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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    In no way was I comparing the two. Perhaps you need to reread the posts that were made and actually the entire thread in order to understand what is being asked here. A gentleman is looking for a pre-game supplement for baseball. This is NOT a call out for AX nor iForce. This is a general help thread. Rather than walking in and dropping a name, I chose to explain to the OP and others why something might be beneficial. And you are incorrect in your assumption that Ultra Reps is a stim-based product.

    No...it contains theobromine which is a stim. This means the product contains stimulants. Is it a stim heavy product? Absolutely not, but the FACT here is that the product contains stimulants.

    There are many components out there that will not induce a stimulatory feeling at a certain dose but will at others. Case in point here is the theobromine in Ultra Reps. The dosing is negligible at best, and only there in minute amounts to get the touch of one desired effect. The dosing is NOT enough to be a stimulant. Period. If you disagree, I'll be glad to find the information and a few others who would be willing to add to the non-stim effects of a minute amount of theobromine.

    1mg of tribulus terrestris in a product makes that product contain tribulus terrestris. 1mg of theobromine makes that product contain a stimulant.

    As for bringing up the past... Class act right there, Vaughn.

    Again, this is a fact. You're sitting here telling us things as if we SHOULD trust you. Trust is built...and you guys just don't seem to understand that.

    Do I really need to tell folks about how you tried on numerous occasions to infiltrate the AX board to gain inside knowledge, even going to the point of approaching one of our contracted formulators for information? Does everyone really need to hear the long history that you have with many many many companies out here in forum land? I doubt it. Nobody wants to see what's behind the curtain. They just want the wizard to grant their wishes and go home.

    LOL this I would honestly love to hear. On the AX board? I think the last time I was there was when you guys were releasing 3-ad(aka 11oxo), and I was curious what you were releasing...because I wanted to buy some.

    And approaching one of your formulators? LOL what? Please, do tell.


    You attack my post, and you attack Clickster's, and yet he STILL pointed out a flaw in your little "we get perfect scores" routine. Just because a few users give you anecdotal evidence that something you gave them for free is bro-awesome does not mean that it is actually as good as it is marketed to be. Check the logz, bro is NOT scientific evidence that a product is effective!! It's merely a set of opinions, and everyone has 'em...just like another body part which some forum users here can identify with more than others. But if you want some science and not some bro-science, what sort of novel ingredients are you bringing to the table these days?

    lets see, to date iForce has released these novel compounds:

    1. dymethazine
    2. protodrol
    3. nmda/intimidate
    4. 7-methoxy flavone

    And we have another 2 novel ingredients being used in the new dexaprine(one of which will be in the upcoming Max Intense as well).



    But yes, I do believe we fall short of designer stimulants. I'll leave that to "other" companies.


    Hmm? In fact, how is it that you even survived after the big raid a few years ago? Everyone is familiar with the fact that iForce had MANY more items on that list of infractions than AX did. Difference is, AX took that slap and grew with it. We learned the lessons, and in the process of reformulating EVERYTHING - business model included - we came out with a way to do it all in a manner that is 100% compliant, no questions to be asked, not even refuted. The products that are produced now are not just a shuffle of old ingredients or taking something popular from a competitor and reworking it to suit your market needs. That's the way you play, not AX. And as for the whole "rep game", please...

    So is that why iForce had a 125k fine from the FDA and AX had a 500k fine?

    Also, take a look at our "offenses"...we put steronz in our steronz. Each of our labels stated EXACTLY what was in the product. What did you guys get in trouble for again?


    Its funny...iForce is more than 2x as big now as we were when the raids happened, yet you're curious how we've survived? LOL iForce is more popular now than ever, and for good reason. We make damn effective products.

    Vaughn, we are all QUITE familiar with the way you operate on these boards. Jump in, say something big, and run away. Most times you don't even come back to a thread that you've done this in. Whether it be arrogance or just your pimp strategy, it's crappy customer service. We've seen your rep game and how you try to model your crew to push iForce. It's the same thing - jump in, downplay a product from a competitor with everything you can muster, including slanderous remarks, and then namedrop something from iForce and leave. Ya know what? In the long run, that doesn't work. You leave NO information for people about your products. You help extremely little when it comes to actual knowledge of said products or how to implement them. You offer nothing but petty little jabs and a canned list of quotes that serve your little purpose. Point is, your marketing strategy is transparent, wearing thin on people on every forum, and it sucks for the consumer. Push all you want... you are an antique.

    I don't understand...what would I run from?

    If you think Ultra Reps is the end all be all, please post some science proving it. I'm more than happy to be educated, and admit I'm wrong.


    I will put my reps against yours any day of the week. No, this isn't about selling any da*n products! I don't give a lick what AX sells. This forum and these people are here for HELP. They don't always want to be told a name just so that they have something to look at. They want to know information, what's best for them, and if a rep or forum user is good enough, they'll take it to the next level and help them personally with absolutely EVERYTHING that they need. You can cater your bro-science to all the newbies all you want. There's always going to be someone out there who is attracted to something just because the name is put in front of them with neon lights. We all start out innocent, inexperienced, and relatively ignorant of this world. But when people mature and actually want information and help beyond a name drop, where are you going to be? What exactly are you going to do? I know, how about we drop a product name!! Great idea - and here's a perfect example for everyone to read: Phenibut`s effects on the heart?

    Cliffs, bra? Sure... Older gentleman with congestive heart failure is asking about the sides from Phenibut. And what is the help here?


    Yeah... Let's just slap that there Hemavol name everywhere we can, shall we? Seriously, get a handle on it. I don't know if you are going for google hits or what, but that example is not only a retardation of the thread but BAD ADVISE TO SOMEONE WITH A SERIOUS HEART CONDITION.

    You seemed to have missed my post in that thread

    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    i agree that simply pushing the product in that way was not the best idea. Nik can get very excited at times which makes him a great guy, but information like this isn't the best to give out.

    OP - as others have stated, get with a doctor. With a heart condition such as yours, I would use supplements EXTREMELY infrequently.
    I stated publicly then that the way he answered that question was incorrect, and spoke to him about it. Not sure what else I can do...




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    I could go back and forth for days with you and you know it. Tit for tat, push and shove. Instead, I'm taking the high road and backing out. This is NOT how I do business and is certainly NOT how I help people.



    To the OP of this thread - don't buy anything from either Athletic Xtreme or iForce. If I were you, I'd go with something from PES, SNS, or another company. Perhaps look for a rep in this thread who was not involved in this latest politico war. In fact, I urge you to buy from them just based on the way their representatives have tried to assist you rather than point the fingers of blame.

    To everyone else who has made valid suggestions in this thread, I apologize for my posts to Vaughn. I will not delete them, but I will exit this thread. I have other people to help today. If you need me, feel free to PM or email. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    I could go back and forth for days with you and you know it. Tit for tat, push and shove. Instead, I'm taking the high road and backing out. This is NOT how I do business and is certainly NOT how I help people.



    To the OP of this thread - don't buy anything from either Athletic Xtreme or iForce. If I were you, I'd go with something from PES, SNS, or another company. Perhaps look for a rep in this thread who was not involved in this latest politico war. In fact, I urge you to buy from them just based on the way their representatives have tried to assist you rather than point the fingers of blame.

    To everyone else who has made valid suggestions in this thread, I apologize for my posts to Vaughn. I will not delete them, but I will exit this thread. I have other people to help today. If you need me, feel free to PM or email. Thanks.
    so after telling me im a bad person for supposedly doing this exact same thing(going into a thread, making a big stink, and then leaving), you're doing the exact same thing?

    does not compute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Did I bash your product with that statement? No...I stated a fact. Its not very easy to get logs or people to promote your product for you when there are extremely few people actually using your product.

    Vaughn, can you clear your PM's. Been trying to PM you for awhile.
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    And on a side note if we're talking "specifically" about a PWO that is effective prior to athletic/sporting events...Craze all day everyday. I've used it in the past prior to sparring, basketball, 5k's, 8k's and fasted H.I.I.T runs. M-Intense is very good in that regard as well. However, I'd rank it right behind Craze for these type of events. In a gym setting (traditional lifiting), M-Intense is excellent.
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    Is there a sub forum here where guys can post questions and look for unbiased suggestions? There should be lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Vaughn, can you clear your PM's. Been trying to PM you for awhile.

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    This wouldn't be pre supplement use persay but I'd think stuff like CoQ10, ALA, EPA, DHA, Niacin, Red Rice Yeast, Green Tea, B-vits, and etc would all be beneficial. Give you some cardio protection and allow you to play at your fullest.

    Also all this stress in this topic isn't good for anyone's heart and hormones. We all just need to take a step back, deep breath, and continue on. End goals is the same for everyone here. To be the best they can be! The supplement industries and it's reps should be more like brothers than enemies on the battlefield. Sure we can have spats and break the couch wrestling but in the end we all have common goals and it's much easier to support each other. Just my 2 cents!

    Just for the record, I've used both products and I like things about both of them. I think everyone should just mix ultra reps, hemavol, ultima, and toss in some more agmatine and walk around hulking it up. Maybe throw in some p-bol for fun. We can call it ultra-ulti-bol-hematine.
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    What he said...oh and Craze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    What he said...oh and Craze.
    Okay then.. ultra-ulti-crazbol-hematine then ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by D2footballjrc View Post
    Okay then.. ultra-ulti-crazbol-hematine then ;-)
    Exactly...but mostly Craze.
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    Room for one more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Is there a sub forum here where guys can post questions and look for unbiased suggestions? There should be lol.
    Actually, there is:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ten-milas.html
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    This thread has me confused. So, I should take Superdrol before or after my baseball game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM

    There's room on my lap
    My wish came true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    This thread has me confused. So, I should take Superdrol before or after my baseball game?
    I prefer 10-20mg before each at bat. My liver starts to hurt a little bit if we go extra innings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    Room for one more?
    Back off!!! I already claimed it! Get your own fu(king lap!
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    Common bro why would u take d Bol just take plain steroids if ur gonna do it since first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    Back off!!! I already claimed it! Get your own fu(king lap!
    But...but...


    ...you have a lap, don't ya...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    But...but...

    ...you have a lap, don't ya...?
    I was just kidding! Come here you!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast
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    I LOL'd. This app has to let you rep people. I owe so many of you reps
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    Quote Originally Posted by kokobeware2

    I LOL'd. This app has to let you rep people. I owe so many of you reps
    It really is kind of aggravating that you can't do that. So many people I need to neg.
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    Blah blah blah some big huge science words and what not.... Use Neogenix BodyForge its the bestest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrepNwa23 View Post
    Blah blah blah some big huge science words and what not.... Use PMS Black Liver its the bestest.
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    I don't know how many people here actually played ball. But here is something coming from someone who did.

    Stay away from the stims for a ball game. Jack3d, Craze, SuperStim v.9.5 (Yes I know it isnt real).. etc. Those are about the absolute worst thing you can do for yourself before a ball game. The concentration and timing required for putting the barrel on a ball will be completely thrown off with a strong psychoactive.

    I didn't care to read this thread because it looks like there is a break down. But OP, stay away from the powerful stims for a ball game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    And while we're at it, let's do our homework here, folks. The amount of theobromine contained in Ultra Reps is very low dosed. At this dose, the intent and effect was NOT stimulatory. It does, however, enable the user to breathe deeper and easier, which would be a very good affect for anyone who is looking to increase their performance in athletics of any sort. In addition to this, the main focus of Ultra Reps is to provide the endurance and duration to continue without the painful burn. Just like Carnobolic before it, Ultra Reps greatly fights muscle fatigue, enabling a runner to run longer, a football player to go harder, etc..

    Where I get confused with a Hemavol recommendation, as I would with any other supposed "extremely potent pump product" is the case where an athlete actually does get really "pumped" with use. I know that any time I have used a successful product of this sort, my muscles were engorged to the point where I was having difficulty getting a full range of motion. I'm not exactly sure why that would be so helpful in sports. If one is playing baseball, wouldn't a bicep pump inhibit the players ability to fully swing the bat, throwing their natural "aim" off a bit? Would a football player not be able to run quite as well? I see this product more in line for those who are at a gym doing a workout, not for someone in a sports setting. This is the sort of thing that you want in the gym in order to lift more, recover better, and grow. It's NOT what you want if you are looking to increase endurance and performance "on the field".

    Happy medium: Use Hemavol or something similar in your training. For the purpose of this thread, use Ultra Reps pre-game.
    A stimulant is still a stimulant regardless of it's use.

    Hemavol is just as much of an endurance product as it is a pump product. I am not debating which is better than the other or stim vs non-stim, but scientifically speaking, theobromine is a stimulant and will always be classified as such.
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    bump for answer
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast
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    Was there a question in here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Was there a question in here?
    I think that's why mommy and daddy were fighting in here.



    I got scared and covered my ears
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    I'd check out nimbus harmony

    Harmony is a NON Proprietary formula that consist of amino acids, vitamins and minerals which provide an overall feeling of wellbeing. Harmony delivers a calm, yet acute sense of awareness. Harmony also contains vitamins to help in the recovery and repair of your central nervous system so you can feel naturally better longer.




    You will not find another product with as little stims as this, that makes you feel the way Harmony does. Nimbus does not rely on heavy stims to give you that "feeling", instead we use proven ingredients that work in conjuction with eachother. This is one of the most responisble low stimmed products on the market. The versatility of this product is like no other. It can be taken in replacement of coffee, energy drinks, in a causual setting, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopstalking
    in a causual setting, etc.
    wow that's a relief! I'm always nervous about taking a supplement while I'm wearing sweats and flip flops in my front room.
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    Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    I remember this one time I thought was actually having a 3some, but it turns out I was alone the entire time. Most amazing day of my life.
    How much Craze did you take that DAY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by D2footballjrc View Post
    How much Craze did you take that DAY!
    It was about equal to the same amount of "douche" you took that day. =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnyPaz View Post
    Any suggestions as to what supplement to use (for focus and power)?

    Right now, I'm thinking Craze.

    Thanks!
    With me it was always Alleve or ibuprofen- I have had constant tendonitis in my pitching (right) arm since I was 16- every time my velocity would get over 90 mph, it would crop right back up....to the point now where I can't even throw a baseball/softball w/o pain

    RPM and Drive are great for focus and aggression
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    Did we ever come to a consensus on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    Did we ever come to a consensus on this?
    Good: Racetame's with a cholergenic.

    Bad: Legal speed (Ephedrine, Jack3d, Craze, etc).

    What is good for most, definitely not good for a concentration sport. Your bat will be swinging ahead of that ball every time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopstalking View Post
    I'd check out nimbus harmony

    Harmony is a NON Proprietary formula that consist of amino acids, vitamins and minerals which provide an overall feeling of wellbeing. Harmony delivers a calm, yet acute sense of awareness. Harmony also contains vitamins to help in the recovery and repair of your central nervous system so you can feel naturally better longer.




    You will not find another product with as little stims as this, that makes you feel the way Harmony does. Nimbus does not rely on heavy stims to give you that "feeling", instead we use proven ingredients that work in conjuction with eachother. This is one of the most responisble low stimmed products on the market. The versatility of this product is like no other. It can be taken in replacement of coffee, energy drinks, in a causual setting, etc.
    Nimbus Nutrition Harmony is a great option, however I found that our BodyGuard formula worked best for me when I was playing Semi-Pro Football. BodyGuard was stim free, and I agree with Vaughn that stim free is the way to go with sports.

    Hydration is huge with any sport, and BodyGuard will make sure your body stays hydrated during the game and keep you from suffering cramps, etc.

    BodyGuard consist of the following:
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    Mix 2 servings of this up in a water bottle and start sipping on it pre-game, as well as through the game. You will notice that your hydration is great, as well as you energy levels. This product really did wonders for me as I was playing in the trenches.
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    I'll reiterate that stims definitely have a place in baseball. Recall that this is a sport in which elevated heart rate is rarely if ever a factor.

    This is not to say that these other ergogens don't have a place, but I think you'd really be missing out on the boost of a mildly stimmed product. I've enjoyed Focus XT, White Flood, Fierce, Hemavol, etc on the baseball field. I was a starting pitcher and the mental boost from caffeine is anecdotally far more beneficial than anything else I've used.
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