Best GDA for High Glycemic Carbohydrates

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    I heard Orange Triad is good. Take 6.. not 3.. not 9.. but 6 a day and you're good
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  2. Everything Mr.Cooper69 has said has been accurate.
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  3. Amen bro

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Agreed on all counts with respect to GDAs. In my first post, I even noted that he shouldn't be using one for the purpose that he was seeking. I am advocating Na-R-ALA for overall health purposes, NOT body composition. I'm only getting into this discussion because people thought they may be unfavorable​ for body composition.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    you would treat glycobol like real insulin taking first thing in morning with a high carb and protein meal(low fat), and post workout

    4 hours after each dose you would make sure carbs are low, then when four hours are up you can eat fat meals. That is why I don't like the insulin or using glycobol in place of it and just like to use it how I want to use it. If you want to be strict though, you would treat two caps to 10uis of insulin and follow the four hour very low to no fat guideline but that is a bit too strict for me at this point in my life so when i do use glycobol I do not follow that protocol to a T
    I don't think you realize it improves insulin sensitivity and thus reduces net insulin release and all the associated feedback loops that insulin acts on.
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  5. ^^^


    Na-R-ALA does not act like insulin.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    I don't think you realize it improves insulin sensitivity and thus reduces net insulin release and all the associated feedback loops that insulin acts on.
    what the hell does this mean?!!!

    I'm lost at this point, so should I use it for body recomp or not? Would it assist at all in fat loss? I understand that it sends glucose to both fat and muscle cells through glut4 but would an increase if insulin sensitivity be a bad thing? My first run around with it I had success but I was also using erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    what the hell does this mean?!!!

    I'm lost at this point, so should I use it for body recomp or not? Would it assist at all in fat loss? I understand that it sends glucose to both fat and muscle cells through glut4 but would an increase if insulin sensitivity be a bad thing? My first run around with it I had success but I was also using erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime.
    Simple, use it. If you like it's effects well then there you go. It's something you should be using regardless of your reasoning. So if you use it under the guise of body recomp then so be it.
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  9. Save your money and stick with these - THAT'S where your success came from

    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    but I was also using erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Save your money and stick with these - THAT'S where your success came from
    I'll take it a step further...

    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    an insane workout regime.
    THAT'S where your success came from

  11. ?? Why use a product that is essentially a waste of time AND could potentially cause fat gain if used inappropriately? He just stated that he got successful results from a combination of this PLUS erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime. LOL

    Erase, a-YO defintely work! GDA's? Not so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Simple use it. If you like it's effects well then there you go. It's something you should be using regardless of your reasoning. So if you use it under the guise of body recomp then so be it.
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  12. Every stack should have Na-R-ALA imo for anti-ox purposes. Just get some Geronova and be done with it.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    ?? Why use a product that is essentially a waste of time AND could potentially cause fat gain if used inappropriately? He just stated that he got successful results from a combination of this PLUS erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime. LOL

    Erase, a-YO defintely work! GDA's? Not so much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Powercage View Post
    Every stack should have Na-R-ALA imo for anti-ox purposes. Just get some Geronova and be done with it.
    This is why.
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  14. gawd dammit i bought two bottles, you win this time supplement companies.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    gawd dammit i bought two bottles, you win this time supplement companies.
    Two bottles of what?

  16. glycobol, have been using one so far in my recomp. I'm not used to eating massive amounts of carbs so it (at least in my head) makes me feel like I'm utilizing them.
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  17. If he's looking for a decent anti-oxidant (with some detoxifying benefits via glutathione) then cool.

    According to his posts, he is interested in the GDA attributes of Na-r-Ala for which I say "dont waste your time".

    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    This is why.
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    glycobol, have been using one so far in my recomp. I'm not used to eating massive amounts of carbs so it (at least in my head) makes me feel like I'm utilizing them.
    In the future, look into Geronova bio-enhanced Na-R-ALA. Nutraplanet licenses their powder from Geronova and it's a killer deal.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    In the future, look into Geronova bio-enhanced Na-R-ALA. Nutraplanet licenses their powder from Geronova and it's a killer deal.
    thanks one last question would it be beneficial to use a GDA prior to cardio as it gets all glycogen out of the blood? inducing oxidation of fat when coupled with say something along the lines of alpha yohimbe or simply coffee?

    might as well get something out of this purchase
    "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates

  20. I take GDA on occasion on my carb ups. They seem to help me to not be so tired and dizzy after loading up on carbs. I usually get tired after eating carbs. Well after a certain amount is ingested anyway. When taking these types of products though I'm able to eat more carbs without feeling like that. So...I'm not going with one side or the other on this I'm just telling you how I feel and what they do to me.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    thanks one last question would it be beneficial to use a GDA prior to cardio as it gets all glycogen out of the blood? inducing oxidation of fat when coupled with say something along the lines of alpha yohimbe or simply coffee?

    might as well get something out of this purchase
    You should be taking Na-R-ALA first thing in the morning anyway (note the 17-22 hour half-life).

  22. yeah i already take it prior to breakfast 70g of oatmeal, 50g of protein, I have difficulty shoving down food in the morning. I just mean as a GDP prior to workout to intensify the fat oxidation if coupled with LIIS or the tabatha protocol. Thanks to everyone by the way for sharing knowledge.
    "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates

  23. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    yeah i already take it prior to breakfast 70g of oatmeal, 50g of protein, I have difficulty shoving down food in the morning. I just mean as a GDP prior to workout to intensify the fat oxidation if coupled with LIIS or the tabatha protocol. Thanks to everyone by the way for sharing knowledge.
    Again, note the half-life. The effects are not limited to a small window. Stick to 0.2mg/kg BW in yohimbine pre-cardio (fasted).

  24. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Again, note the half-life. The effects are not limited to a small window. Stick to 0.2mg/kg BW in yohimbine pre-cardio (fasted).
    Awesome thanks.
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I take GDA on occasion on my carb ups. They seem to help me to not be so tired and dizzy after loading up on carbs. I usually get tired after eating carbs. Well after a certain amount is ingested anyway. When taking these types of products though I'm able to eat more carbs without feeling like that. So...I'm not going with one side or the other on this I'm just telling you how I feel and what they do to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    There's an abuandance of "proof" that these exotic insulin mimetics/GDA's work to clear the nutrients from the blood more rapidly or efficiently. Heck, even vinegar does this.

    There are also studies that reflect either improved glucose tolerance or increased insulin sensitvity.

    Insulin moves glucose out of the blood by increasing the presence of a glucose transporter (GLUT4) on the surface of MANY different cells (FAT CELLS included!) as do these GDA's

    That said.......As expressed in my post above, the problem is that I have yet to see ONE compelling study that validates all these bogus claims that you can eat above your daily k/cal amount [or carb threshold (since we all metabolize/assimilate carbs differently)] + pop a few GDA caps and BOOM - no fat gain because magically, somehow, these OTC supplement companies have figured out a way to get carbs into the muscles as opposed to fat while Big Pharma hasn't. LOL

    GDA's did the same for me; assisted with post-carb malaise/lethargy. At times, they even made me hypo! I thought, wow, what a potent valuable weapon discovered for my long-life plight against carb-related fat gain.

    Then, as I began to put on weight in my fat sensitive areas (fat cells), I started to research the process by which these work and discovered the above.....and consequently, gave them up.

    These products are falsely pimped as guilt-free carb binge products (rolling eyes in disgust). Like a sucker, I fell for them too.

    As an aside, I don't know why products like Phaseolamin have fallen out of favor as these are MUCH more beneficial for our low carb crowd for potentially cab-laden damaging binges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaseolamin

    You know the drill, for us carb-sensitive folks; accept our dietary or lifestyle induced or gentically programmed weaknesses and deal with it appropriately.....stick with PPAR ligands (alpha + beta/delta) that have proven to be insulin-sensitizers of the muscles and somewhat inhibitory in the fat cells, low glycemic index carbs to control the insulin spike, cycle your carbs and when needed ingest protein or fiber (some argue fats are fine) alongside your cabrs to further delay gastric empying/post-prandial spikes.
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