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    I've been experimenting with a combination that, to me, is even more potent than Hemavol.

    2 servings of SNS Arginine E2 Matrix (primarily for the norvaline and orthinine content, not the arginine) + 4 caps SNS Agmatine + 3 scoops SNS Citrulline Malate yields some incredible pumps.

    If you need that extra focus and a gentle stimulatory kick, throwing in a scoop of Focus XT is an excellent idea as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by roblasane View Post
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    Get it ! It works stack it with hemavol and you'll get pumps that are insane. I can't even button my shirt leaving the gym .
    food + blood pumps.. you can not get any better IMO. I do hemavol + waxy maize and swell up like a mofo!!
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    No-explode works for me


    But I gotta say there isn't much wrong with Jack3d! Just sayin.
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    vasotropin actually is not half bad... if you can time it with a good carb meal 1 hour plus before workouts. Seems to work well the times I workout late, 1-2 hours after a regular family dinner.. When stims won`t do jack due to too much food in the system..
    Took 4 pills along with a pasta dish about 60-70 minutes before working out yesterday... pumps and energy was good, not extreme, but vascularity was insane...
    It also does wonders with a certain other kinda pump:-)

    I bought 3 boxes of craze, I love it, but I`m one of the guys that it totally kills my libido....not the lust, but while I usually can get it quickly up with little stimulation, after training with craze, I can only get semihard, and it feels totally numb..alot worse than 1.3 dim... can`t understand why... libido numbness issue stays atleast 8-10 hours... while 1.3 dim issue maybe lasted me 2-3 hours after a workout, and not really a big problem.. just took a bit longer to get going at full speed. .

    Vasotropin kinda counters it, but taking craze with vasotropin kinda nullifes the effects... kinda inverts my veins instead.. weird stuff.

    Never tried hemavol, but tried yok3d, which was even more hit/miss than vasotropin..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42
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    what he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Maximize Intense (nutra 20 duckets)
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    Half scoop of each! Ftw

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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    food + blood pumps.. you can not get any better IMO. I do hemavol + waxy maize and swell up like a mofo!!
    I agree with this - eating a meal high in carbohydrate content and hydrating well before workouts, along with doing high volume, is another great way to help stimulate a pump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aaronbaron View Post
    But I gotta say there isn't much wrong with Jack3d! Just sayin.
    Are you being serious?

    Jack3d is essentially a ****tail of caffeine and 1,3 DMAA. 45 servings for ~$26. I think that I will buy SNS Caffeine (501 tabs) for $15, and SNS Adrena-G (1,3 DMAA - get it while the getting's good!) and save my money.
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    Mesomorph is probably tha best pwo supp. Ive taken and ive taken quite a few..its gives u a great pump and insane focus and u feel it more and more with every use
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    Quote Originally Posted by miester_28
    Go with Nx6 its a lil pricey though. Its the best IMO.
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    agmatine stacked with any stim pre, add some l-tyrosine for focus although there are pre's out there with it in it. I am currently stacking cellucors m5 with agmatine. i get some retarded pumps although sometimes all it does is hinder a workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleWade View Post
    Are you being serious?

    Jack3d is essentially a ****tail of caffeine and 1,3 DMAA. 45 servings for ~$26. I think that I will buy SNS Caffeine (501 tabs) for $15, and SNS Adrena-G (1,3 DMAA - get it while the getting's good!) and save my money.
    Such a hater. U mad USP stylin' on you?

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    just use some caffeine

    everything else is bogus
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    Quote Originally Posted by dexterfan
    just use some caffeine

    everything else is bogus
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    Quote Originally Posted by dexterfan View Post
    just use some caffeine

    everything else is bogus
    The scientific evidence stemming from NO boosting on citrulline malate and nitrates, along with other compounds as beta-alanine and creatine are a little hard to disregard.
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    After not using craze for a week... I get morning wood hardness even jerking off 6-8 times a day, and come easy and hard.
    Today morning wood was solid as steel and i considered peeing while doing handstands lol. So i figured, lets try the craze again.
    Incredible workout, kept it short to see if the prolonged workouts due to craze is what causes the problem and not caze itself.
    took my piece for a testrun, about an hours after training.. Well, it looks like i had a cold bath, and cant get more than semi hard no matter what.
    actually a few years ago, i used antidepressants for about three days, could not handle the sides, which was similar to this, a very numb feeling and coming took forever.
    Jack3d only made it harder to get hard, but after a bit longer "warmup" it still would get solid...craze kills everything, sensation and hardness..
    its the best preworkout i ever used, but i will use it only on days i dont intend to have sex..

    I wonder whats in it that causes the ssri like effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbear
    After not using craze for a week... I get morning wood hardness even jerking off 6-8 times a day, and come easy and hard.
    Today morning wood was solid as steel and i considered peeing while doing handstands lol. So i figured, lets try the craze again.
    Incredible workout, kept it short to see if the prolonged workouts due to craze is what causes the problem and not caze itself.
    took my piece for a testrun, about an hours after training.. Well, it looks like i had a cold bath, and cant get more than semi hard no matter what.
    actually a few years ago, i used antidepressants for about three days, could not handle the sides, which was similar to this, a very numb feeling and coming took forever.
    Jack3d only made it harder to get hard, but after a bit longer "warmup" it still would get solid...craze kills everything, sensation and hardness..
    its the best preworkout i ever used, but i will use it only on days i dont intend to have sex..

    I wonder whats in it that causes the ssri like effect?
    Sounds like you have some serious self fulfilling prophecies brah
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    for pumps 2 scoops hemavol plus 6 pills c-bol (creatine Nitrate)
    The pumps might actually become detrimental to your workout.

    If you want clean energy along with it do 2 scoops watermelon hemavol 1 scoop watermelon pre-surge and forget about the c-bol
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    Quote Originally Posted by criticalbench View Post
    food + blood pumps.. you can not get any better IMO. I do hemavol + waxy maize and swell up like a mofo!!
    I just started using 30 grams waxy maize immediately pre workout and holy **** I didn't think I could get any more pumped!

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    As other have said:
    Hemavol + creatine nitrate = pumps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StackedCop View Post
    If you're looking for a pump check out hemavol. It's a stim free pump product that also increases endurance. Maximize intense is a very strong stim based pre workout but also has agmatine for pumps. Plus its on sale for 20$ a nutra
    ^^^This... Stack Hemavol with almost anything and it will make the PWO 5 times better. I will only list the ones that I have had great success with: I have stacked it with Flashover, D-stunner, shred ultra, and most recently with Purple wraath (best PWO combo I have ever tried Hemavol + Purple Wraath) Very, very intense with super pump and awesome recovery.
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    Maximize Intense + Hemavol = awesome energy along with ridiculous pumps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigOil26 View Post
    I've tried quite a few, eventually they don't work on me anymore. Looking for something that makes me feel as if my skin is coming apart.
    Hemavol if you're looking for srs pumps, craze if youre looking for srs stims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mw1
    Adrena G/ Agmatine
    This is one solid option.

    Another great option is as follows:

    Focus XT(Tastes f'ing delish, all flavs)
    Adrena-G(1,3 in 25mg Caps)
    Agmatine(Pump, but also an amazing health supplement)
    Cit-Mal( SNS 300g, very good sh!t)

    Dosing:
    Pre-workout:
    1 scoop Focus XT (200mg Caff+ effacious doses of leading nootropics on the market. Focus is insane)
    1 cap Adrena-G (25mg 1,3)
    2 scoops SNS Cit-Mal (6g Cit-Mal)

    AM:
    750mg Agmatine in AM with breakfast.
    Why? To start your day off with all day pumps, vascularity and acts as a GDA...

    Cost:

    You may be thinking, 4 products?!?!

    Well,

    Cit-Mal= 300g/6g=50 workouts
    Adrena-G= 120 or 240 caps, 120/240 workouts
    Agmatine=90 caps/3= 30 days.
    Focus XT= 30 servings= 30 workouts...

    So, all this for $80 and will last you a long, long time.

    At max dosages, at least 6 weeks of use....

    At least 10 weeks w/ Cit-Mal...

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    Razor 8 blast powder I've never built a tolerance to this .... But I'm a hemavol fan now....
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    Quote Originally Posted by texasfinest2
    Razor 8 blast powder I've never built a tolerance to this .... But I'm a hemavol fan now....
    .5 scoop Blast+1 scoop hema would be solid
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    DES Craze is the best thing I ever swallowed!

    I'm a 55 y/o professional who works out during my lunch break at work and I usually have to force myself to stop after almost 90 minutes and get back to work! This past Monday, after working shoulders/back for over an hour, I still had so much energy that I decided to end my workout with 4 sets of squats. And this 2 days after my regular leg day!

    When I lift on weekends at the gym by my home, I use Jack3D + Hemavol and it doesn't make me feel as good as Craze during the week. I've got 2 more tubs of Craze saved but need to add more in case it gets banned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Muscle Marinade is strong and loaded with some other goodies.
    Expierement and try a few.... See which ones you enjoy.
    Agree with this, however when he says it's strong, its like HOLY SH!TTT OMG strong be careful. I wouldnt take over 1 scoop.

    But, if I were to suggest something it would be DS Craze.
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    I built up resistances myself, currently I use a hybrid system using Razor 8 Blast Powder and several other ingredients, gives great pump and if over time I do start getting resistant again, I tweak the formula. Honestly, if like me you adapt rather quickly to anything stim-like then the best option other than taking a "non stim" pre-workout is to do your research and start taking things into your own hands. It costs less too, a month's supply of R8BP is still going two months later. and one gallon of my formula lasts me a seven day cycle. If you wish for the mix I am using, contact me, if not, good luck and good workouts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by batbreakr View Post
    I built up resistances myself, currently I use a hybrid system using Razor 8 Blast Powder and several other ingredients, gives great pump and if over time I do start getting resistant again, I tweak the formula. Honestly, if like me you adapt rather quickly to anything stim-like then the best option other than taking a "non stim" pre-workout is to do your research and start taking things into your own hands. It costs less too, a month's supply of R8BP is still going two months later. and one gallon of my formula lasts me a seven day cycle. If you wish for the mix I am using, contact me, if not, good luck and good workouts!
    Hahaha you need a stim break buddy.
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