 to 60... Also about a 10$ price redux
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Formula always has and will be the same ...
    Not true.

    I've seen multiples of label nomenclature over the many years it has been out. Either the labels are bogus or the ingredients have changed several times along the way.

    Another example:
    Other Ingredients: AnabolicPump: P-Insulin (Extract Engineered from Phellodendron HCl), Tannins Complex (Extract Engineered from Lagerstroemia Speciosa), Symmetry (Herbal Engineered Ketones from Cissus Quadrangularis).

  20. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn
    Not true.

    I've seen multiples of label nomenclature over the many years it has been out. Either the labels are bogus or the ingredients have changed several times along the way.

    Another example:
    Other Ingredients: AnabolicPump: P-Insulin (Extract Engineered from Phellodendron HCl), Tannins Complex (Extract Engineered from Lagerstroemia Speciosa), Symmetry (Herbal Engineered Ketones from Cissus Quadrangularis).
    Mhmm that's from a d starting website.. And I pointed it out to strategicmove. And he told me that was an error on their part and cissus has never been in AP..

  21. I wonder why the label changed/ingredients wise too and it's $30 caps less... Price should be $25 now.

    Alright, anyhow discussing AP is fun and all but I want to hear more of what people are using in their stacks...

    Keep the AP discussion going if you wish, learning a lot about the product.
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  22. I don't really care enough about labels to get too into this, but I was under the impression that:

    1. Switching from an extract to a part of the plant would mean that the ingredients did indeed change (ingredients = compounds, not plants), unless the extract was simply the full-spectrum plant to begin with.

    2. A species must be listed when listing a plant on the label.

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  24. Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Currently using solgar desiccated liver.
    Why do yoi preffer .It is the price Better. ?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by murk01

    Why do yoi preffer .It is the price Better. ?
    There was something in uniliver label that turned me off... I forget what to be honest.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    I don't really care enough about labels to get too into this, but I was under the impression that:

    1. Switching from an extract to a part of the plant would mean that the ingredients did indeed change (ingredients = compounds, not plants), unless the extract was simply the full-spectrum plant to begin with.

    2. A species must be listed when listing a plant on the label.
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  27. Well after sifting through this thread I feel I need to give AP a try...

    Good discussion.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    Well after sifting through this thread I feel I need to give AP a try...

    Good discussion.
    I'm going to add yellow gold to my ssv1 and see how that works. If it helps I'll probably pick up some AP for my next recomp

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