Best GDA for High Glycemic Carbohydrates

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  1. ?? Why use a product that is essentially a waste of time AND could potentially cause fat gain if used inappropriately? He just stated that he got successful results from a combination of this PLUS erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime. LOL

    Erase, a-YO defintely work! GDA's? Not so much.

    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    Simple use it. If you like it's effects well then there you go. It's something you should be using regardless of your reasoning. So if you use it under the guise of body recomp then so be it.
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  2. Every stack should have Na-R-ALA imo for anti-ox purposes. Just get some Geronova and be done with it.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    ?? Why use a product that is essentially a waste of time AND could potentially cause fat gain if used inappropriately? He just stated that he got successful results from a combination of this PLUS erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime. LOL

    Erase, a-YO defintely work! GDA's? Not so much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Powercage View Post
    Every stack should have Na-R-ALA imo for anti-ox purposes. Just get some Geronova and be done with it.
    This is why.
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  4. gawd dammit i bought two bottles, you win this time supplement companies.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    gawd dammit i bought two bottles, you win this time supplement companies.
    Two bottles of what?

  6. glycobol, have been using one so far in my recomp. I'm not used to eating massive amounts of carbs so it (at least in my head) makes me feel like I'm utilizing them.
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  7. If he's looking for a decent anti-oxidant (with some detoxifying benefits via glutathione) then cool.

    According to his posts, he is interested in the GDA attributes of Na-r-Ala for which I say "dont waste your time".

    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    This is why.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    glycobol, have been using one so far in my recomp. I'm not used to eating massive amounts of carbs so it (at least in my head) makes me feel like I'm utilizing them.
    In the future, look into Geronova bio-enhanced Na-R-ALA. Nutraplanet licenses their powder from Geronova and it's a killer deal.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    In the future, look into Geronova bio-enhanced Na-R-ALA. Nutraplanet licenses their powder from Geronova and it's a killer deal.
    thanks one last question would it be beneficial to use a GDA prior to cardio as it gets all glycogen out of the blood? inducing oxidation of fat when coupled with say something along the lines of alpha yohimbe or simply coffee?

    might as well get something out of this purchase
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  10. I take GDA on occasion on my carb ups. They seem to help me to not be so tired and dizzy after loading up on carbs. I usually get tired after eating carbs. Well after a certain amount is ingested anyway. When taking these types of products though I'm able to eat more carbs without feeling like that. So...I'm not going with one side or the other on this I'm just telling you how I feel and what they do to me.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    thanks one last question would it be beneficial to use a GDA prior to cardio as it gets all glycogen out of the blood? inducing oxidation of fat when coupled with say something along the lines of alpha yohimbe or simply coffee?

    might as well get something out of this purchase
    You should be taking Na-R-ALA first thing in the morning anyway (note the 17-22 hour half-life).

  12. yeah i already take it prior to breakfast 70g of oatmeal, 50g of protein, I have difficulty shoving down food in the morning. I just mean as a GDP prior to workout to intensify the fat oxidation if coupled with LIIS or the tabatha protocol. Thanks to everyone by the way for sharing knowledge.
    "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training...what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable." - Socrates

  13. Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    yeah i already take it prior to breakfast 70g of oatmeal, 50g of protein, I have difficulty shoving down food in the morning. I just mean as a GDP prior to workout to intensify the fat oxidation if coupled with LIIS or the tabatha protocol. Thanks to everyone by the way for sharing knowledge.
    Again, note the half-life. The effects are not limited to a small window. Stick to 0.2mg/kg BW in yohimbine pre-cardio (fasted).

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Again, note the half-life. The effects are not limited to a small window. Stick to 0.2mg/kg BW in yohimbine pre-cardio (fasted).
    Awesome thanks.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I take GDA on occasion on my carb ups. They seem to help me to not be so tired and dizzy after loading up on carbs. I usually get tired after eating carbs. Well after a certain amount is ingested anyway. When taking these types of products though I'm able to eat more carbs without feeling like that. So...I'm not going with one side or the other on this I'm just telling you how I feel and what they do to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    There's an abuandance of "proof" that these exotic insulin mimetics/GDA's work to clear the nutrients from the blood more rapidly or efficiently. Heck, even vinegar does this.

    There are also studies that reflect either improved glucose tolerance or increased insulin sensitvity.

    Insulin moves glucose out of the blood by increasing the presence of a glucose transporter (GLUT4) on the surface of MANY different cells (FAT CELLS included!) as do these GDA's

    That said.......As expressed in my post above, the problem is that I have yet to see ONE compelling study that validates all these bogus claims that you can eat above your daily k/cal amount [or carb threshold (since we all metabolize/assimilate carbs differently)] + pop a few GDA caps and BOOM - no fat gain because magically, somehow, these OTC supplement companies have figured out a way to get carbs into the muscles as opposed to fat while Big Pharma hasn't. LOL

    GDA's did the same for me; assisted with post-carb malaise/lethargy. At times, they even made me hypo! I thought, wow, what a potent valuable weapon discovered for my long-life plight against carb-related fat gain.

    Then, as I began to put on weight in my fat sensitive areas (fat cells), I started to research the process by which these work and discovered the above.....and consequently, gave them up.

    These products are falsely pimped as guilt-free carb binge products (rolling eyes in disgust). Like a sucker, I fell for them too.

    As an aside, I don't know why products like Phaseolamin have fallen out of favor as these are MUCH more beneficial for our low carb crowd for potentially cab-laden damaging binges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaseolamin

    You know the drill, for us carb-sensitive folks; accept our dietary or lifestyle induced or gentically programmed weaknesses and deal with it appropriately.....stick with PPAR ligands (alpha + beta/delta) that have proven to be insulin-sensitizers of the muscles and somewhat inhibitory in the fat cells, low glycemic index carbs to control the insulin spike, cycle your carbs and when needed ingest protein or fiber (some argue fats are fine) alongside your cabrs to further delay gastric empying/post-prandial spikes.
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  16. Not sure if you guys have seen it, but there's a Hall of Fame thread on gda's stickied over at md. Definitely worth the time it takes to read the while thing.
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  17. How about some cribb notes?
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    How about some cribb notes?
    The thread began discussing the different GDA's and their functions very similar to this one. Then "Tipsta" came into the conversation saying he's vigorously tested all GDA's on himself using a glucometer and found chromium POLYNICOTATE and vanadyl sulfate to work the best at keeping blood sugar low, mimicking insulin, shuttling glycogen into the muscles and even helping type 2 diabetics get off their meds. As the thread went on over months people began to use a glucometer themselves, both using the VS/CP combo and not using anything prior to a wide range of carb meals... ALL finding remarkable results in glucose disposal using VS/CP.

    Now, I myself have used VS/CP on and off over the years and have also found it work as Tipsta described. I have even done glucometer tests myself for 2 weeks. 1 week no GDA's and the next week VS/CP before all carb meals. Both weeks had the exact same meals at the exact same times of day.

    For example my first meal of a day would be 5 eggs / 5.2 oz. baked potato. Without GDA's it would send my blood sugar from a resting state of 75, to about 120, 15 minutes PP. (I tested myself immediately prior to the meal, immediately after, 15 minutes pp, 30 minutes pp, and 45 minutes pp, finding 15 minuted to usually be the peak.

    Now, using 10mg Vanadyl Sulfate and 200mg Chromium Polynicotate immediately before a meal of 5 eggs / 5.2 oz. baked potato my levels went from 75 only to reach a height of 90, 15 minutes PP. Pretty remarkable if you ask me. And I saw these results the whole week I used VS/CP.

    You don't even need a glucometer, although I recommend it. If I ate a 5.2 oz baked potato with meal 1 and meal 2... soon after I would begin to see myself get a "Watery" look as the day goes on, especially if I continue with higher GI carbs, even in small-mediocre portions.
    The days I took VS/CP and ate the exact same higher gi meals, that "Watery" look NEVER CAME! I looked VERY dry.

    Now the big question is where do these GDA's actually dispose the glucose to? I do remember seeing some studies reporting VS to trigger Glut-4 in muscle. I myself notice slightly less of a pump when using VS. However I can tell you that the glucose WAS NOT disposed in fat cells. I used this combo years back before I even tested it with a blood glucometer and go my leanest AND strongest.

    The only other GDA I can account for is Anabolic Pump, which is one of my all time favorite supplements. I do notice intense pumps using it and much more glycogen in the muscles.

    Tipsta's theory was that insulin prefers fat storage when blood glucose levels go over around 150, depending on the person. And prefer muscle at a lower level. I don't know if this is the case, but it does seem there may be something to it.

  19. Thanks for the info CLEM

    I recall YEARS ago vanadyl sulfate and vanadium (forget which form was superior) was all the rage. So typical for the old school "proven" supps to get kicked to the curb for newer "better" sexier supps (rolling eyes).

    Similarly, when Chromium Picolinate became popular (80's/90's), soon thereafter, the polynicotinate version was discovered to be vastly superior. Again, not sure why the fall off or lack or appeal these days on supps that have stood the test of time.

    PS: Recompadrol has vanadium in it for those who still love their GDAs. While I still think there may be a place for these, Im just not sure exactly where or what the most efficasious application would be since we still don't know the end result/destination of the glucose/storage.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks for the info CLEM

    I recall YEARS ago vanadyl sulfate and vanadium (forget which form was superior) was all the rage. So typical for the old school "proven" supps to get kicked to the curb for newer "better" sexier supps (rolling eyes).

    Similarly, when Chromium Picolinate became popular (80's/90's), soon thereafter, the polynicotinate version was discovered to be vastly superior. Again, not sure why the fall off or lack or appeal these days on supps that have stood the test of time.

    PS: Recompadrol has vanadium in it for those who still love their GDAs. While I still think there may be a place for these, Im just not sure exactly where or what the most efficasious application would be since we still don't know the end result/destination of the glucose/storage.
    And I think you're right, glucose destination is the end result. That's why I really enjoy AP. The data shows activation of GLUT-4 in muscle, and most importantly I can feel it!! Yes I've actually put on muscle and lost fat while using AP. Did I really just say I put on muscle and lost fat at the same time? The only problem for me is it's pricey to use year-round so I use it in the summer.

    To each his own though. Some people see ZERO results from AP. Some people I know, like Tipsta see a huge increase in muscle glycogen when using VS. I think everyone needs to try each GDA out for themselves. Use a glucometer and see how it's really effecting you and look in the mirror. Use each GDA for a whole week, the next week use a different GDA but the exact same meals and meal frequency.

    I've never use Na-R-ALA but I do know it is a fantastic antioxidant and if not GDA purposes it should be used for overall general health at the least.

  21. Glad to hear you found a product that works for you.

    At the end of the day, that's ALL that matters.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    And I think you're right, glucose destination is the end result. That's why I really enjoy AP. The data shows activation of GLUT-4 in muscle, and most importantly I can feel it!! Yes I've actually put on muscle and lost fat while using AP. Did I really just say I put on muscle and lost fat at the same time? The only problem for me is it's pricey to use year-round so I use it in the summer....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks for the info CLEM

    I recall YEARS ago vanadyl sulfate and vanadium (forget which form was superior) was all the rage. So typical for the old school "proven" supps to get kicked to the curb for newer "better" sexier supps (rolling eyes).

    Similarly, when Chromium Picolinate became popular (80's/90's), soon thereafter, the polynicotinate version was discovered to be vastly superior. Again, not sure why the fall off or lack or appeal these days on supps that have stood the test of time.

    PS: Recompadrol has vanadium in it for those who still love their GDAs. While I still think there may be a place for these, Im just not sure exactly where or what the most efficasious application would be since we still don't know the end result/destination of the glucose/storage.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    PM me your address, if you are interested. I'll make sure you get at least a bottle of Anabolic Pump within the next couple of weeks. Thank you for the support and for spreading the good word!
    Very generous. Much appreciated!


  25. Great find Whacked! VS is definitely beneficial in helping those with blood sugar/insulin issues. I believe it can help prevent diabetes long term. Anything that controls blood sugar and helps insulin do it's job properly can.

    Think about the negative effects of high blood sugar, out of whack insulin and their effects on aging. We see more and more studies coming out that high fat diets and even high levels of dietary cholesterol are not the culprit in heart disease, obesity and overall metablic syndrom (INSULIN RESISTANCE!!). What can cause insulin resistance? High blood sugar! In keeping blood sugar low whether it be through a low carb, low gi diet, or the use of GDA's, you are ultimately keeping your insulin function normal and preventing many of the degenerating diseases that come later in life.

  26. This is why the glycermic index is important and when I hear people say "As Long As It Fit's Your Macros" I go absolutely crazy!! The more I play around with my carb intake and watch how certain carbs and amounts effect my body, the more I understand how effective the GI index really is and how it's not just calories in vs. calories out. At least not with me.

    If I have a 100g carb meal from baked potato that elevates my blood sugar to 160 mg/dl and I have a 100g carb meal from oats that elevates my blood sugar to 120 mg/dl, it does not matter that I had 100g carbs, what matters is that the baked potato skyrocketted my blood sugar to 160mg/dl and the oats kept it lower at a reasonable 120 mg/dl.

    In fact, the oats will leave me dryer looking and give me a better pump in the gym while the potato would make me look watery without the same pump. Go figure, same amount of carbs, different blood glucose results, different look to my body and results in the gym.

    Again, there is no cookie cutter layout that works the same for everybody. But this is how my body responds.

    It's similar to complete and incomplete proteins. You can eat 50g of protein from an incomplete source like beans. And you can eat 50g of protein from a complete source like red meat high in amino acids and get two completely different results. One anabolic and one not, even though you ate the same amount of protein.

  27. Both posts.......SPOT ON brutha
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  28. Great thread guys!!!

  29. I to have had the same experience using AP as described and evidenced in its write-up. It has been for me the best GDA for a recomp. I'm currently on recompradrol, whilst good it just isn't doing what AP did even with its plethora of ingredients. I'm going back to AP in a couple weeks with MMv3 to lean up for the summer. This combination hardened me up beautifully.

    I have read some research in an article prepared by Derek Charlebois which talked about how Na-Rala when taken with exercise does preferentially dispose the glucose into the muscle cells. Something to do with the inflammation caused by training...I can't remember the details, but if anyone is interested the article is on bodybuilding.com.

  30. Derek charlebois has great knowledge on this subject. I'm not sure if you've ever looked at his Cut Diet and the others he wrote up with scivation. All based around keeping blood sugar low. Most effective diet I've ever followed.
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