I feel this needs to be posted - Me, My Brain, and ALCAR
05-17-2012 10:39 AM
I've really been interested in the 'racetams lately. Only thing bothering me is they seem so hit or miss for people. I'd be pretty upset to buy a tub and be one of the people that don't notice anything.
Did SNS discontinue Piracetam or is it just OOS? Any plans on any other racetams?
05-17-2012 10:50 AM
You don't need to spend a ton of money on a large amount. You can buy high quality racetams on Amazon or Ebay in bulk powder. They take some playing around with to get it right. For Ani, I read on here by a couple people that it doesn't need to be taken with food- it most certainly does. I didn't realize that until I researched further and saw that this is recommended, and then I saw the full effects. I just ordered Piracetam to put in the stack because Ani is so overwhelming with anti-anxiety properties, that I don't want to introduce something stronger yet. I want to get the cognitive benefits from piracetam and see how they gel. The last thing I want is to ruin the clear, relaxing feeling that Ani gives by adding something with an edge.
05-17-2012 11:52 AM
Headaches while on ALCAR or a racetam are a sign of choline deficiency.
05-17-2012 02:16 PM
I thought I had read ALCAR was a acetlycholine precursor?
05-17-2012 04:53 PM
Never heard of headaches from anyone taking alcar. In fact, a little research will tell you that if you are taking racetams and alcar, you don't need another choline source.
05-17-2012 07:09 PM
A little research and a lot of personal experience has shown me the opposite. Racetams speed up the use of choline/acetylcholine in the brain. It is not uncommon for users, self included, to start having headaches, lethargy etc from racetam use until concurrent choline supplementation is initiated. Sides while using ALCAR can be from a variety of things depending on the user. I've had colleagues respond poorly to ALCAR who probably just didn't need the acetylcholine boost. They ended up way too hyped up, sweating and anxious. No noot is perfect for everyone despite this board's love affair with ALCAR.
05-17-2012 09:57 PM
Maybe I worded it wrong because I didn't mean it to sound like Alcar was the only or even the preferred choline source with racetams.
Your comment about people reacting badly with alcar is exactly why I would recommend starting low and working up. I would be the guy sweating my ass off and being uncomfortable at 2g, but 500mg is so perfect.
05-18-2012 02:11 PM
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Good read below.
Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
I took some Alcar this morning.
IntJ Vitam Nutr Res. 2005 Jan;75(1):3-9.
Free and total carnitine concentrations in pig plasmaafter oral ingestion of various L-carnitine compounds.
Eder K, Felgner J, Becker K, Kluge H.
Instituteof Nutritional Sciences, Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg, Emil-Abderhalden-Strasse26, 06108 Halle/Saale, Germany. email@example.com
Thisstudy was undertaken to investigate the bioavailability of various L-carnitineesters (acetyl-L-carnitine and lauroyl-L-carnitine) and salts (L-carnitineL-tartrate, L-carnitine fumarate, L-carnitine magnesium citrate) relative tobase of free L-carnitine. Six groups of five or six piglets each wereadministered orally a single dose of 40 mg L-carnitine equivalents/kg bodyweight of each of those L-carnitine compounds. A seventh group served as acontrol. Free and total plasma carnitine concentrations were determined 1, 2,3.5, 7, 24, and 32 hours after administration of the single dose.Area-under-the-curve (AUC) values were calculated to assess the bioavailabilityof the L-carnitine compounds. AUC values, calculated for the time intervalbetween 0 and 32 hours, for both free and total carnitine were similar for baseof free L-carnitine and the three L-carnitine salts (L-carnitine L-tartrate,L-carnitine fumarate, L-carnitine magnesium citrate) while those of the twoesters (acetyl-L-carnitine, lauroyl-L-carnitine) were lower. Administration ofL-carnitine L-tartrate yielded a higher plasma free carnitine AUC value for thetime interval between 0 and 3.5 hours than administration of the othercompounds. The data of this study suggest that L-carnitine salts have a similarbioavailability to that of free L-carnitine while L-carnitine esters have alower one. The study also suggests that L-carnitine L-tartrate is absorbedfaster than the other L-carnitine compounds.
05-18-2012 06:01 PM
Kisaj- no worries, just comparing notes. I think each choline source behaves very differently. I find using choline citrate or tartarate provides a more predictable responds than the ALCARS. The latter definitely is more potent, but some undesirable effects come with it for me.
I've been dabbling with Acetyl-L-Carnitine Fumarate lately. Seems to a bit more physical energy rather than mental...but also disrupts my sleep at anything over 1g per day.
05-18-2012 07:23 PM
Our Piracetam was only a single-run item, so whatever was available at the time of the initial production was it. I haven't heard of any of our Piracetam being in stock anywhere in the past 8+ months.
Originally Posted by blacklac
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05-18-2012 09:29 PM
Seeing as Piracetam is back is it possible you guys will make another run of it?
Originally Posted by antihero
05-19-2012 12:14 AM
Piracetam is common, why would there only be one run of it?
05-19-2012 12:50 AM
Probably because at the time the FDA sent out a bunch of warning letters to companies making it and they stopped making it to avoid legal troubles. I'm not positive on that though, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally Posted by kisaj
05-19-2012 10:39 AM
I was going to post this in the nootropics thread, but this one is more active. An interesting thing I noticed, and have read that this is somewhat common when I began researching nootropics, is the slight sense of arrogance or ****iness I feel since starting these. It really came to light when I added Piracetam to the stack, but my wife even made a comment about me correcting her or other people. I feel this constant sense of clarity and confidence from being "with it" and I notice everything now about the way that people talk or act. It's something I am sure you get used to and it wanes, but to feel so mentally strong is a big confidence booster.
Piracetam is known as the weaker of the racetams, but while I think Aniracetam will always be part of my life now because of the anti-anxiety properties, Piracetam really is strong in the logical impact. I noticed this almost right away. I did add Alcar and Piracetam around the same time, so it is an added variable, but based on the info I know on Piracetam, it is this.
05-19-2012 12:46 PM
This thread is awesome. I've been steadily becoming more and more interested in nootropics as a whole. I'm going into my junior year of undergrad health science studies and the idea of trying out nootropics for a little bit more awareness, added focus, and an increase in memory is becoming hard to resist. Also if they can add in other benefits to overall wellbeing its even harder to purchase other supplements over them.
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05-21-2012 06:32 PM
Does anyone have any experience using Alcar while on SSRIs ??? I take 15 mg Paxil daily and I could really use a boost in overall cognitive function. I just dont feel nearly as sharp or able to retain info like I used too..
05-23-2012 08:44 PM
Just checking in...are you still taking 1-2g per day? How are you dosing it during the day?
Just got my bottle today. Looking forward to trying it. Also, as someone who has about 4-6 lucid dreams a year, hoping that this stuff will increase the frequency!
Originally Posted by mr.cooper69
05-23-2012 08:56 PM
You were the one who turned me onto ALCAR a while ago with my body building stack. I continue to take it everyday and continue to order more every month, it's great stuff. You are the best coop.
05-24-2012 01:35 AM
I am taking 2g/day. On off days, 1 split it 1 AM, 1 midday. On workout days, I take 2g preworkout.
Originally Posted by Est1969
No problem man, the stuff rocks!
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05-24-2012 11:49 AM
Oh Coop I love you!
You're so smart!
Did I mention how jacked you are? You're jacked!
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