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    Quick question, I have been using glycobol during my cut, essentially cycling carbs. Now I feel like an idiot as I am probably just raising my bodyfat %.

    So my question is, when would it be best to take glycobol in the hopes of cutting bodyfat%?

    that and if you have any input on the coupling of glycobol with freeze dried mango/ alpha yohimbe to prevent fat cells from growing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Not sure of relevance to my post


    you were saying carbs get stored as fat, if one knows what they are doing with insulin and the correct iu to carb ratio, not so much. Fat grams are what cause the fat storage with insulin. did you know that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    you were saying carbs get stored as fat, if one knows what they are doing with insulin and the correct iu to carb ratio, not so much. Fat grams are what cause the fat storage with insulin. did you know that?
    I don't know why you are trying to dispute me. You are echoing exactly what I just said. That you should take the Na-R-ALA with carb-laden meals to minimize fat gain, and you should not take it with fat. Did I know that? Come on now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    Quick question, I have been using glycobol during my cut, essentially cycling carbs. Now I feel like an idiot as I am probably just raising my bodyfat %.

    So my question is, when would it be best to take glycobol in the hopes of cutting bodyfat%?

    that and if you have any input on the coupling of glycobol with freeze dried mango/ alpha yohimbe to prevent fat cells from growing.

    http://www.ergo-log.com/mangoreducefat.html
    you would treat glycobol like real insulin taking first thing in morning with a high carb and protein meal(low fat), and post workout

    4 hours after each dose you would make sure carbs are low, then when four hours are up you can eat fat meals. That is why I don't like the insulin or using glycobol in place of it and just like to use it how I want to use it. If you want to be strict though, you would treat two caps to 10uis of insulin and follow the four hour very low to no fat guideline but that is a bit too strict for me at this point in my life so when i do use glycobol I do not follow that protocol to a T
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    you would treat glycobol like real insulin taking first thing in morning with a high carb and protein meal(low fat), and post workout

    4 hours after each dose you would make sure carbs are low, then when four hours are up you can eat fat meals. That is why I don't like the insulin or using glycobol in place of it and just like to use it how I want to use it. If you want to be strict though, you would treat two caps to 10uis of insulin and follow the four hour very low to no fat guideline but that is a bit too strict for me at this point in my life.
    Na-R-ALA has a half-life exceeding 17 hours, not 4.

    You're looking into this way too far. If your fat intake isn't over the top, the glucosal disposal benefits are not going to hinder fat loss. It's your call of course .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powercage View Post
    What multi should I take guys
    I heard Orange Triad is good. Take 6.. not 3.. not 9.. but 6 a day and you're good
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    There's an abuandance of "proof" that these exotic insulin mimetics/GDA's work to clear the nutrients from the blood more rapidly or efficiently. Heck, even vinegar does this.

    There are also studies that reflect either improved glucose tolerance or increased insulin sensitvity.

    Insulin moves glucose out of the blood by increasing the presence of a glucose transporter (GLUT4) on the surface of MANY different cells (FAT CELLS included!)

    That said.......As expressed in my post above, the problem is that I have yet to see ONE compelling study that validates all these bogus claims that you can eat above your daily k/cal amount [or carb threshold (since we all metabolize/assimilate carbs differently)] + pop a few GDA caps and BOOM - no fat gain because magically, somehow, these OTC supplement companies have figured out a way to get carbs into the muscles as opposed to fat while Big Pharma hasn't. LOL

    On that note: Anyone hear of the Diabetes medication Avandia (THE mack daddy Insulin Sensitizer)? Read about how effective this stuff shuttles glucose out of the blood. THEN, read about WHERE IT GOES! lolol A strong argument could be made that you're better off with your Diabetes than to take this garbage. Sure, lower your post-prandial glucose readings and blow up your waistline AND damage your heart too. I'll pass.

    Cycle your carbs, ditch the simple sugars, favor low glycemic index carbs to avoid the scary boogey man insulin spikes all the GDAs are allegedly supposed to assist with.

    As an aside, since we are always discussing PPAR's for fat loss on this board- Avandia is a PPARγ(gamma) agonist. This is the one PPAR that you want to antagonize (for fat loss, etc) and NOT agonize. I think CLA is an antagonist but the results were always hit or miss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    you would treat glycobol like real insulin taking first thing in morning with a high carb and protein meal(low fat), and post workout

    4 hours after each dose you would make sure carbs are low, then when four hours are up you can eat fat meals. That is why I don't like the insulin or using glycobol in place of it and just like to use it how I want to use it. If you want to be strict though, you would treat two caps to 10uis of insulin and follow the four hour very low to no fat guideline but that is a bit too strict for me at this point in my life so when i do use glycobol I do not follow that protocol to a T
    thanks much appreciated, can't wait for the supplement that modulates GLUT4 and prevents fat cell build up haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    There's an abuandance of "proof" that these exotic insulin mimetics/GDA's work to clear the nutrients from the blood more rapidly or efficiently. Heck, even vinegar does this.

    There are also studies that reflect either improved glucose tolerance or increased insulin sensitvity.

    Insulin moves glucose out of the blood by increasing the presence of a glucose transporter (GLUT4) on the surface of MANY different cells (FAT CELLS included!)

    As expressed above, the problem is that have yet to see ONE compelling study that validates all these bogus claims that you can eat above your daily k/cal amount [or carb threshold (since we all metabolize/assimilate carbs differently)] + pop a few GDA caps and BOOM - no fat gain because magically, somehow, these OTC supplements have figufred out a way to get carbs into the muscles as opposed to fat while Big Pharma hasnt. LOL

    Anyone hear of the Diabetes medication Avandia (THE mack daddy Insulin Sensitizer)? Read about how effective this stuff shuttles glucose out fo the blood. THEN, read about WHERE IT GOES! lolol You're better off with Diabetes Type II than to take this garbage. Sure, lower your post-prandial glucose readiongs and blow up your waitline AND damage your heart too. I'll pass.

    Cycle your carbs, ditch the simple sugars, favor low glycemic index carbs to avoid the scary boogey man insulin spikes all the GDAs are allegedly supposed to assist with.

    As an aside, since we are always discussing PPAR's for fat loss on this board- Avandia is a PPARγ(gamma) agonist. This is the one PPAR that you want to antagonize (for fat loss, etc). I think CLA is one. Not sure.
    Agreed on all counts with respect to GDAs. In my first post, I even noted that he shouldn't be using one for the purpose that he was seeking. I am advocating Na-R-ALA for overall health purposes, NOT body composition. I'm only getting into this discussion because people thought they may be unfavorable​ for body composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    I heard Orange Triad is good. Take 6.. not 3.. not 9.. but 6 a day and you're good
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    Everything Mr.Cooper69 has said has been accurate.
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    Amen bro

    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    Agreed on all counts with respect to GDAs. In my first post, I even noted that he shouldn't be using one for the purpose that he was seeking. I am advocating Na-R-ALA for overall health purposes, NOT body composition. I'm only getting into this discussion because people thought they may be unfavorable​ for body composition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Smeton View Post
    you would treat glycobol like real insulin taking first thing in morning with a high carb and protein meal(low fat), and post workout

    4 hours after each dose you would make sure carbs are low, then when four hours are up you can eat fat meals. That is why I don't like the insulin or using glycobol in place of it and just like to use it how I want to use it. If you want to be strict though, you would treat two caps to 10uis of insulin and follow the four hour very low to no fat guideline but that is a bit too strict for me at this point in my life so when i do use glycobol I do not follow that protocol to a T
    I don't think you realize it improves insulin sensitivity and thus reduces net insulin release and all the associated feedback loops that insulin acts on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PuZo View Post
    I don't think you realize it improves insulin sensitivity and thus reduces net insulin release and all the associated feedback loops that insulin acts on.
    what the hell does this mean?!!!

    I'm lost at this point, so should I use it for body recomp or not? Would it assist at all in fat loss? I understand that it sends glucose to both fat and muscle cells through glut4 but would an increase if insulin sensitivity be a bad thing? My first run around with it I had success but I was also using erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    what the hell does this mean?!!!

    I'm lost at this point, so should I use it for body recomp or not? Would it assist at all in fat loss? I understand that it sends glucose to both fat and muscle cells through glut4 but would an increase if insulin sensitivity be a bad thing? My first run around with it I had success but I was also using erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime.
    Simple, use it. If you like it's effects well then there you go. It's something you should be using regardless of your reasoning. So if you use it under the guise of body recomp then so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Save your money and stick with these - THAT'S where your success came from
    I'll take it a step further...

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    an insane workout regime.
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    ?? Why use a product that is essentially a waste of time AND could potentially cause fat gain if used inappropriately? He just stated that he got successful results from a combination of this PLUS erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime. LOL

    Erase, a-YO defintely work! GDA's? Not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    ?? Why use a product that is essentially a waste of time AND could potentially cause fat gain if used inappropriately? He just stated that he got successful results from a combination of this PLUS erase/alpha yohimbe/ec and an insane workout regime. LOL

    Erase, a-YO defintely work! GDA's? Not so much.
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    gawd dammit i bought two bottles, you win this time supplement companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    gawd dammit i bought two bottles, you win this time supplement companies.
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    glycobol, have been using one so far in my recomp. I'm not used to eating massive amounts of carbs so it (at least in my head) makes me feel like I'm utilizing them.
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    If he's looking for a decent anti-oxidant (with some detoxifying benefits via glutathione) then cool.

    According to his posts, he is interested in the GDA attributes of Na-r-Ala for which I say "dont waste your time".

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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    glycobol, have been using one so far in my recomp. I'm not used to eating massive amounts of carbs so it (at least in my head) makes me feel like I'm utilizing them.
    In the future, look into Geronova bio-enhanced Na-R-ALA. Nutraplanet licenses their powder from Geronova and it's a killer deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69 View Post
    In the future, look into Geronova bio-enhanced Na-R-ALA. Nutraplanet licenses their powder from Geronova and it's a killer deal.
    thanks one last question would it be beneficial to use a GDA prior to cardio as it gets all glycogen out of the blood? inducing oxidation of fat when coupled with say something along the lines of alpha yohimbe or simply coffee?

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    I take GDA on occasion on my carb ups. They seem to help me to not be so tired and dizzy after loading up on carbs. I usually get tired after eating carbs. Well after a certain amount is ingested anyway. When taking these types of products though I'm able to eat more carbs without feeling like that. So...I'm not going with one side or the other on this I'm just telling you how I feel and what they do to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    thanks one last question would it be beneficial to use a GDA prior to cardio as it gets all glycogen out of the blood? inducing oxidation of fat when coupled with say something along the lines of alpha yohimbe or simply coffee?

    might as well get something out of this purchase
    You should be taking Na-R-ALA first thing in the morning anyway (note the 17-22 hour half-life).
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    yeah i already take it prior to breakfast 70g of oatmeal, 50g of protein, I have difficulty shoving down food in the morning. I just mean as a GDP prior to workout to intensify the fat oxidation if coupled with LIIS or the tabatha protocol. Thanks to everyone by the way for sharing knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oogaly_boogal View Post
    yeah i already take it prior to breakfast 70g of oatmeal, 50g of protein, I have difficulty shoving down food in the morning. I just mean as a GDP prior to workout to intensify the fat oxidation if coupled with LIIS or the tabatha protocol. Thanks to everyone by the way for sharing knowledge.
    Again, note the half-life. The effects are not limited to a small window. Stick to 0.2mg/kg BW in yohimbine pre-cardio (fasted).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.cooper69

    Again, note the half-life. The effects are not limited to a small window. Stick to 0.2mg/kg BW in yohimbine pre-cardio (fasted).
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I take GDA on occasion on my carb ups. They seem to help me to not be so tired and dizzy after loading up on carbs. I usually get tired after eating carbs. Well after a certain amount is ingested anyway. When taking these types of products though I'm able to eat more carbs without feeling like that. So...I'm not going with one side or the other on this I'm just telling you how I feel and what they do to me.
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    There's an abuandance of "proof" that these exotic insulin mimetics/GDA's work to clear the nutrients from the blood more rapidly or efficiently. Heck, even vinegar does this.

    There are also studies that reflect either improved glucose tolerance or increased insulin sensitvity.

    Insulin moves glucose out of the blood by increasing the presence of a glucose transporter (GLUT4) on the surface of MANY different cells (FAT CELLS included!) as do these GDA's

    That said.......As expressed in my post above, the problem is that I have yet to see ONE compelling study that validates all these bogus claims that you can eat above your daily k/cal amount [or carb threshold (since we all metabolize/assimilate carbs differently)] + pop a few GDA caps and BOOM - no fat gain because magically, somehow, these OTC supplement companies have figured out a way to get carbs into the muscles as opposed to fat while Big Pharma hasn't. LOL

    GDA's did the same for me; assisted with post-carb malaise/lethargy. At times, they even made me hypo! I thought, wow, what a potent valuable weapon discovered for my long-life plight against carb-related fat gain.

    Then, as I began to put on weight in my fat sensitive areas (fat cells), I started to research the process by which these work and discovered the above.....and consequently, gave them up.

    These products are falsely pimped as guilt-free carb binge products (rolling eyes in disgust). Like a sucker, I fell for them too.

    As an aside, I don't know why products like Phaseolamin have fallen out of favor as these are MUCH more beneficial for our low carb crowd for potentially cab-laden damaging binges. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaseolamin

    You know the drill, for us carb-sensitive folks; accept our dietary or lifestyle induced or gentically programmed weaknesses and deal with it appropriately.....stick with PPAR ligands (alpha + beta/delta) that have proven to be insulin-sensitizers of the muscles and somewhat inhibitory in the fat cells, low glycemic index carbs to control the insulin spike, cycle your carbs and when needed ingest protein or fiber (some argue fats are fine) alongside your cabrs to further delay gastric empying/post-prandial spikes.
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    Not sure if you guys have seen it, but there's a Hall of Fame thread on gda's stickied over at md. Definitely worth the time it takes to read the while thing.
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    How about some cribb notes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    How about some cribb notes?
    The thread began discussing the different GDA's and their functions very similar to this one. Then "Tipsta" came into the conversation saying he's vigorously tested all GDA's on himself using a glucometer and found chromium POLYNICOTATE and vanadyl sulfate to work the best at keeping blood sugar low, mimicking insulin, shuttling glycogen into the muscles and even helping type 2 diabetics get off their meds. As the thread went on over months people began to use a glucometer themselves, both using the VS/CP combo and not using anything prior to a wide range of carb meals... ALL finding remarkable results in glucose disposal using VS/CP.

    Now, I myself have used VS/CP on and off over the years and have also found it work as Tipsta described. I have even done glucometer tests myself for 2 weeks. 1 week no GDA's and the next week VS/CP before all carb meals. Both weeks had the exact same meals at the exact same times of day.

    For example my first meal of a day would be 5 eggs / 5.2 oz. baked potato. Without GDA's it would send my blood sugar from a resting state of 75, to about 120, 15 minutes PP. (I tested myself immediately prior to the meal, immediately after, 15 minutes pp, 30 minutes pp, and 45 minutes pp, finding 15 minuted to usually be the peak.

    Now, using 10mg Vanadyl Sulfate and 200mg Chromium Polynicotate immediately before a meal of 5 eggs / 5.2 oz. baked potato my levels went from 75 only to reach a height of 90, 15 minutes PP. Pretty remarkable if you ask me. And I saw these results the whole week I used VS/CP.

    You don't even need a glucometer, although I recommend it. If I ate a 5.2 oz baked potato with meal 1 and meal 2... soon after I would begin to see myself get a "Watery" look as the day goes on, especially if I continue with higher GI carbs, even in small-mediocre portions.
    The days I took VS/CP and ate the exact same higher gi meals, that "Watery" look NEVER CAME! I looked VERY dry.

    Now the big question is where do these GDA's actually dispose the glucose to? I do remember seeing some studies reporting VS to trigger Glut-4 in muscle. I myself notice slightly less of a pump when using VS. However I can tell you that the glucose WAS NOT disposed in fat cells. I used this combo years back before I even tested it with a blood glucometer and go my leanest AND strongest.

    The only other GDA I can account for is Anabolic Pump, which is one of my all time favorite supplements. I do notice intense pumps using it and much more glycogen in the muscles.

    Tipsta's theory was that insulin prefers fat storage when blood glucose levels go over around 150, depending on the person. And prefer muscle at a lower level. I don't know if this is the case, but it does seem there may be something to it.
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    Thanks for the info CLEM

    I recall YEARS ago vanadyl sulfate and vanadium (forget which form was superior) was all the rage. So typical for the old school "proven" supps to get kicked to the curb for newer "better" sexier supps (rolling eyes).

    Similarly, when Chromium Picolinate became popular (80's/90's), soon thereafter, the polynicotinate version was discovered to be vastly superior. Again, not sure why the fall off or lack or appeal these days on supps that have stood the test of time.

    PS: Recompadrol has vanadium in it for those who still love their GDAs. While I still think there may be a place for these, Im just not sure exactly where or what the most efficasious application would be since we still don't know the end result/destination of the glucose/storage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks for the info CLEM

    I recall YEARS ago vanadyl sulfate and vanadium (forget which form was superior) was all the rage. So typical for the old school "proven" supps to get kicked to the curb for newer "better" sexier supps (rolling eyes).

    Similarly, when Chromium Picolinate became popular (80's/90's), soon thereafter, the polynicotinate version was discovered to be vastly superior. Again, not sure why the fall off or lack or appeal these days on supps that have stood the test of time.

    PS: Recompadrol has vanadium in it for those who still love their GDAs. While I still think there may be a place for these, Im just not sure exactly where or what the most efficasious application would be since we still don't know the end result/destination of the glucose/storage.
    And I think you're right, glucose destination is the end result. That's why I really enjoy AP. The data shows activation of GLUT-4 in muscle, and most importantly I can feel it!! Yes I've actually put on muscle and lost fat while using AP. Did I really just say I put on muscle and lost fat at the same time? The only problem for me is it's pricey to use year-round so I use it in the summer.

    To each his own though. Some people see ZERO results from AP. Some people I know, like Tipsta see a huge increase in muscle glycogen when using VS. I think everyone needs to try each GDA out for themselves. Use a glucometer and see how it's really effecting you and look in the mirror. Use each GDA for a whole week, the next week use a different GDA but the exact same meals and meal frequency.

    I've never use Na-R-ALA but I do know it is a fantastic antioxidant and if not GDA purposes it should be used for overall general health at the least.
  

  
 

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