I feel this needs to be posted - Me, My Brain, and ALCAR
- 05-16-2012, 01:25 PM
- 05-16-2012, 01:31 PM
When do you start to notice effects from ALCAR? I'm only on day 2, but so far 1000mg doses give me incredibly faint headaches and 1500mg is a more noticeable mild headache. First day, I did 1000mg x 2 and this morning I dosed 1500mg (both morning shots were with 200mg SAN Na-R-ALA) and I will skip my PM dose... Course I plan on getting drunk tonight. Golf league night. Maybe I'll put down 750mg-1g anyways. I think I will drop to 500mg x 2 tomorrow and see how that works. Can't say I feel a think, mentally, but I know it will be subtle and may not be right away. I actually have quite a brain fog today... Been thinking of getting back on morning coffee lately... :/ Been off that for about 3 months.
I have read someone else complain of fishy odors with high doses of ALCAR also, but he found out through friends. :/ lol. I believe he was mega dosing though, like 10g/day or something. I have also read Chloropyll can help with odors, but not specifically that. Might be worth a shot. I'd assume it will go away of its own once you stop anyway.
- 05-16-2012, 01:54 PM
Since my semester is done I will risk this thing of ALCAR I bought that gave me headaches. I think it might be D contaminated, I don't know.
I used another brands ALCAR before with no issues, this NOW one is doing something to my head. I will even take a gram right now actually.
05-16-2012, 03:15 PM
05-16-2012, 04:17 PM
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
05-16-2012, 07:38 PM
05-16-2012, 10:07 PM
Thanks, I will try that next time. I ended up only taking another 750mg before going out to the course. I'll see if I can tolerate 2g before next week. I'm using Primaforce bulk powder, by the way.
05-17-2012, 01:38 AM
So I'm just ordered so ALCAR, I tried it before and liked it but this thread made me order some more
A couple of questions: should I take it everyday on empty stomach at the same time everyday or only before workouts? And is 1g good to start with?
Thanks guys for starting this thread!
05-17-2012, 01:44 AM
05-17-2012, 08:33 AM
I just added this to my nootropic stack a few days ago and see a HUGE spike in mental energy for 5-6 hours after taking 500mg. For me, it has to be taken on an empty stomach or it takes hours to kick in. If I take it first thing upon waking, I feel it in about 20-30 min and it just wakes my brain up. I stopped drinking coffee for the last 3 days because I just don't need it to get out ofinducing sleep fog. We'll see if that lasts. 2g a day would have me feeling insane. I think this is something you need to experiment with, starting with a low dose and working up, which I would recommend rather than starting so high.
500mg at wake up
Choline (usually alpha-gpc) 300mg
Rosea 120mg 4% rosavin
-all with a fatty meal
I only take the 500mg of alcar in the morning to kick start my self and then I take this little stack again at 2pm. I will feel myself start to wind down around 8-9pm, just in time to shut my mind off for bed in a couple hours. It is perfect and has made such an incredible difference at work and in general when talking to people.
05-17-2012, 10:39 AM
I've really been interested in the 'racetams lately. Only thing bothering me is they seem so hit or miss for people. I'd be pretty upset to buy a tub and be one of the people that don't notice anything.
Did SNS discontinue Piracetam or is it just OOS? Any plans on any other racetams?
05-17-2012, 10:50 AM
You don't need to spend a ton of money on a large amount. You can buy high quality racetams on Amazon or Ebay in bulk powder. They take some playing around with to get it right. For Ani, I read on here by a couple people that it doesn't need to be taken with food- it most certainly does. I didn't realize that until I researched further and saw that this is recommended, and then I saw the full effects. I just ordered Piracetam to put in the stack because Ani is so overwhelming with anti-anxiety properties, that I don't want to introduce something stronger yet. I want to get the cognitive benefits from piracetam and see how they gel. The last thing I want is to ruin the clear, relaxing feeling that Ani gives by adding something with an edge.
05-17-2012, 11:52 AM
05-17-2012, 02:16 PM
05-17-2012, 04:53 PM
Never heard of headaches from anyone taking alcar. In fact, a little research will tell you that if you are taking racetams and alcar, you don't need another choline source.
05-17-2012, 07:09 PM
A little research and a lot of personal experience has shown me the opposite. Racetams speed up the use of choline/acetylcholine in the brain. It is not uncommon for users, self included, to start having headaches, lethargy etc from racetam use until concurrent choline supplementation is initiated. Sides while using ALCAR can be from a variety of things depending on the user. I've had colleagues respond poorly to ALCAR who probably just didn't need the acetylcholine boost. They ended up way too hyped up, sweating and anxious. No noot is perfect for everyone despite this board's love affair with ALCAR.
05-17-2012, 09:57 PM
Maybe I worded it wrong because I didn't mean it to sound like Alcar was the only or even the preferred choline source with racetams.
Your comment about people reacting badly with alcar is exactly why I would recommend starting low and working up. I would be the guy sweating my ass off and being uncomfortable at 2g, but 500mg is so perfect.
05-18-2012, 02:11 PM
I took some Alcar this morning.
IntJ Vitam Nutr Res. 2005 Jan;75(1):3-9.
Free and total carnitine concentrations in pig plasmaafter oral ingestion of various L-carnitine compounds.
Eder K, Felgner J, Becker K, Kluge H.
Instituteof Nutritional Sciences, Martin-Luther-University Halle-Wittenberg, Emil-Abderhalden-Strasse26, 06108 Halle/Saale, Germany. email@example.com
Thisstudy was undertaken to investigate the bioavailability of various L-carnitineesters (acetyl-L-carnitine and lauroyl-L-carnitine) and salts (L-carnitineL-tartrate, L-carnitine fumarate, L-carnitine magnesium citrate) relative tobase of free L-carnitine. Six groups of five or six piglets each wereadministered orally a single dose of 40 mg L-carnitine equivalents/kg bodyweight of each of those L-carnitine compounds. A seventh group served as acontrol. Free and total plasma carnitine concentrations were determined 1, 2,3.5, 7, 24, and 32 hours after administration of the single dose.Area-under-the-curve (AUC) values were calculated to assess the bioavailabilityof the L-carnitine compounds. AUC values, calculated for the time intervalbetween 0 and 32 hours, for both free and total carnitine were similar for baseof free L-carnitine and the three L-carnitine salts (L-carnitine L-tartrate,L-carnitine fumarate, L-carnitine magnesium citrate) while those of the twoesters (acetyl-L-carnitine, lauroyl-L-carnitine) were lower. Administration ofL-carnitine L-tartrate yielded a higher plasma free carnitine AUC value for thetime interval between 0 and 3.5 hours than administration of the othercompounds. The data of this study suggest that L-carnitine salts have a similarbioavailability to that of free L-carnitine while L-carnitine esters have alower one. The study also suggests that L-carnitine L-tartrate is absorbedfaster than the other L-carnitine compounds.
05-18-2012, 06:01 PM
Kisaj- no worries, just comparing notes. I think each choline source behaves very differently. I find using choline citrate or tartarate provides a more predictable responds than the ALCARS. The latter definitely is more potent, but some undesirable effects come with it for me.
I've been dabbling with Acetyl-L-Carnitine Fumarate lately. Seems to a bit more physical energy rather than mental...but also disrupts my sleep at anything over 1g per day.
05-18-2012, 07:23 PM
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05-18-2012, 09:29 PM
05-19-2012, 12:14 AM
05-19-2012, 12:50 AM
05-19-2012, 10:39 AM
I was going to post this in the nootropics thread, but this one is more active. An interesting thing I noticed, and have read that this is somewhat common when I began researching nootropics, is the slight sense of arrogance or ****iness I feel since starting these. It really came to light when I added Piracetam to the stack, but my wife even made a comment about me correcting her or other people. I feel this constant sense of clarity and confidence from being "with it" and I notice everything now about the way that people talk or act. It's something I am sure you get used to and it wanes, but to feel so mentally strong is a big confidence booster.
Piracetam is known as the weaker of the racetams, but while I think Aniracetam will always be part of my life now because of the anti-anxiety properties, Piracetam really is strong in the logical impact. I noticed this almost right away. I did add Alcar and Piracetam around the same time, so it is an added variable, but based on the info I know on Piracetam, it is this.
05-19-2012, 12:46 PM
This thread is awesome. I've been steadily becoming more and more interested in nootropics as a whole. I'm going into my junior year of undergrad health science studies and the idea of trying out nootropics for a little bit more awareness, added focus, and an increase in memory is becoming hard to resist. Also if they can add in other benefits to overall wellbeing its even harder to purchase other supplements over them.
05-21-2012, 06:32 PM
Does anyone have any experience using Alcar while on SSRIs ??? I take 15 mg Paxil daily and I could really use a boost in overall cognitive function. I just dont feel nearly as sharp or able to retain info like I used too..
05-23-2012, 08:44 PM
Just checking in...are you still taking 1-2g per day? How are you dosing it during the day?
Just got my bottle today. Looking forward to trying it. Also, as someone who has about 4-6 lucid dreams a year, hoping that this stuff will increase the frequency!
05-23-2012, 08:56 PM
You were the one who turned me onto ALCAR a while ago with my body building stack. I continue to take it everyday and continue to order more every month, it's great stuff. You are the best coop.
05-24-2012, 01:35 AM
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
05-24-2012, 11:49 AM
Oh Coop I love you!
You're so smart!
Did I mention how jacked you are? You're jacked!
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