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  1. Here is some more cool info on why adding Citrulline Malate is beneficial, courtesy of Mr. Cooper69

    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69

    1. Citrulline malate enhances athletic anaerobic performance and relieves muscle soreness.

    Pérez-Guisado J, Jakeman PM.


    Source

    Department of Medicine, University of Córdoba, Córdoba, Spain. [email protected]



    Abstract

    The purpose of the present study was to determine the effects of a single dose of citrulline malate (CM) on the performance of flat barbell bench presses as an anaerobic exercise and in terms of decreasing muscle soreness after exercise. Forty-one men performed 2 consecutive pectoral training session protocols (16 sets). The study was performed as a randomized, double-blind, 2-period crossover design. Eight grams of CM was used in 1 of the 2 training sessions, and a placebo was used in the other. The subjects' resistance was tested using the repetitions to fatigue test, at 80% of their predetermined 1 repetition maximum (RM), in the 8 sets of flat barbell bench presses during the pectoral training session (S1-4 and S1'-4'). The p-value was 0.05. The number of repetitions showed a significant increase from placebo treatment to CM treatment from the third set evaluated (p <0.0001). This increase was positively correlated with the number of sets, achieving 52.92% more repetitions and the 100% of response in the last set (S4'). A significant decrease of 40% in muscle soreness at 24 hours and 48 hours after the pectoral training session and a higher percentage response than 90% was achieved with CM supplementation. The only side effect reported was a feeling of stomach discomfort in 14.63% of the subjects. We conclude that the use of CM might be useful to increase athletic performance in high-intensity anaerobic exercises with short rest times and to relieve postexercise muscle soreness. Thus, athletes undergoing intensive preparation involving a high level of training or in competitive events might profit from CM.



    2. Citrulline/malate promotes aerobic energy production in human exercising muscle.

    Bendahan D, Mattei JP, Ghattas B, Confort-Gouny S, Le Guern ME, Cozzone PJ.


    Source

    Centre de Résonance Magnétique Biologique et Médicale, UMR CNRS 6612, Faculté de Médecine de la Timone, 27 Boulevard Jean Moulin, 13005 Marseille, France.


    Abstract

    BACKGROUND:

    Previous studies have shown an antiasthenic effect of citrulline/malate (CM) but the mechanism of action at the muscular level remains unknown.

    OBJECTIVE:

    To investigate the effects of CM supplementation on muscle energetics.

    METHODS:

    Eighteen men complaining of fatigue but with no documented disease were included in the study. A rest-exercise (finger flexions)-recovery protocol was performed twice before (D-7 and D0), three times during (D3, D8, D15), and once after (D22) 15 days of oral supplementation with 6 g/day CM. Metabolism of the flexor digitorum superficialis was analysed by (31)P magnetic resonance spectroscopy at 4.7 T.

    RESULTS:

    Metabolic variables measured twice before CM ingestion showed no differences, indicating good reproducibility of measurements and no learning effect from repeating the exercise protocol. CM ingestion resulted in a significant reduction in the sensation of fatigue, a 34% increase in the rate of oxidative ATP production during exercise, and a 20% increase in the rate of phosphocreatine recovery after exercise, indicating a larger contribution of oxidative ATP synthesis to energy production. Considering subjects individually and variables characterising aerobic function, extrema were measured after either eight or 15 days of treatment, indicating chronological heterogeneity of treatment induced changes. One way analysis of variance confirmed improved aerobic function, which may be the result of an enhanced malate supply activating ATP production from the tricarboxylic acid cycle through anaplerotic reactions.

    CONCLUSION:

    The changes in muscle metabolism produced by CM treatment indicate that CM may promote aerobic energy production.



    3. Citrulline malate supplementation increases muscle efficiency in rat skeletal muscle.

    Giannesini B, Le Fur Y, Cozzone PJ, Verleye M, Le Guern ME, Bendahan D.


    Source

    Centre de Résonance Magnétique Biologique et Médicale, UMR CNRS 6612 Université de la Méditerranée, Faculté de Médecine de Marseille, 27 Boulevard Jean Moulin, 13385 Marseille Cedex 5, France. [email protected]


    Abstract

    Citrulline malate (CM; CAS 54940-97-5, Stimol®) is known to limit the deleterious effect of asthenic state on muscle function, but its effect under healthy condition remains poorly documented. The aim of this longitudinal double-blind study was to investigate the effect of oral ingestion of CM on muscle mechanical performance and bioenergetics in normal rat. Gastrocnemius muscle function was investigated strictly non-invasively using nuclear magnetic resonance techniques. A standardized rest-stimulation- (5.7 min of repeated isometric contractions electrically induced by transcutaneous stimulation at a frequency of 3.3 Hz) recovery-protocol was performed twice, i.e., before (t(0)-24 h) and after (t(0)+48 h) CM (3 g/kg/day) or vehicle treatment. CM supplementation did not affect PCr/ATP ratio, [PCr], [Pi], [ATP] and intracellular pH at rest. During the stimulation period, it lead to a 23% enhancement of specific force production that was associated to significant decrease in both PCr (28%) and oxidative (32%) costs of contraction, but had no effect on the time-courses of phosphorylated compounds and intracellular pH. Furthermore, both the rate of PCr resynthesis during the post-stimulation period (VPCr(rec)) and the oxidative ATP synthesis capacity (Q(max)) remained unaffected by CM treatment. These data demonstrate that CM supplementation under healthy condition has an ergogenic effect associated to an improvement of muscular contraction efficiency.


    4. Effects of citrulline supplementation on fatigue and exercise performance in mice.

    Takeda K, Machida M, Kohara A, Omi N, Takemasa T.


    Source

    Graduate School of Comprehensive Human Sciences, University of Tsukuba, Tsukuba, Japan.


    Abstract

    During high-intensity exercise, the concentration of ammonia is augmented in skeletal muscle. Ammonia activates phosphofructokinase and prevents oxidation of pyruvate to acetyl CoA, thus leading to exhaustion. Citrulline is an amino acid component of the urea cycle in the liver, along with ornithine and arginine. The aim of this study was to examine the effect of citrulline supplementation on fatigue and performance during high-intensity exercise. We constructed a swimming exercise protocol, in which mice were subjected to exhaustive swimming with a load of 5% body weight, and measured the time until exhaustion, the blood levels of lactate and ammonia, and the glycogen content of the gastrocnemius and biceps femoris muscles. Citrulline supplementation significantly increased the swimming time until exhaustion. Exercise-induced blood ammonia elevation was repressed by citrulline supplementation, and exercise-induced blood lactate increment in the citrulline-supplemented group was significantly lower than that in the non-supplemented group. Citrulline supplementation may facilitate the detoxification of ammonia via the urea cycle and inhibit additional glycolysis. Our findings suggest that citrulline supplementation may be useful for improving the exercise performance of athletes.



    And finally, beyond performance enhancement and soreness reduction, CM's effects on nitric oxide production will certainly help in the bedroom:


    5. Oral L-citrulline supplementation improves erection hardness in men with mild erectile dysfunction.

    Cormio L, De Siati M, Lorusso F, Selvaggio O, Mirabella L, Sanguedolce F, Carrieri G.


    Source

    Department of Urology and Renal Transplantation, University of Foggia, Foggia, Italy. [email protected]


    Abstract

    OBJECTIVES:

    To test the efficacy and safety of oral L-citrulline supplementation in improving erection hardness in patients with mild erectile dysfunction (ED). L-arginine supplementation improves nitric oxide-mediated vasodilation and endothelial function; however, oral administration has been hampered by extensive presystemic metabolism. In contrast, L-citrulline escapes presystemic metabolism and is converted to L-arginine, thus setting the rationale for oral L-citrulline supplementation as a donor for the L-arginine/nitric oxide pathway of penile erection.

    METHODS:

    In the present single-blind study, men with mild ED (erection hardness score of 3) received a placebo for 1 month and L-citrulline, 1.5 g/d, for another month. The erection hardness score, number of intercourses per month, treatment satisfaction, and adverse events were recorded.

    RESULTS:

    A total of 24 patients, mean age 56.5 ± 9.8 years, were entered and concluded the study without adverse events. The improvement in the erection hardness score from 3 (mild ED) to 4 (normal erectile function) occurred in 2 (8.3%) of the 24 men when taking placebo and 12 (50%) of the 24 men when taking L-citrulline (P < .01). The mean number of intercourses per month increased from 1.37 ± 0.93 at baseline to 1.53 ± 1.00 at the end of the placebo phase (P = .57) and 2.3 ± 1.37 at the end of the treatment phase (P < .01). All patients reporting an erection hardness score improvement from 3 to 4 reported being very satisfied.

    CONCLUSIONS:

    Although less effective than phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, at least in the short term, L-citrulline supplementation has been proved to be safe and psychologically well accepted by patients. Its role as an alternative treatment for mild to moderate ED, particularly in patients with a psychologically fear of phosphodiesterase type-5 enzyme inhibitors, deserves further research.


    ^I'd say that is rather relevant given the amount of people in the BBing community who have issues with their sex life and "getting it up."
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM
    Guys...GUYS! Stop the arguing!
    *Makes big ass bowl of popcorn*
    OK...........continue.
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    Common bro why would u take d Bol just take plain steroids if ur gonna do it since first place
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    I dont want titties.... will that product work for a SERM?

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  5. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    mind = blown.


    You say one thing...then do the exact opposite in the same post.


    The reviews on Max Intense with or without HemaVol speak for themselves. Much easier to help promote product when people actually USE your product. Rough guys...I feel for you.
    You still never explained why you lied in your post.
    Instead, you went back to your usual junior-high bashing of another company/product.
    I'm Back...

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post
    You still never explained why you lied in your post.
    Instead, you went back to your usual junior-high bashing of another company/product.
    I'm sorry if I've missed a 9/10 review here and there...LOL I'll gladly ammend that post to "every review has been 9/10-10/10" hahaha you feel better?


    and then junior high bashing? What did I bash? I expressed the facts. There are stimulants in ultra reps formula. There is creatine, taurine, and beta alanine...all of which do nothing in an acute dosing setting...so they're useless before an athletic event.

    Please show me where I was incorrect.


    edit: Taurine can have acute dosing effects. I stand corrected. That being said, Taurine is $3.50/kg and can not be considered an "amazing" ingredient in this product.
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  7. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    I'm sorry if I've missed a 9/10 review here and there...LOL I'll gladly ammend that post to "every review has been 9/10-10/10" hahaha you feel better?


    and then junior high bashing? What did I bash? I expressed the facts. There are stimulants in ultra reps formula. There is creatine, taurine, and beta alanine...all of which do nothing in an acute dosing setting...so they're useless before an athletic event.

    Please show me where I was incorrect.

    "Much easier to help promote product when people actually USE your product. Rough guys...I feel for you."
    ^There is no other way to take that other than straight up bashing.


    As for your first statement... there were some 7's and 8's in there too. Don't get caught doing it again.
    I'm Back...

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Clickster View Post

    "Much easier to help promote product when people actually USE your product. Rough guys...I feel for you."
    ^There is no other way to take that other than straight up bashing.


    As for your first statement... there was some 7's and 8's in there too. Don't get caught doing it again.
    Did I bash your product with that statement? No...I stated a fact. Its not very easy to get logs or people to promote your product for you when there are extremely few people actually using your product.
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  9. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    The reviews on Max Intense with or without HemaVol speak for themselves. Much easier to help promote product when people actually USE your product. Rough guys...I feel for you.
    In no way was I comparing the two. Perhaps you need to reread the posts that were made and actually the entire thread in order to understand what is being asked here. A gentleman is looking for a pre-game supplement for baseball. This is NOT a call out for AX nor iForce. This is a general help thread. Rather than walking in and dropping a name, I chose to explain to the OP and others why something might be beneficial. And you are incorrect in your assumption that Ultra Reps is a stim-based product. There are many components out there that will not induce a stimulatory feeling at a certain dose but will at others. Case in point here is the theobromine in Ultra Reps. The dosing is negligible at best, and only there in minute amounts to get the touch of one desired effect. The dosing is NOT enough to be a stimulant. Period. If you disagree, I'll be glad to find the information and a few others who would be willing to add to the non-stim effects of a minute amount of theobromine.

    As for bringing up the past... Class act right there, Vaughn. Do I really need to tell folks about how you tried on numerous occasions to infiltrate the AX board to gain inside knowledge, even going to the point of approaching one of our contracted formulators for information? Does everyone really need to hear the long history that you have with many many many companies out here in forum land? I doubt it. Nobody wants to see what's behind the curtain. They just want the wizard to grant their wishes and go home.

    You attack my post, and you attack Clickster's, and yet he STILL pointed out a flaw in your little "we get perfect scores" routine. Just because a few users give you anecdotal evidence that something you gave them for free is bro-awesome does not mean that it is actually as good as it is marketed to be. Check the logz, bro is NOT scientific evidence that a product is effective!! It's merely a set of opinions, and everyone has 'em...just like another body part which some forum users here can identify with more than others. But if you want some science and not some bro-science, what sort of novel ingredients are you bringing to the table these days? Hmm? In fact, how is it that you even survived after the big raid a few years ago? Everyone is familiar with the fact that iForce had MANY more items on that list of infractions than AX did. Difference is, AX took that slap and grew with it. We learned the lessons, and in the process of reformulating EVERYTHING - business model included - we came out with a way to do it all in a manner that is 100% compliant, no questions to be asked, not even refuted. The products that are produced now are not just a shuffle of old ingredients or taking something popular from a competitor and reworking it to suit your market needs. That's the way you play, not AX. And as for the whole "rep game", please...

    Vaughn, we are all QUITE familiar with the way you operate on these boards. Jump in, say something big, and run away. Most times you don't even come back to a thread that you've done this in. Whether it be arrogance or just your pimp strategy, it's crappy customer service. We've seen your rep game and how you try to model your crew to push iForce. It's the same thing - jump in, downplay a product from a competitor with everything you can muster, including slanderous remarks, and then namedrop something from iForce and leave. Ya know what? In the long run, that doesn't work. You leave NO information for people about your products. You help extremely little when it comes to actual knowledge of said products or how to implement them. You offer nothing but petty little jabs and a canned list of quotes that serve your little purpose. Point is, your marketing strategy is transparent, wearing thin on people on every forum, and it sucks for the consumer. Push all you want... you are an antique.

    I will put my reps against yours any day of the week. No, this isn't about selling any da*n products! I don't give a lick what AX sells. This forum and these people are here for HELP. They don't always want to be told a name just so that they have something to look at. They want to know information, what's best for them, and if a rep or forum user is good enough, they'll take it to the next level and help them personally with absolutely EVERYTHING that they need. You can cater your bro-science to all the newbies all you want. There's always going to be someone out there who is attracted to something just because the name is put in front of them with neon lights. We all start out innocent, inexperienced, and relatively ignorant of this world. But when people mature and actually want information and help beyond a name drop, where are you going to be? What exactly are you going to do? I know, how about we drop a product name!! Great idea - and here's a perfect example for everyone to read: Phenibut`s effects on the heart?

    Cliffs, bra? Sure... Older gentleman with congestive heart failure is asking about the sides from Phenibut. And what is the help here?
    Quote Originally Posted by th3futur3 View Post
    True. I got nothing. Just buy iForce Hemavol. It will solve all your life problems. LOL!
    Yeah... Let's just slap that there Hemavol name everywhere we can, shall we? Seriously, get a handle on it. I don't know if you are going for google hits or what, but that example is not only a retardation of the thread but BAD ADVISE TO SOMEONE WITH A SERIOUS HEART CONDITION.

    Point of the matter is this. Push till you are blue in the face. It's fine. Sell a ton of products. I wish you well in doing so and hope that you get a nice kickback on all iForce forum sales. I'll be happy to sit back and watch all of the reviews come in and all of the excellent advice being given out. But soon enough, it'll be my turn to step in, and when I do, I and those like me will take it to the next level. We'll help that former iForce customer out with training advice, diet advice, and maybe even drop the name of a supplement or two if they are interested. It's about customer service and support, and that is what we do.
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Did I bash your product with that statement? No...I stated a fact. Its not very easy to get logs or people to promote your product for you when there are extremely few people actually using your product.
    One man's view, based on one forum, based on a recent giveaway. Just because we don't require folks to log a product that we give them does not mean that they are not using it. Do I run logs? No. Do you? No. Sure there are going to be a ton of logs if you give away 50 bottles of Hemavol to be reviewed/logged - it's a requirement. But if AX gives away a few HUNDRED bottles out of good faith and less than 50 logs show up, that in no way means that the products were not used and enjoyed. In the end, it is those who have used the products who come to their defense and promote them, NOT the AX team. We don't need to brag. The products speak for themselves.
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    In no way was I comparing the two. Perhaps you need to reread the posts that were made and actually the entire thread in order to understand what is being asked here. A gentleman is looking for a pre-game supplement for baseball. This is NOT a call out for AX nor iForce. This is a general help thread. Rather than walking in and dropping a name, I chose to explain to the OP and others why something might be beneficial. And you are incorrect in your assumption that Ultra Reps is a stim-based product.

    No...it contains theobromine which is a stim. This means the product contains stimulants. Is it a stim heavy product? Absolutely not, but the FACT here is that the product contains stimulants.

    There are many components out there that will not induce a stimulatory feeling at a certain dose but will at others. Case in point here is the theobromine in Ultra Reps. The dosing is negligible at best, and only there in minute amounts to get the touch of one desired effect. The dosing is NOT enough to be a stimulant. Period. If you disagree, I'll be glad to find the information and a few others who would be willing to add to the non-stim effects of a minute amount of theobromine.

    1mg of tribulus terrestris in a product makes that product contain tribulus terrestris. 1mg of theobromine makes that product contain a stimulant.

    As for bringing up the past... Class act right there, Vaughn.

    Again, this is a fact. You're sitting here telling us things as if we SHOULD trust you. Trust is built...and you guys just don't seem to understand that.

    Do I really need to tell folks about how you tried on numerous occasions to infiltrate the AX board to gain inside knowledge, even going to the point of approaching one of our contracted formulators for information? Does everyone really need to hear the long history that you have with many many many companies out here in forum land? I doubt it. Nobody wants to see what's behind the curtain. They just want the wizard to grant their wishes and go home.

    LOL this I would honestly love to hear. On the AX board? I think the last time I was there was when you guys were releasing 3-ad(aka 11oxo), and I was curious what you were releasing...because I wanted to buy some.

    And approaching one of your formulators? LOL what? Please, do tell.


    You attack my post, and you attack Clickster's, and yet he STILL pointed out a flaw in your little "we get perfect scores" routine. Just because a few users give you anecdotal evidence that something you gave them for free is bro-awesome does not mean that it is actually as good as it is marketed to be. Check the logz, bro is NOT scientific evidence that a product is effective!! It's merely a set of opinions, and everyone has 'em...just like another body part which some forum users here can identify with more than others. But if you want some science and not some bro-science, what sort of novel ingredients are you bringing to the table these days?

    lets see, to date iForce has released these novel compounds:

    1. dymethazine
    2. protodrol
    3. nmda/intimidate
    4. 7-methoxy flavone

    And we have another 2 novel ingredients being used in the new dexaprine(one of which will be in the upcoming Max Intense as well).



    But yes, I do believe we fall short of designer stimulants. I'll leave that to "other" companies.


    Hmm? In fact, how is it that you even survived after the big raid a few years ago? Everyone is familiar with the fact that iForce had MANY more items on that list of infractions than AX did. Difference is, AX took that slap and grew with it. We learned the lessons, and in the process of reformulating EVERYTHING - business model included - we came out with a way to do it all in a manner that is 100% compliant, no questions to be asked, not even refuted. The products that are produced now are not just a shuffle of old ingredients or taking something popular from a competitor and reworking it to suit your market needs. That's the way you play, not AX. And as for the whole "rep game", please...

    So is that why iForce had a 125k fine from the FDA and AX had a 500k fine?

    Also, take a look at our "offenses"...we put steronz in our steronz. Each of our labels stated EXACTLY what was in the product. What did you guys get in trouble for again?


    Its funny...iForce is more than 2x as big now as we were when the raids happened, yet you're curious how we've survived? LOL iForce is more popular now than ever, and for good reason. We make damn effective products.

    Vaughn, we are all QUITE familiar with the way you operate on these boards. Jump in, say something big, and run away. Most times you don't even come back to a thread that you've done this in. Whether it be arrogance or just your pimp strategy, it's crappy customer service. We've seen your rep game and how you try to model your crew to push iForce. It's the same thing - jump in, downplay a product from a competitor with everything you can muster, including slanderous remarks, and then namedrop something from iForce and leave. Ya know what? In the long run, that doesn't work. You leave NO information for people about your products. You help extremely little when it comes to actual knowledge of said products or how to implement them. You offer nothing but petty little jabs and a canned list of quotes that serve your little purpose. Point is, your marketing strategy is transparent, wearing thin on people on every forum, and it sucks for the consumer. Push all you want... you are an antique.

    I don't understand...what would I run from?

    If you think Ultra Reps is the end all be all, please post some science proving it. I'm more than happy to be educated, and admit I'm wrong.


    I will put my reps against yours any day of the week. No, this isn't about selling any da*n products! I don't give a lick what AX sells. This forum and these people are here for HELP. They don't always want to be told a name just so that they have something to look at. They want to know information, what's best for them, and if a rep or forum user is good enough, they'll take it to the next level and help them personally with absolutely EVERYTHING that they need. You can cater your bro-science to all the newbies all you want. There's always going to be someone out there who is attracted to something just because the name is put in front of them with neon lights. We all start out innocent, inexperienced, and relatively ignorant of this world. But when people mature and actually want information and help beyond a name drop, where are you going to be? What exactly are you going to do? I know, how about we drop a product name!! Great idea - and here's a perfect example for everyone to read: Phenibut`s effects on the heart?

    Cliffs, bra? Sure... Older gentleman with congestive heart failure is asking about the sides from Phenibut. And what is the help here?


    Yeah... Let's just slap that there Hemavol name everywhere we can, shall we? Seriously, get a handle on it. I don't know if you are going for google hits or what, but that example is not only a retardation of the thread but BAD ADVISE TO SOMEONE WITH A SERIOUS HEART CONDITION.

    You seemed to have missed my post in that thread

    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    i agree that simply pushing the product in that way was not the best idea. Nik can get very excited at times which makes him a great guy, but information like this isn't the best to give out.

    OP - as others have stated, get with a doctor. With a heart condition such as yours, I would use supplements EXTREMELY infrequently.
    I stated publicly then that the way he answered that question was incorrect, and spoke to him about it. Not sure what else I can do...




    wow strong 2 page rant. My thoughts in red for ya
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  12. I could go back and forth for days with you and you know it. Tit for tat, push and shove. Instead, I'm taking the high road and backing out. This is NOT how I do business and is certainly NOT how I help people.



    To the OP of this thread - don't buy anything from either Athletic Xtreme or iForce. If I were you, I'd go with something from PES, SNS, or another company. Perhaps look for a rep in this thread who was not involved in this latest politico war. In fact, I urge you to buy from them just based on the way their representatives have tried to assist you rather than point the fingers of blame.

    To everyone else who has made valid suggestions in this thread, I apologize for my posts to Vaughn. I will not delete them, but I will exit this thread. I have other people to help today. If you need me, feel free to PM or email. Thanks.
    -RecoverBro Zombie Specialist and Paracord Wrangler
    -Independent due to lies that hurt my family. Loyal to myself and my Bro's.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by T-AD View Post
    I could go back and forth for days with you and you know it. Tit for tat, push and shove. Instead, I'm taking the high road and backing out. This is NOT how I do business and is certainly NOT how I help people.



    To the OP of this thread - don't buy anything from either Athletic Xtreme or iForce. If I were you, I'd go with something from PES, SNS, or another company. Perhaps look for a rep in this thread who was not involved in this latest politico war. In fact, I urge you to buy from them just based on the way their representatives have tried to assist you rather than point the fingers of blame.

    To everyone else who has made valid suggestions in this thread, I apologize for my posts to Vaughn. I will not delete them, but I will exit this thread. I have other people to help today. If you need me, feel free to PM or email. Thanks.
    so after telling me im a bad person for supposedly doing this exact same thing(going into a thread, making a big stink, and then leaving), you're doing the exact same thing?

    does not compute.
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  14. Quote Originally Posted by VaughnTrue View Post
    Did I bash your product with that statement? No...I stated a fact. Its not very easy to get logs or people to promote your product for you when there are extremely few people actually using your product.

    Vaughn, can you clear your PM's. Been trying to PM you for awhile.

  15. And on a side note if we're talking "specifically" about a PWO that is effective prior to athletic/sporting events...Craze all day everyday. I've used it in the past prior to sparring, basketball, 5k's, 8k's and fasted H.I.I.T runs. M-Intense is very good in that regard as well. However, I'd rank it right behind Craze for these type of events. In a gym setting (traditional lifiting), M-Intense is excellent.

  16. Is there a sub forum here where guys can post questions and look for unbiased suggestions? There should be lol.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    Vaughn, can you clear your PM's. Been trying to PM you for awhile.

    Cleared
    Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Representative Manager

  18. This wouldn't be pre supplement use persay but I'd think stuff like CoQ10, ALA, EPA, DHA, Niacin, Red Rice Yeast, Green Tea, B-vits, and etc would all be beneficial. Give you some cardio protection and allow you to play at your fullest.

    Also all this stress in this topic isn't good for anyone's heart and hormones. We all just need to take a step back, deep breath, and continue on. End goals is the same for everyone here. To be the best they can be! The supplement industries and it's reps should be more like brothers than enemies on the battlefield. Sure we can have spats and break the couch wrestling but in the end we all have common goals and it's much easier to support each other. Just my 2 cents!

    Just for the record, I've used both products and I like things about both of them. I think everyone should just mix ultra reps, hemavol, ultima, and toss in some more agmatine and walk around hulking it up. Maybe throw in some p-bol for fun. We can call it ultra-ulti-bol-hematine.
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  19. What he said...oh and Craze.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by southpaw23 View Post
    What he said...oh and Craze.
    Okay then.. ultra-ulti-crazbol-hematine then ;-)
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by D2footballjrc View Post
    Okay then.. ultra-ulti-crazbol-hematine then ;-)
    Exactly...but mostly Craze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    There's room on my lap
    Room for one more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM View Post
    Is there a sub forum here where guys can post questions and look for unbiased suggestions? There should be lol.
    Actually, there is:

    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ten-milas.html
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  24. This thread has me confused. So, I should take Superdrol before or after my baseball game?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by FL3X MAGNUM

    There's room on my lap
    My wish came true!
    Quote Originally Posted by Level9Germ View Post
    Common bro why would u take d Bol just take plain steroids if ur gonna do it since first place
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_SEALs View Post
    I dont want titties.... will that product work for a SERM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpmartyr View Post
    This thread has me confused. So, I should take Superdrol before or after my baseball game?
    I prefer 10-20mg before each at bat. My liver starts to hurt a little bit if we go extra innings.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    Room for one more?
    Back off!!! I already claimed it! Get your own fu(king lap!
    Quote Originally Posted by Level9Germ View Post
    Common bro why would u take d Bol just take plain steroids if ur gonna do it since first place
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_SEALs View Post
    I dont want titties.... will that product work for a SERM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by demolition View Post
    Back off!!! I already claimed it! Get your own fu(king lap!
    But...but...


    ...you have a lap, don't ya...?
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    But...but...

    ...you have a lap, don't ya...?
    I was just kidding! Come here you!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Level9Germ View Post
    Common bro why would u take d Bol just take plain steroids if ur gonna do it since first place
    Quote Originally Posted by Son_Of_SEALs View Post
    I dont want titties.... will that product work for a SERM?

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