** AutoKal Nutrient Partitioners Deathmatch **

[AutoKal47]

You knew this was coming


With the only purpose of reporting my personal
experience - on the same line of my previous and hopefully
useful preworkouts deathmatch thread - here's my take
and reviews on the GDAs I've used, 3 of the most popular GDA products out there:

Slin Sane, Recompadrol and Glycobol

Tadaaaaa!
First thing first, why these three: because I extensively used them
all and I've been experimenting with dose, timing, meals,
and their interaction with other sups (as well as their effects when running them
as standalone) long enough to have a clear idea on how they work *for me*.


I'm a big fan of GDAs/Nutrient Partitioners
is a kind of product that intrigues me probably more
than any other, the reason is - as many of you already know -
my protocol is very odd and the way I use GDAs and what I get
from them is different from how bodybuilders use them.
Incorporating a GDA when in a all-year-round low carb diet
could sound weird, or not worth it and yet, I am convinced - and most important
I got proof - that the right product used in the right way is as beneficial
in a low carb diet as well as during a bulk, if not more.


Quick recap on my habits:
I keep my BF low all year round while aiming for lean gains and strength
increase, I stay in a fairly big cal deficit 6 days a week while training *hard*
at the same time and I do one refeed a week.
This wasn't planned, it happened after time, you cut, you get leaner,
then your body adapts to a certain amount of cals, you need to cut
more in order to get rid of that last % of fat, you need to train harder etc..


So keeping the same diet and the same routine for too long won't work,
after you reached a certain BF I found out that you need to trick your body in order to
A) cut even more fat (or preserving such low %)
B) keep muscle mass and/or gain more while doing that
C) not dying


When you stress your body like I do with intense (AND high volume as well)
training WHILE dieting for such long time most likely your metabolism
slows down, in the end, human body's priority is to survive, not to be a pile of
muscles with 4-5% BF.. So from a certain point fat loss and even more
lean gains start to be not as fast and easy in this scenario.


But the use of GDAs made me understand that they could play key
role when manipulating body composition and speed up lean gains.
Being able to boost calories without storing fat was the key for me
not only to keep muscles without raising BF but as you will read,
but to actually pack more muscle, lean gains style.


Alrite, stage set, hopefully this will be useful for you guys,
I'll get to the details about the products in the next posts,
meantime, keep me company here and subscribe

[mattrag]

Lol on c.
I'll keep ya company on the log here.

[AutoKal47]

Lol on c.
I'll keep ya company on the log here.

Thank you bro

[3clipseGT]

Im in bro!

[FL3X MAGNUM]

Bud! I am loving all these showdowns
In.

[AutoKal47]

Im in bro!

Bud! I am loving all these showdowns
In.

Hell yes welcome guys

[halfhuman]

Im in bro!

[sidoious]

Glycobol is awesome! Better than Slin-Sane IMO. Haven't tried Recompadrol but have heard good things from various users.

[ssbackwards]

Im in

[lboston]

Interested and in!

[jwa254]

in for this. gonna be an awesome ride

[AaronJP1]

I'll be down for this because I really like glycobol and I've used slin-sane, but I think I prefer glycobol.

Interested in your thoughts.

[MattPorter]

Are these all unique products or typical over-lap of the same ingredients..gymnema, banaba, bitter melon, na,ala etc.....

Im curious as metformin kills my appetite.

-Matt

[EasyEJL]

I've kept meaning to try the same, using a bunch of them and a glucose meter.

[houstontexas]

In to see your conclusions. Right now I'm using AI ALA. I tried Glycobol a few days way back when, but it killed my stomach.

[halfhuman]

Glycobol seemed to be my fav. Never tried it on a bulk or high carb diet. Mostly 100 per day tops. Worked great

[Whacked]

In.......good luck buddy

[Blergs]

whats in this?
i love need2slin myself

[MidwestBeast]

I'm in. Good idea, man!

I've used a TON of GDAs over the last few years, but I actually still haven't used Recompadrol or Glycobol.

I've used Anabolic Pump, P-Slin, LG Slin, Need2Slin, Slin Shot and Slin Sane.

Interested to hear/see what you think.

[JudgementDay]

In for this.

[AutoKal47]

Im in bro!

Glycobol is awesome! Better than Slin-Sane IMO. Haven't tried Recompadrol but have heard good things from various users.

Im in

Interested and in!

in for this. gonna be an awesome ride

I'll be down for this because I really like glycobol and I've used slin-sane, but I think I prefer glycobol.

Interested in your thoughts.

I've kept meaning to try the same, using a bunch of them and a glucose meter.

In to see your conclusions. Right now I'm using AI ALA. I tried Glycobol a few days way back when, but it killed my stomach.

In.......good luck buddy

whats in this?
i love need2slin myself

I'm in. Good idea, man!

I've used a TON of GDAs over the last few years, but I actually still haven't used Recompadrol or Glycobol.

I've used Anabolic Pump, P-Slin, LG Slin, Need2Slin, Slin Shot and Slin Sane.

Interested to hear/see what you think.

Very happy to see this one so populated with friends, welcome guys

Are these all unique products or typical over-lap of the same ingredients..gymnema, banaba, bitter melon, na,ala etc.....

Im curious as metformin kills my appetite.

-Matt

Matt, this is the interesting thing about these three and mostly the reason
I did experiment with them to find the best for me and what would be the best use
for it in my protocol: they all have different ingredients/profiles, supposedly
meant to do the same things thru different pathways.
But of course there are differences. You'll see

[Whacked]

Not to get too OT but I have to wonder if a guy like you who is uber-disciplined with BOTH dieting and training AND one who exercises regularly in fasted states...would benefot MORE from a product that imparts cortisol modulating to some degree.

Zero carbs + dietary fat along with all the other stressors (named above), I imagine your cortisol levels "might be" thru the roof.:

LeanFX from DS has done wonders for me from a recomp stand point and Im a low carber too.

You OBVIOUSLY look fantastic so this is merely a suggestion to a fellow bro


Good luck man

When you stress your body like I do with intense (AND high volume as well)
training WHILE dieting for such long time most likely your metabolism
slows down, in the end, human body's priority is to survive, not to be a pile of
muscles with 4-5% BF.. So from a certain point fat loss and even more
lean gains start to be not as fast and easy in this scenario.

[Ajerone]

Heard great things about recompadrol, and have used both slin sane and glycobol with great success. I had a lot of gi distress with glycobol but liked the results. also a tad bit pricey for my taste, but i had gotten them on sale. Excited to see how this progresses!

[AutoKal47]

Not to get too OT but I have to wonder if a guy like you who is uber-disciplined with BOTH dieting and training AND one who exercises regularly in fasted states...would benefot MORE from a product that imparts cortisol modulating to some degree.

Zero carbs + dietary fat along with all the other stressors (named above), I imagine your cortisol levels "might be" thru the roof.:

LeanFX from DS has done wonders for me from a recomp stand point and Im a low carber too.

You OBVIOUSLY look fantastic so this is merely a suggestion to a fellow bro


Good luck man

Thanks bro

You are 100% right, absolutely. As a matter of fact Lean Xtreme IS one of my staples,
you can read several posts I made in here where I point LX as one of the best and most effective
supplements I used and still use.
Not only as a fat burner (the only one I use to date) but exactly for what you're describing,
cortisol levels when you're in a strict as I am, for this long and at the same time you train
with such high volume AND high intensity is your worse enemy.

LX is a great product, I ran it once every other month, regularly at 2cps a day,
I've been doing it for at least the past year and a half

[Whacked]

Smart move

[JudoJosh]

Are you going to be using a glucometer?

[AutoKal47]

Are you going to be using a glucometer?

Right now I use one of them as my staple, but this thread is a report
of the past months experiences and experiments and most important
noticeable results on body comp and also how they worked on refeeds.
So nope

[counterspy]

Curious about your observations.

[houstontexas]

When can we expect your breakdown my good man? I'd also like to hear your thoughts on regular ALA in this regard if you have any to provide.

[AutoKal47]

When can we expect your breakdown my good man? I'd also like to hear your thoughts on regular ALA in this regard if you have any to provide.

I tend to be detailed in my reviews and I'll take few days to write down
about them all. I've never used regular ALA but I used Na-Rala, I can report about that as well, no prob

[TheDarkHalf]

definitely following; might have to try this myself in the future. What's your dosing protocol going to look like?

[houstontexas]

Thanks man

[AaronJP1]

Yeah this is going to be good. Def with slin & glycobol both in my cabinet now.

[MattPorter]

In for this -- Glycobol has struck my interest and I will be using one of these myself to ----- to regain some insulin sensitivity.

-Matt

[itzDodge]

Interdasting, you've clearly got great consistency with your diet and training so a qualitative review would be fine by me

[MAxximal]

Mormordica Chirantia Extract (20-25% Charantin) + Recompadrol= VERY STRONG COMBO is like Metformin but without the runs to the bathroom
USPlabs P-Slin= simply amazing stuff

[AutoKal47]

OK let's start with...

Glycobol

Product profile:
Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 120

2 Servings Provide:
Na-R-ALA 250mg
Glycobol Complex TM 750mg
Trigonella Seed Isolate (standardized to 10% 4-hydroxyisoleucine),
Phellodendron extract (standardized to 90% berberine),
Cinnamon Bark 20:1 extract (standardized for 16% flavonoids),
BMOV (Bis-Malto-Oxovanadium)

I start with this one because is the first GDA I tried,
I didn't have comparison with other products when I started using this one.

The very first thing that you notice with this product is a good dose of
Na-R-Ala (250mg) for each cap which makes it a good deal overall just for that.
That's pretty much the main ingredient and this product rely mostly on NaRala
for its partitioning effects, you also see Barberine and Cinnamon Bark in the proprietary blend
which are also two very good ingredients, I like but you need to watch because
this one has BMOV in it which has in this form some toxicity and it's a good idea to cycle it.


But lables and ingredients say only that much, effectiveness of a sup
is more often (in my experience) a good formula more than a number of
ingredients that are good on their own on paper.


** Among the three contenders I find Glycobol the LEAST potent of the bunch,
in term of body comp and long term effects. **


Which can be good or bad, depends on what you're after.
Dosing protocol with this one was 1cp 20min before a meal
containing 10gr of carbs (remember? I'm a low carber and
I use GDA differently from most people)
Being a life-time low carber it must be said that I'm very sensitive to carbs,
my insulin sensitivity is super high.
So evevn with such a small dose of carbs I never had any problems, never felt light-headed
with it and the best thing about this product is the even with a very small meal, with lil carbs
you get some "food pump" which is nice.
A couple of things I noticed tho' is that first, the effect last not more than an hour,
and second that it got lost in with long term use.


I dosed it in my refeed at 2cps with about 80gr of carbs, no fats and lil protein,
and I noticed NO change in pumps nor any other effect compared to 1 cap,
not right away after the meal, not in the long run in terms of body comp.
This is why I say this one is the least potent, because of course effects
have been different with the other products.


In terms of body comp (during several weeks of use),
while at first it seemed to help me staying lean I have to say
I noticed no difference when stop using it. This is an important part.


I never had stomach problems with it like someone reported.
So, overall it's a good product, Na-rala is a great antioxidant, I used it as standalone (Na-rala)
and I didn't notice the "food pump" so that's definitely something that Gbol formula does, not only Na-Rala.
So conclusion is, I wouldn't say it does much for body comp, but it can be used with small meals
without problems, even with lil-to no carbs and the "food pump" is nice,
plus you definitely have the benefits from Na-rala.
More details will be added when i get to the others, can't give everything away at once

[AaronJP1]

Damn nice review

[itzDodge]

Na-R-ALA is really nice just for general health

[LikeMike]

I'm in!