Best GDA for High Glycemic Carbohydrates

[John Smeton]

Sigh.

There is no evidence that a GDA preferentially shuttles nutrients to muscle. Exercise, however, does. (parapraph 1)

Na-R-ALA does not act like insulin. (paragraph 2)

Na-R-ALA is not 10-30x more potent than R-ALA. Not even close. (paragraph 3).

do you have studies because I have glucometer tests and studies

I see no evidence of your comments -why dont you dig up studies and prove them

[John Smeton]

its all good ,MrCooper, we all have differing views

I started taking ast's r-ala postworkout in 2004 and gained nicely full and puimped, was 230lbs natural meaning never touched a hormone, not lean, not fat. hell stronger than I am now and I take otc hormones maybe once every year-I just cant go heavy like I did due to joints are not like they were

now a days take na-r-ala and love the stuff and truley beleive it works nicely for me for anti-oxidants and fuller muscles. (and most of all health benefits)

[mr.cooper69]

do you have studies because I have glucometer tests and studies

I see no evidence of your comments -why dont you dig up studies and prove them

Both myself and my friend have written research reviews on Na-R-ALA. I have plenty of sources, but unfortunately, not plenty of energy .

One thing that we cannot dispute is that Na-R-ALA is a great ingredient that people should be using if the funds are present.

[Tomahawk88]

Don't use GDAs postworkout IMO. Muscle insulin sensitivity is already exactly where you want it to be. IF you so choose to use a GDA, agmatine + Na-R-ALA would be best.

Well right now I am trying to lose some fat, but I dont want to deprive my muscles of carbs. So I am doing the Intermittent Fasting. When it comes time to eat I tear through some carbs. Post workout I had 16oz of chocolate milk, a small apple, equivalent of a cup of uncook Jasmine rice, a banana, and an 8 oz cup of blackberries. That was in a little less than a 3 hour feeding window.

Glycobol which contains NA-R_ALA and some other nice insulin mimetics



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I have a place in mind. In fact I had SlinShot in mind, but the store I buy from doesnt carry it.

its all good ,MrCooper, we all have differing views

I started taking ast's r-ala postworkout in 2004 and gained nicely full and puimped, was 230lbs natural meaning never touched a hormone, not lean, not fat. hell stronger than I am now and I take otc hormones maybe once every year-I just cant go heavy like I did due to joints are not like they were

now a days take na-r-ala and love the stuff and truley beleive it works nicely for me for anti-oxidants and fuller muscles. (and most of all health benefits)

It looks like this will be next on my list. Found some NeedtoSlin I can use till I stock up. It "has" the na-r-ala you all agree is a great option.

Both myself and my friend have written research reviews on Na-R-ALA. I have plenty of sources, but unfortunately, not plenty of energy .

One thing that we cannot dispute is that Na-R-ALA is a great ingredient that people should be using if the funds are present.

Funds are not too big of an issue right now. I should be able to fit it in my cart. Just a matter of deciding what is more pressing this month.

[strategicmove]

well I have different research than yourself

try life extension magazine 2007 summer issue where there a study showing na-r-ala is 10-30 x's more potenet than r-ala

Thumbs up, John!

[Geoforce]

do you have studies because I have glucometer tests and studies

I see no evidence of your comments -why dont you dig up studies and prove them

What are the glucometer tests proving though? You haven't really disproved any of Cooper's points (which are similar to mine). Specifically the number 1, that GDA's shuttle nutrients to muscle especially in regards to postworkout.

The "potency" type issue I could really care less about. But with all due respect I don't think you've shown anything yet that says a GDA post workout is a great option. Not trying to flame, just looking for discussion.

[sam805]

regardless of you guys agreeing to disagree, this is great info and conversation on gda's. thanks guys this where we all learn something. Im thinking one could add na rala to dats no carb pwo protocol with out insulin? this maybe more effective than the protocol with out insulin and only a little less effective than the protocol with insulin. Thoughts?

[John Smeton]

One thing that we cannot dispute is that Na-R-ALA is a great ingredient that people should be using if the funds are present.

I am glad we agree on something. Potent anti-oxidant and overlooked in my opinion

the reason I stopped using it pre contest was I thought it may have been hindering fat loss due to it acting similar to insulin

[mr.cooper69]

I am glad we agree on something. Potent anti-oxidant and overlooked in my opinion

the reason I stopped using it pre contest was I thought it may have been hindering fat loss due to it acting similar to insulin

It won't. Improved insulin sensitivity = less insulin output. Insulin is far more powerful at doing it's job (fat storage included) than Na-R-ALA. So in essence, it may actually aid fat loss unless you are slamming Na-R-ALA in the complete absence of carbs but with a high fat meal.

[Tomahawk88]

I dont normally start threads(except logs), but with the responses I got I am glad I did.

[mr.cooper69]

I dont normally start threads(except logs), but with the responses I got I am glad I did.

Amazing post to avi correlation.

[Tomahawk88]

Amazing post to avi correlation.

Haha I didnt even think of that when I wrote it. I can not take credit for it. Heretostudy made it for one of my many logs.

[Whacked]

I concur.

Drives me nuts to see all the BS claims stating that glucose AUTOMATICALLY preferentially ''favors" muscle cells verses fat cells.

The hype can be blamed (as usual) on the supplement companies makig false/misleading claims.

In an exercised state, perhaps (depends on other factors as well!). Otherwise, who the heck knows that you arent siimply clearing it out of the blood and into FAT CELLS!

A glucometer would NOT discern the difference! Everyone wants an insulin mimetic these days but......do people forget that Insulin "can" make you fat. Know how? By shuttling carbs into FAT CELLS for storage (same thing a GDA "can" do)!

There is no evidence that a GDA preferentially shuttles nutrients to muscle. Exercise, however, does. ).

[Whacked]

I hate to split hairs here but where is the proof that the increased insulin sensitivty is exclusively in the muslce cells vs adipose tissue?

It won't. Improved insulin sensitivity = less insulin output. Insulin is far more powerful at doing it's job (fat storage included) than Na-R-ALA. So in essence, it may actually aid fat loss unless you are slamming Na-R-ALA in the complete absence of carbs but with a high fat meal.

[T-Bone]

I concur.

Drives me nuts to see all the BS claims stating that glucose AUTOMATICALLY preferentially ''favors" muscle cells verses fat cells.

The hype can be blamed (as usual) on the supplement companies makig false/misleading claims.

In an exercised state, perhaps (depends on other factors as well!). Otherwise, who the heck knows that you arent siimply clearing it out of the blood and into FAT CELLS!

A glucometer would NOT discern the difference! Everyone wants an insulin mimetic these days but......do people forget that Insulin "can" make you fat. Know how? By shuttling carbs into FAT CELLS for storage (same thing a GDA "can" do)!

Great Post Whacked!. Agree!

[rob112]

Awesome discussion.

Everyone says "proof" about nutrient shuttling compounds, but can we see proof it doesn't?

No wise ass or whatever. GDA's are very interesting, yet they seem to be in some what of an "infancy" as far as healthy adults goes.

[mr.cooper69]

I concur.

Drives me nuts to see all the BS claims stating that glucose AUTOMATICALLY preferentially ''favors" muscle cells verses fat cells.

The hype can be blamed (as usual) on the supplement companies makig false/misleading claims.

In an exercised state, perhaps (depends on other factors as well!). Otherwise, who the heck knows that you arent siimply clearing it out of the blood and into FAT CELLS!

A glucometer would NOT discern the difference! Everyone wants an insulin mimetic these days but......do people forget that Insulin "can" make you fat. Know how? By shuttling carbs into FAT CELLS for storage (same thing a GDA "can" do)!

I hate to split hairs here but where is the proof that the increased insulin sensitivty is exclusively in the muslce cells vs adipose tissue?

There isn't proof. I said the exact same thing in an earlier post. The point is that reducing insulin output in the presence of carbs can be favorable for fat loss. Which is why I said you should only take it when insulin would otherwise by high. If you take it with, say, a pure fat meal, you aren't doing yourself any favors. This is all theory of course.

[John Smeton]

It won't. Improved insulin sensitivity = less insulin output. Insulin is far more powerful at doing it's job (fat storage included) than Na-R-ALA. So in essence, it may actually aid fat loss unless you are slamming Na-R-ALA in the complete absence of carbs but with a high fat meal.

with insulin even a little bit of dietary fat is stored as fat. that is why people who take insulin, if they are well studied, take low fat as possible, meaning zero fat or close to it , four hours afterwards,, or it gets stored as body fat. That is why many top amateurs and pros use it only in the off-season and not before a show.

carbohydratess it gobbles them up and stores them into the muscle. That said, you cant take 500 carbs in one meal. 10ius of insulin= about 75 carbs. two glycobols done on the glucometer test=about 10ius

[mr.cooper69]

with insulin even a little bit of dietary fat is stored as fat. that is why people who take insulin, if they are well studied, take low fat as possible, meaning zero fat or close to it , four hours afterwards,, or it gets stored as body fat. That is why many top amateurs and pros use it only in the off-season and not before a show.

carbohydratess it gobbles them up and stores them into the muscle. That said, you cant take 500 carbs in one meal. 10ius of insulin= about 75 carbs. two glycobols done on the glucometer test=about 10ius

Not sure of relevance to my post

[John Smeton]

A person could take 500 carbs in one meal during the offseason, yet some of it would be stored as fat; provided a person used insulin.